All sales are final.
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✭✭✭✭With all the amazing changes that have happened lately and more coming down the pipeline, I think you would fight right in as a ZOS employee.1 -
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✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »
LOL, no it doesn't. It takes 2+ hours now to check every trader if you are looking for an obscure or hard-to-get item. At the very least, guild traders should be centrally searchable. If they finally implemented this search function, they should also let you put a deposit (10% or whatever) to hold the item for an hour so you have time to travel to the trader.
That would circumvent one of the protections that the current system offers the players. If you could search centrally and lock the items, one could simply search for all the cornflower, put their deposit down, and stop anyone who was 2 minutes behind them from acquiring any at all.
"Works fine for me" does not equal "works fine". Clearly, judging from "these ppl with the AH threads", it doesn't "work fine" for everyone, not even close. Trading is very unlikely to change now, but these threads are just as legitimate as the dozens of "nerf this" threads that routinely come up.
That's an incredibly low standard to measure something by.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Personally, what would really make the current system better is requiring the servers to track every item I buy and keep a running 10 or 11 day countdown on when I can resell it.
Especially the hundred intricate items I bought to decon, the mats I bought for my own use in future writs, and those super cheap motifs I bought during the Anniversary festival figuring prices will go up slightly in another 6 months.
Oh, and it won't even cut down on the overall profit margin, just the immediate profits of the reseller. Any reseller patient enough to wait two weeks can carry on business like usual.
Yes, this will definitely make the trading system better. All the wasted effort is 100% worth it, since players can't be expected to check average prices for certain items in their guilds before selling it. Its dedinitely won't have any harmful inpact on the servers whatsoever.
(No, I don't currently use addons for selling or buying on PC.)
At best, this would only have a measurable effect during the times you see obvious price gouging, like during the first hours of an event or newly released content. Even then, everyone sensible knows that prices will plummet if you wait a couple days to a couple of weeks. Impatient players always pay more.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Agenericname wrote: »
I don't know if you're being serious, but I was. It's kind of annoying how some people try to silence contrary opinions. Even if you don't favour a global AH, do you honestly believe the subject should be taboo? Just today in another thread someone said this was a settled matter because the devs said so, but when pressed for a quote replied "oh some dev told me personally". Let people discuss, and vent their frustration, and if it doesn't interest you, just move right along.2 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Personally, what would really make the current system better is requiring the servers to track every item I buy and keep a running 10 or 11 day countdown on when I can resell it.
Especially the hundred intricate items I bought to decon, the mats I bought for my own use in future writs, and those super cheap motifs I bought during the Anniversary festival figuring prices will go up slightly in another 6 months.
Oh, and it won't even cut down on the overall profit margin, just the immediate profits of the reseller. Any reseller patient enough to wait two weeks can carry on business like usual.
Yes, this will definitely make the trading system better. All the wasted effort is 100% worth it, since players can't be expected to check average prices for certain items in their guilds before selling it. Its dedinitely won't have any harmful inpact on the servers whatsoever.
(No, I don't currently use addons for selling or buying on PC.)
At best, this would only have a measurable effect during the times you see obvious price gouging, like during the first hours of an event or newly released content. Even then, everyone sensible knows that prices will plummet if you wait a couple days to a couple of weeks. Impatient players always pay more.
it sounds like it would be an effective measure to combat what some coin as "market manipulation" when a player buys low and then sells high. So it's an interesting idea that would likely be effective. Therefore I wouldn't oppose it, since this seems to be a concern for so many players even if I myself am indifferent on the matter.
HOw do you check average prices without addons by the way? Do you really run around checking dozens and dozens of guild stores till you find enough of them selling a rare motif and then average out the price?
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I don't know if you're being serious, but I was. It's kind of annoying how some people try to silence contrary opinions. Even if you don't favour a global AH, do you honestly believe the subject should be taboo? Just today in another thread someone said this was a settled matter because the devs said so, but when pressed for a quote replied "oh some dev told me personally". Let people discuss, and vent their frustration, and if it doesn't interest you, just move right along.
No, lol, what I'm saying is that there are so many ridiculous nerf threads that I wouldn't compare anything to them.0 -
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✭One reason i'd love to see centralized Auction Houses is because it really wastes my time having to go from Trader to Trader all around Tamriel to find an item I am looking for. Price Gouging and what have you is annoying, but not nearly as annoying as having to waste time with tons of loading screens hopping zone to zone to check different traders.PS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc2 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭kathandira wrote: »One reason i'd love to see centralized Auction Houses is because it really wastes my time having to go from Trader to Trader all around Tamriel to find an item I am looking for. Price Gouging and what have you is annoying, but not nearly as annoying as having to waste time with tons of loading screens hopping zone to zone to check different traders.
Yeah that's what really annoys me as well.
I personally don't really care about the "flipping". I've always considered if people want to risk their funds buying up everything in the hopes of scoring a profit later they are probably due some money for their efforts. But it wouldn't bother me to see the practice disappear either, especially since so many players seem to abhor the practice and use it as an argument against globalizing the market.
But expecting players to dive through dozens of load screens (which are lengthy on this game) in an attempt to find some rare motif for sale (or to do the same to figure out how much to sell one for) just isn't reasonable in my opinion. Which is why so many players understandably download addons that shows them where they are or were for sale at. Because even if they are already bought by the time you get there - it still saves you an insane amount of time to at least know which ones to go looking for.Edited by Jeremy on October 7, 2019 5:20PM0 -
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Yeah that's what really annoys me as well.
I personally don't really care about the "flipping". I've always considered if people want to risk their funds buying up everything in the hopes of scoring a profit later they are probably due some money for their efforts. But it wouldn't bother me to see the practice disappear either, especially since so many players seem to abhor the practice and use it as an argument against globalizing the market.
But expecting players to dive through dozens of load screens (which are lengthy on this game) in an attempt to find some rare motif for sale (or to do the same to figure out how much to sell one for) just isn't reasonable in my opinion. Which is why so many players understandably download addons that shows them where they are or were for sale at. Because even if they are already bought by the time you get there - it still saves you an insane amount of time to at least know which ones to go looking for.
I'm sadly a Console player who doesn't have add ons = /PS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc0 -
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I don't know if you're being serious, but I was. It's kind of annoying how some people try to silence contrary opinions. Even if you don't favour a global AH, do you honestly believe the subject should be taboo? Just today in another thread someone said this was a settled matter because the devs said so, but when pressed for a quote replied "oh some dev told me personally". Let people discuss, and vent their frustration, and if it doesn't interest you, just move right along.
Considering the player saying that is Nestor, I have no trouble beliving them.
Especially since that falls well in line with ZOS' desire for something other than an auction house - which was true from before launch, well before even the current guild trader system was implemented, and we can find quotes to that effect. Then you add the recent updates to the guild system like Guild Finder and Multibidding, and what we see is that ZOS is doubling down on the Guild Trader system, not looking at changing to a totally different auction house system.
This thread is part of just another monthly round of auction house threads. Use the search function, and you'll see the same threads with the same arguments, over and over again. We had a big poll about it in June, same arguments, same result. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/479475/poll-would-you-like-a-global-ah-as-in-other-games/Edited by VaranisArano on October 7, 2019 5:29PM1 -
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✭✭I can't believe you'd come on to these forums requesting a change anyway. You must be new. These forums are about Nerf request and then the follow up complaints when the Nerfs are implemented. Anything else is rude.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭kathandira wrote: »
I'm sadly a Console player who doesn't have add ons = /
I don't envy you. ; ;
Console players have my condolences for having to deal with this game's guild trader system without the assistance of addons. I frankly don't even know how ya'll put up with it. Because even though I don't use addons myself - I'll fully admit I benefit from the presence of addons that have largely globalized the market on the PC and lead to a reliable price history that enables you to price your items competitively and to sell from rural traders. If not for addons - I doubt any of that would be possible. You would probably have to join some "trading guild" that requires ridiculous dues and commitment merely to reliably sell your items.Edited by Jeremy on October 7, 2019 5:31PM1 -
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✭Guild trader system is broken. Always has been, always will be. As long as there is the guild trader system there will be auction house posts. Get use to it.2 -
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I don't envy you. ; ;
Console players have my condolences for having to deal with this game's guild trader system without the assistance of addons. I frankly don't even know how ya'll put up with it. Because even though I don't use addons myself - I'll fully admit I benefit from the presence of addons that have largely globalized the market on the PC and lead to a reliable price history that enables you to price your items competitively and to sell from rural traders. If not for addons - I doubt any of that would be possible.
I basically try to avoid using Traders at all costs. And when I do use them, i'm sorta forced to pay a "Convenience Tax" if I want to avoid travelling all over the world to get better prices.PS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭kathandira wrote: »
I basically try to avoid using Traders at all costs. And when I do use them, i'm sorta forced to pay a "Convenience Tax" if I want to avoid travelling all over the world to get better prices.
I don't really blame you. If I was in your position - I would have probably told the guild trader system to kiss my ___. Because really it's only the addons on PC that enable small or none committal guilds to effectively participate on the market.Edited by Jeremy on October 7, 2019 5:37PM0 -
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I don't know if you're being serious, but I was. It's kind of annoying how some people try to silence contrary opinions. Even if you don't favour a global AH, do you honestly believe the subject should be taboo? Just today in another thread someone said this was a settled matter because the devs said so, but when pressed for a quote replied "oh some dev told me personally". Let people discuss, and vent their frustration, and if it doesn't interest you, just move right along.
Not to mention their posts have been very productive over the years.
If not for people airing their complaints with the guild trader system we'd probably be stuck with the original system - which was god awful.1 -
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✭✭How about a Global Search qol update?
Every item searched at any guild trader has the guild, & trader location next to item.
1. Throw the idea of best trader spots out the window for more convienent.
2. Item search is no longer such a time consuming nuisance.
3. Trade guilds can continue to do what they do.Edited by Wolfpaw on October 7, 2019 5:52PM2 -
Thorvik_Tyrson✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
Considering the player saying that is Nestor, I have no trouble beliving them.
Especially since that falls well in line with ZOS' desire for something other than an auction house - which was true from before launch, well before even the current guild trader system was implemented, and we can find quotes to that effect. Then you add the recent updates to the guild system like Guild Finder and Multibidding, and what we see is that ZOS is doubling down on the Guild Trader system, not looking at changing to a totally different auction house system.
This thread is part of just another monthly round of auction house threads. Use the search function, and you'll see the same threads with the same arguments, over and over again. We had a big poll about it in June, same arguments, same result. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/479475/poll-would-you-like-a-global-ah-as-in-other-games/
Sadly, there are things that could be done to improve the trader system without going to an AH, but the naysayers on the forums wont consider those changes either. I tried back in June to promote fixes to the trader system without trashing it. At this point, I've given up on trading and the trader system.1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How about a Global Search qol update?
Every item searched at any guild trader has the guild, & trader location next to item.
1. Throw the idea of best trader spots out the window for more convienent.
2. Item search is no longer such a time consuming nuisance.
3. Trade guilds can continue to do what they do.
That would be a great change. Couple this with a global price history the player could view and the system would largely be fine after that. New or casual players would likely still find it off-putting to have to join a guild to sell their items - but at least they could join small or none committal guilds and still be able sell their items assuming they priced them competitively. So that shouldn't be too much of a problem.Edited by Jeremy on October 7, 2019 6:01PM2 -
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✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »You wanna talk price gouging?
How about we start with the NPC grocer selling us carrots at 150 gold. PER CARROT.
Maybe if some of the basic goods weren't stupidly expensive we wouldn't have to shop the Guild Stores in the first place.
When a carrot in a Guild Store at 10 gold... 20 gold... even 50 gold is "cheap" compared to the alternative. <.<
And after you cook that carrot you're lucky to sell the meal for 1 gold.Spoiler. And the angel of the lord came unto me
Snatching me up from my place of slumber
And took me on high and higher still
Until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself
And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own Midwest
And as we descended cries of impending doom rose from the soil
One thousand nay a million voices full of fear
And terror possessed me then
And I begged Angel of the Lord what are these tortured screams?
And the angel said unto me
These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots!
You see, Reverend Maynard
Tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust
And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat
Like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared
"Hear me now, I have seen the light!
They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul!
Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!
Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus
https://youtu.be/DeOt8XdOUfU Edited by xxthir13enxx on October 7, 2019 6:01PM1 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Where are these ppl coming from with the AH threads lately. Leave it alone, trading system works fine the way it is. If you dont like it go play WoW.
It doesn't work fine, at all.
It works OK for sellers (in guilds) and for buyers who are looking to buy a single, slow-selling, fairly expensive item (like a piece of furniture, for example).
It does not work fine for buyers looking to buy multiple, fast-selling items, like crafting materials.
As most of the items have already sold by the time you get there and the only ones left are dramatically overpriced.
Meaning you have to spend hours scouring the stores, individually.
Quite often, you're better off just farming the items yourself.
That is a broken system.Edited by Tigerseye on October 7, 2019 6:16PM0 -
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✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Considering the player saying that is Nestor, I have no trouble beliving them.
Neither do I, but that is not really the point, is it?
No subject is ever "settled", or "closed".
Everyone has a right to their opinion and a right to express that opinion, on here.
I know that is annoying, if you want to sit it out, but feel you have to come on here and defend your position, yet again, but still.
Perhaps try to see it from both sides?
It's not like it's one of those situations where one group is trying to take away something, from another group, just out of spite.
There are valid points to be made, here and pros and cons on both sides.1 -
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✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »A carrot averages 6-8g in guild stores.
Does it really, though?
On PC EU, you look at TTC, or MM and the carrot may appear to average at that.
However, if you go on a carrot hunt, there is absolutely no guarantee that you will find your carrots for that price, or anything close to it.
Actually, I can't say for sure this is the case for carrots, as it is a long time since I bought any carrots (if ever), however it is certainly the case with other mats that I have tried to buy, in the past.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Agenericname wrote: »
That would circumvent one of the protections that the current system offers the players. If you could search centrally and lock the items, one could simply search for all the cornflower, put their deposit down, and stop anyone who was 2 minutes behind them from acquiring any at all.
That's an incredibly low standard to measure something by.
Who could afford to lose 10% of the selling price of all Cornflower in the guild stores just to troll?#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
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✭✭✭kathandira wrote: »One reason i'd love to see centralized Auction Houses is because it really wastes my time having to go from Trader to Trader all around Tamriel to find an item I am looking for. Price Gouging and what have you is annoying, but not nearly as annoying as having to waste time with tons of loading screens hopping zone to zone to check different traders.
Let me make a correction to your argument. Which is that you want a GAH so that you can save additional time. I make that correction because I want people on both sides acknowledge at the very least that the current system is used in an effort to save time and offer a convenience. Because the alternative is for you to farm whatever it is you are trying to buy. A GAH just makes it more convenient.
So I have an honest question for you and everyone else on here: How much of a premium would you pay for increased convenience? Both as a seller and a buyer?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭For a healthier competitive market we need to setup controls, price gouging is a common practice that has been complained about in many post from people who want a new AH trading system or others that mention that they don't like the bid system. One of the things ZOS could implement is that whatever gear, motif, food, writ, collectible and non ingredient is now bound to your account and you cannot resell it or make it bound for at least make it bound for a week and a half so that way the item is not part of the weekly sales for bids. What say you?
Might as well ask to get rid of Cyrodiil. There are people that think the best part of the game is the trading system and they spend a good part of their time looking for items to flip. If you don't like this particular part of the game you don't have to participate but you shouldn't take it away from those that enjoy it. These super traders put as much time into trading as trial guilds looking to get on the leader boards put into running trials. I know I will never make it on the leader boards but I don't want them removed from the game.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭How about a Global Search qol update?
Every item searched at any guild trader has the guild, & trader location next to item.
1. Throw the idea of best trader spots out the window for more convienent.
2. Item search is no longer such a time consuming nuisance.
3. Trade guilds can continue to do what they do.
I've advocated for a central board in each zone. The board would list the items for each trader in that one zone. It would not include price only location. This way people just wanting a rare item quick can easily find it. Players who want a bargain would have to spend time finding that bargain. Players that like flipping items could still do it though they might have a bit more competition.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
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Might as well ask to get rid of Cyrodiil. There are people that think the best part of the game is the trading system and they spend a good part of their time looking for items to flip. If you don't like this particular part of the game you don't have to participate but you shouldn't take it away from those that enjoy it. These super traders put as much time into trading as trial guilds looking to get on the leader boards put into running trials. I know I will never make it on the leader boards but I don't want them removed from the game.
Thank you. The economy is a massive metagame in ESO, the market works. Leave it be. I am not asking trials and vet dungeon be made easier so I can have all the skins and perfect gear, please stop asking the trade system to be made differently just so you do not have to work for real wealth or just to have cheap everything in the game.0 -
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✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »
Who could afford to lose 10% of the selling price of all Cornflower in the guild stores just to troll?
Why would they lose it? They could buy it, create an artificial scarcity, and resell it. It happens already but the barriers in place prevent it from being very efficient. This is effectively removing one of those barriers.0 -
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✭✭This is one of the worst ideas concerning guild traders I have ever seen. First of all, no one can price gouge you unless you let them and what is price gouging is really just an opinion. Second of all, there are players who enjoy searching for deals available at secondary trading areas then selling them at a profit at the busier areas. That is good and wise commerce. Shutting it down does not make sense.
Edit: forgot. OP's idea also prevents helping a friend with buying them some gear. It absolutely prevents that. What fool would hold onto the items for a week when the friend would have out leveled the gear.
And lets support the NPC vendor. That NPC selling carrots at such a high price has NPC children to feed. We are just not permitted to see the children for their safety.
that's the first thing that came to mind after reading the OP. sometimes I buy things for friends.
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