5.2.2 Stone Fist

Asgari

While it was a valiant effort it came up extremely short. The skill does not synergize at all still with stam dk play style.

Also the whopping 45 added damage it does each stack is a affected by battle spirit.

The fact it does abysmal damage and takes 3 hits for a stun is nothing any decent PvP player will use.

J18696

I feel like people's issue with the skill isn't what it does but how it looks so nothing changed still feels like garbage to use and looks like trash

MartiniDaniels

Nox, claw, fist, fist, fist, leap, executioner, I guess devs have something like this in mind.

Hashtag_

The devs are completely missing the mark and will continue to try to push this but stamDKs don’t want a ranged spammable. Range stam is a meme plAystyle

MartiniDaniels

Hashtag_ wrote: »

The devs are completely missing the mark and will continue to try to push this but stamDKs don’t want a ranged spammable. Range stam is a meme plAystyle

We need troll polymorph for stamDK, I think.

GeorgeBlack

Patch after patch I see DK getting nerfed and Zos giving them useless "improvements"

Asgari

They literally had the change to make it an actual fist that could have been a Stone covered in poison that does physical damage and does some cool secondary effect with poisons active.

But instead we get a super duper cool battle spirit affected dmg buff that isn’t 45 but 22.5 and they don’t do halves so it’s 22.

Lokey0024

I'm kind of stoked molten armernment will hit hard on Stam builds. I'll use stonefist as a supplemental damage after DS lands instead of a gap closer or as an opener with lethal arrow or heavy attack>PI>Stonefist swap crit charge

Does stonefist stun thru block? No one has mentioned it one way or another

Asgari

Lokey0024 wrote: »

I'm kind of stoked molten armernment will hit hard on Stam builds. I'll use stonefist as a supplemental damage after DS lands instead of a gap closer or as an opener with lethal arrow or heavy attack>PI>Stonefist swap crit charge

Does stonefist stun thru block? No one has mentioned it one way or another

No it does not

redlink1979

Still trying to push this ridiculous change into live... Stubborn af imo.

ketsparrowhawk

Visual issues aside, the 3-stack stun is a bad idea. More than anything, that will be what keeps me from using it in PVP. I think that more often than not, I'll just end up giving enemies CC immunity when I don't really want to, hence making it difficult to land my combo. Would rather just use the new dizzy + turn evil so that I have more control over what my abilities do and when.

If we absolutely must have yet another stacking mechanic, make it do something besides stun. Minor fracture + a snare? Or even just immobilization would be better than a stun.

Davadin

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

Visual issues aside, the 3-stack stun is a bad idea. More than anything, that will be what keeps me from using it in PVP. I think that more often than not, I'll just end up giving enemies CC immunity when I don't really want to, hence making it difficult to land my combo. Would rather just use the new dizzy + turn evil so that I have more control over what my abilities do and when.

If we absolutely must have yet another stacking mechanic, make it do something besides stun. Minor fracture + a snare? Or even just immobilization would be better than a stun.

this.

why stun? we already have Fossilize on the same skill tree. i'd rather go off-balance or snare, no stacking required. Immobilization would be even better if we're going to keep the stack to 3.

EpicPwnBacon

Stonefist needs to be a 5 meter melee spammable, I would much rather punch with a fist of stone than lob some poop rock.

Davadin

Increased the damage taken per stack of Stagger with the Stone Giant morph to 45, up from 25, to offset (and slightly buff) the adjustments to the stacks. Please note that while this number may look small, it works with everything. Yes, everything. Like, all the damage.

thats from the notes.

i dont get it though. sorry im off sick i havent tried in PTS yet.

so I stack it 3x, theoritically i get 135 damage extra wep damage then? how exactly does this work? 135 extra damage from skills/abilities? from light/heavy attacks?

ketsparrowhawk

Davadin wrote: »

Increased the damage taken per stack of Stagger with the Stone Giant morph to 45, up from 25, to offset (and slightly buff) the adjustments to the stacks. Please note that while this number may look small, it works with everything. Yes, everything. Like, all the damage.

thats from the notes.

i dont get it though. sorry im off sick i havent tried in PTS yet.

so I stack it 3x, theoritically i get 135 damage extra wep damage then? how exactly does this work? 135 extra damage from skills/abilities? from light/heavy attacks?

My understanding is that all attacks the target takes (including from other players), will deal 135 extra damage points.

Iskiab

Davadin wrote: »

Increased the damage taken per stack of Stagger with the Stone Giant morph to 45, up from 25, to offset (and slightly buff) the adjustments to the stacks. Please note that while this number may look small, it works with everything. Yes, everything. Like, all the damage.

thats from the notes.

i dont get it though. sorry im off sick i havent tried in PTS yet.

so I stack it 3x, theoritically i get 135 damage extra wep damage then? how exactly does this work? 135 extra damage from skills/abilities? from light/heavy attacks?

I don’t think it’s weapon damage but haven’t been on PTS. In Rift there used to be an ability tanks would put on mobs that was really powerful (forgot the name) and it added a flat damage amount onto every attack that hit the mob.

I might have misread it but that’s how I read the ability. Every time the mob is hit by a direct damage attack they take +x damage. Get 12 people light weaving the same target and it’s a big amount of damage.

asneakybanana

Question @Asgari can you have multiple stone fist debuffs on someone at once? If theres 4 DKs in group running stonefist can you make it so they take the increased damage 4 times?

Lughlongarm

Stack up to 3 times regardless to the number of DK'S.
Will work with every tick of damage(dot or direct).
This not a buff for the caster but rather a debuff for the target, and it will work on all damage sources, not only your own.

asneakybanana

Lughlongarm wrote: »

Stack up to 3 times regardless to the number of DK'S.
Will work with every tick of damage(dot or direct).
This not a buff for the caster but rather a debuff for the target, and it will work on all damage sources, not only your own.

Okay so it isn't like curse or PoTL or something where you can have multiple debuffs on the target because I could imagine that being very broken. 8 DKs in a PVE raid all keeping up 135 damage and all running dot heavy builds, could easily have been like 50-60k dps increase for the group.

Lughlongarm

asneakybanana wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

Stack up to 3 times regardless to the number of DK'S.
Will work with every tick of damage(dot or direct).
This not a buff for the caster but rather a debuff for the target, and it will work on all damage sources, not only your own.

Okay so it isn't like curse or PoTL or something where you can have multiple debuffs on the target because I could imagine that being very broken. 8 DKs in a PVE raid all keeping up 135 damage and all running dot heavy builds, could easily have been like 50-60k dps increase for the group.

Nop, it will stack as one debuff.
It is also true for the stun effect. If 3 DK's will use it on the same time frame, the target will get stunned.

Xvorg

Davadin wrote: »

Increased the damage taken per stack of Stagger with the Stone Giant morph to 45, up from 25, to offset (and slightly buff) the adjustments to the stacks. Please note that while this number may look small, it works with everything. Yes, everything. Like, all the damage.

thats from the notes.

i dont get it though. sorry im off sick i havent tried in PTS yet.

so I stack it 3x, theoritically i get 135 damage extra wep damage then? how exactly does this work? 135 extra damage from skills/abilities? from light/heavy attacks?

135 dmg on each attack, including dot ticks.

I don't think it's that bad. In fact it makes me want to build a dw stamDK again. The stun + ruffian seems quite strong + axe bleed, procs

Xvorg

Xvorg wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Increased the damage taken per stack of Stagger with the Stone Giant morph to 45, up from 25, to offset (and slightly buff) the adjustments to the stacks. Please note that while this number may look small, it works with everything. Yes, everything. Like, all the damage.

thats from the notes.

i dont get it though. sorry im off sick i havent tried in PTS yet.

so I stack it 3x, theoritically i get 135 damage extra wep damage then? how exactly does this work? 135 extra damage from skills/abilities? from light/heavy attacks?

135 dmg on each attack, including dot ticks.

I don't think it's that bad. In fact it makes me want to build a dw stamDK again. The stun + ruffian seems quite strong + axe bleed, procs

Oh, I forgot to test if DW sword increase the 45 points dmg too.

Asgari

Davadin wrote: »

Increased the damage taken per stack of Stagger with the Stone Giant morph to 45, up from 25, to offset (and slightly buff) the adjustments to the stacks. Please note that while this number may look small, it works with everything. Yes, everything. Like, all the damage.

thats from the notes.

i dont get it though. sorry im off sick i havent tried in PTS yet.

so I stack it 3x, theoritically i get 135 damage extra wep damage then? how exactly does this work? 135 extra damage from skills/abilities? from light/heavy attacks?

Its technically not 135 dmg because the 3rd hit consumes the stack when you knock them down

its actually 45 /2 = 22.5 TOOL TIP dmg .. its not weapon dmg .. it increases how much dmg the skill does by 22.5 in PVP lol

Davadin

Asgari wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Increased the damage taken per stack of Stagger with the Stone Giant morph to 45, up from 25, to offset (and slightly buff) the adjustments to the stacks. Please note that while this number may look small, it works with everything. Yes, everything. Like, all the damage.

thats from the notes.

i dont get it though. sorry im off sick i havent tried in PTS yet.

so I stack it 3x, theoritically i get 135 damage extra wep damage then? how exactly does this work? 135 extra damage from skills/abilities? from light/heavy attacks?

Its technically not 135 dmg because the 3rd hit consumes the stack when you knock them down

see... this is my concern. 135 well never actually happen, and 90 will happen at 5 sec at most.

like, why can't the damage debuff stays extra long?

i say it should be 135 after stack of 3, then it'll last for 10 (or 20??) sec.

its actually 45 /2 = 22.5 TOOL TIP dmg .. its not weapon dmg .. it increases how much dmg the skill does by 22.5 in PVP lol

yah that's another story for CP Cyrodiil.......

Machete

Alright so, cool twist. Since Toxic Whip is off the table, let's negotiate. 5 years in now Stam DK is getting a spammable. Stone fist? Sure, why not. But make it melee and make it hit harder. Who cares about the stun and no one uses the heal of stone fist. Rework it, make it unique, give it identity. Nothing says "Brute" like giving a Rodney Cain beatdown with a fist made of obsidian. Food forth thought!

Ragnarock41

They had one job, and a very easy one at that. Make stamwhip and profit. Shouldn't have been that difficult to figure out.

SipofMaim

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

Visual issues aside, the 3-stack stun is a bad idea. More than anything, that will be what keeps me from using it in PVP. I think that more often than not, I'll just end up giving enemies CC immunity when I don't really want to, hence making it difficult to land my combo. Would rather just use the new dizzy + turn evil so that I have more control over what my abilities do and when.

If we absolutely must have yet another stacking mechanic, make it do something besides stun. Minor fracture + a snare? Or even just immobilization would be better than a stun.

Not even a little excited about the current team's love affair with stacks of ______. Counting things adds no fun or value to combat. I don't feel satisfied when I get to the full stack of whatever, I just feel annoyed it's even a thing I have to know about. Give me a chance proc like crystal frag over making stacks any day of the week.

/minirant

robpr

Davadin wrote: »

see... this is my concern. 135 well never actually happen, and 90 will happen at 5 sec at most.

like, why can't the damage debuff stays extra long?

i say it should be 135 after stack of 3, then it'll last for 10 (or 20??) sec.

Stacks dont go away on stun immune target (like dummy) so I guess its intended use is after Fossilize increasing damage your dots do while stunned. Next fist right after CC immunity go away will stun target again.

But that's dummy, not sure how it works on players.

techprince

The damage buff component is too low. Its not even weapon damage. Just static damage. It should at least be at 75 (similar to Molten Whip passive).

Ragnarock41

techprince wrote: »

The damage buff component is too low. Its not even weapon damage. Just static damage. It should at least be at 75 (similar to Molten Whip passive).

Would be better to just have it deal higher base damage without any of this stagger mechanic. I bet this will be used by the Dk tank rather than stamDKs in PvE. As for PvP the damage is way too small to be worth anything.

JusticeSouldier

Most ugly thing in Stonefist at PTS for me is - it's slightly reworked but just a bad copy of necromancer's Venom Skull.
Similar mechanics, which should force u spam it for those next effects...
I don't say about it's efficiency. Maybe it will be good.

But general idea and ugly, very poor visual part make me dissapointed and angry.
And I don't want it to be ranged skill... It should be Melee Punch with a Fist made from Stone.