Cyrodiil server performance is realated to animation cancelling/LA weaving

Delparis

Unless ZoS decides to fix the animation cancelling/LA weaving bug, Cyrodiil will keep the bad server performance.
Just fix it please.

when riding in cyrodiil or near a keep (out of combat) you should have arround 60 fps with good Pc.
The moment you start a fight, fps drop to 20 and lag spikes.
And don't tell me because i have a bad PC as mine got 8700k and 1080ti.
This is related to server performance as the server struggle to follow all the queries sent from all players.
Their is a reason why most of mmo add a GCD to players skills, to let server handle all the informations sent from and to players.
This also happen in trials so not only in Cyrodiil so it affects pve players as well.
If you are worried about your dps drop because of this don't worry as zenimax can buff skills to compensate the loss from LA weaving.
Results: a better game with better performance not the slideshow that make every other mmo laught at.

@ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler

edit: added some explanation

Katahdin

Lol now you really are reaching for straws

Your crusade against animation cancelling/LA weaving is pointless. LA weaving won't be removed from the
game no matter what you try to blame it for. Might as well try to blame WWI on animation cancelling...
Lol

jircris11

Do you have proof? It also has a lot to do with add ona that send request to the server every second or ten seconds master merchant for example.

SpacemanSpiff1

source for that claim?

Nevasca

Profile pic checks out.

TequilaFire

Uh, animations happen client side. smh

ManwithBeard9

Nah, it's the AOE caps that are the problem.

vamp_emily

TequilaFire

It our own fault we respond to his posts. lmao

Delparis

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

source for that claim?

Dont need a source you can test it yourself.

when riding in cyrodiil or near a keep (out of combat) you should have arround 60 fps.
The moment you start a fight, fps drop to 20 and lag spikes.
And don't tell me because i have a bad PC as mine got 8700k and 1080ti.
This is related to server performance as the server struggle to follow all the queries sent from all players.
Their is a reason why most of mmo add a GCD to players skills, to let server handle all the informations sent from and to players.
This also happen in trials so not only in Cyrodiil so it affects pve players as well.
If you are worried about your dps drop because of this don't worry as zenimax can buff skills to compensate the loss from LA weaving.
Results: a better game with better performance not the slideshow that make every other mmo laught at.

logarifmik

Delparis wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

source for that claim?

Dont need a source you can test it yourself.

when riding in cyrodiil or near a keep (out of combat) you should have arround 60 fps.
The moment you start a fight, fps drop to 20 and lag spikes.
And don't tell me because i have a bad PC as mine got 8700k and 1080ti.
This is related to server performance as the server struggle to follow all the queries sent from all players.
Their is a reason why most of mmo add a GCD to players skills, to let server handle all the informations sent from and to players.
This also happen in trials so not only in Cyrodiil so it affects pve players as well.
If you are worried about your dps drop because of this don't worry as zenimax can buff skills to compensate the loss from LA weaving.
Results: a better game with better performance not the slideshow that make every other mmo laught at.

Sounds reasonable enough. I'd prefer to see some numbers, though. And some comments from developers regarding the issue. The last part would be an extraordinary event, considering how bad they are in communication when it comes to problems the game have.

NordSwordnBoard

Girl_Number8

Ummm, okie here is some cute foxes playing....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cff1ZJjzbH0

Kagukan

I don't know about your theory but there for sure is performance issues in Cyrodiil.

I wouldn't have a problem with a GCD combat system. Remove all cast times though.

Delparis

logarifmik wrote: »

Delparis wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

source for that claim?

Dont need a source you can test it yourself.

when riding in cyrodiil or near a keep (out of combat) you should have arround 60 fps.
The moment you start a fight, fps drop to 20 and lag spikes.
And don't tell me because i have a bad PC as mine got 8700k and 1080ti.
This is related to server performance as the server struggle to follow all the queries sent from all players.
Their is a reason why most of mmo add a GCD to players skills, to let server handle all the informations sent from and to players.
This also happen in trials so not only in Cyrodiil so it affects pve players as well.
If you are worried about your dps drop because of this don't worry as zenimax can buff skills to compensate the loss from LA weaving.
Results: a better game with better performance not the slideshow that make every other mmo laught at.

Sounds reasonable enough. I'd prefer to see some numbers, though. And some comments from developers regarding the issue. The last part would be an extraordinary event, considering how bad they are in communication when it comes to problems the game have.

you look for evidence? just watch any twitch stream if you can't play and notice the difference frames/lag before and during a fight.
Even NASA server can't recieve/send all the queries from and to players without frame rate drop and lag.

Kel

Delparis wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

Delparis wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

source for that claim?

Dont need a source you can test it yourself.

when riding in cyrodiil or near a keep (out of combat) you should have arround 60 fps.
The moment you start a fight, fps drop to 20 and lag spikes.
And don't tell me because i have a bad PC as mine got 8700k and 1080ti.
This is related to server performance as the server struggle to follow all the queries sent from all players.
Their is a reason why most of mmo add a GCD to players skills, to let server handle all the informations sent from and to players.
This also happen in trials so not only in Cyrodiil so it affects pve players as well.
If you are worried about your dps drop because of this don't worry as zenimax can buff skills to compensate the loss from LA weaving.
Results: a better game with better performance not the slideshow that make every other mmo laught at.

Sounds reasonable enough. I'd prefer to see some numbers, though. And some comments from developers regarding the issue. The last part would be an extraordinary event, considering how bad they are in communication when it comes to problems the game have.

you look for evidence? just watch any twitch stream if you can't play and notice the difference frames/lag before and during a fight.
Even NASA server can't recieve/send all the queries from and to players without frame rate drop and lag.

The lag comes from calculations, such as damage vs. mitigation, healing vs. defile, and so on. (Those are examples...)
Not the animation or canceling of such. In fact, reason dictates it would improve performance since the animation wouldn't even register when it's canceled, reducing visual input.

Theory holds no water.

sharquez

Light attacks are responsible for the lag in cyrodiil now huh? I think you'd be at home playing original guildwars, In that game all you had to do was press number keys, the light attacks would automatically go towards whoever you were targeting. Pressing mouse one and then clicking a skill sure must be taxing on the ol servers. Kyne forbid you press block or dodgeroll after casting a skill whew that will blow the hamster right off the wheel.

SapAndFury

So you are proposing the establishment of a global cool down on skill casts? Maybe something on the order of a single skill every second? You should ply ESO.

p00tx

This is freaking hilarious. I spent nearly 3 years exclusively PvPing, and not once did I hear the terms "light attack cancelling" or "light attack weaving" come up. I heard the term "weaving", but I don't think most people who used it even knew what it meant exactly.

In short, very few PvPers actually use light attacks in between their skills (check your death recap. Any light attacks in there?), so there is NO WAY those are responsible for the Cyrodil lag. Also, given the average dps of the average player, I'm willing to bet very few players period actually employ proper light attack weaving or animation cancelling. You guys have GOT to stop with the crusade against it.

Delparis

Kel wrote: »

Delparis wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

Delparis wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

source for that claim?

Dont need a source you can test it yourself.

when riding in cyrodiil or near a keep (out of combat) you should have arround 60 fps.
The moment you start a fight, fps drop to 20 and lag spikes.
And don't tell me because i have a bad PC as mine got 8700k and 1080ti.
This is related to server performance as the server struggle to follow all the queries sent from all players.
Their is a reason why most of mmo add a GCD to players skills, to let server handle all the informations sent from and to players.
This also happen in trials so not only in Cyrodiil so it affects pve players as well.
If you are worried about your dps drop because of this don't worry as zenimax can buff skills to compensate the loss from LA weaving.
Results: a better game with better performance not the slideshow that make every other mmo laught at.

Sounds reasonable enough. I'd prefer to see some numbers, though. And some comments from developers regarding the issue. The last part would be an extraordinary event, considering how bad they are in communication when it comes to problems the game have.

you look for evidence? just watch any twitch stream if you can't play and notice the difference frames/lag before and during a fight.
Even NASA server can't recieve/send all the queries from and to players without frame rate drop and lag.

The lag comes from calculations, such as damage vs. mitigation, healing vs. defile, and so on. (Those are examples...)
Not the animation or canceling of such. In fact, reason dictates it would improve performance since the animation wouldn't even register when it's canceled, reducing visual input.

Theory holds no water.

LA are associated to a skill in 90% of all damage per sec (dp^s) during a fights.
That means 50% of all queries sent are LA (sometimes block or bash doesn't matter).
Just fix this so only skills or LA are sent during 1 sec time and you'll notice for sure a huge performance improvement

Slimebrow

Too bad I can't cancel my wallet for a refund. What a decent feature that would have been.

sharquez

We already have several threads where ignorant players who don't understand how animation canceling works can air their grievances. Maybe let this one sink into the abyss?

vamp_emily

I don't think it has anything to do with AC. Apparently tbagging is causing the lag.

Delparis

sharquez wrote: »

We already have several threads where ignorant players who don't understand how animation canceling works can air their grievances. Maybe let this one sink into the abyss?

Ignorant ? how presumptuous ...
I know everything i need to know about LA weaving and animation cancelling.
I know how to make good parse (80k on raid dummy with my Magplar).
I just want this mechanic removed and fixed because there is no point into 80k parse when your game turns into a slideshow in trial or cyrodiil.
I only care about performance in this game ...

El_Borracho

We get it, you're awesome and the game is lame. Perhaps quitting is the right call.

Delparis

El_Borracho wrote: »

We get it, you're awesome and the game is lame. Perhaps quitting is the right call.

why should i quit lol, i payed for this game.

mairwen85

Light attacks ate my baby!

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

mairwen85

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Serious troll post.

max_only

just remove the wolves from Cyrodiil like they did with the deer.
That’ll solve it.

I think all the fireworks, spaghetti code (a Player told them their guild roster was a memory sink remember?), and untested updates on top of an old foundation that causes it, but sure go with your theory.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/448084/psa-a-simple-trick-to-help-reduce-lag/p1

bearbelly

mairwen85 wrote: »

Light attacks ate my baby!

AND the dingo!