Healer need love.

Aznarb

Hello all.

I'm here to ask for some love.
Idc about skill balance all all these thing.

What I want is new healing set, lot of new healing set.
We're the ONLY role who don't have any real choice to build.

Olo, jorvul => All other set are trash.
IA is a dps set, we use it cuz nothing other to use.
Don't speak about mending, sanctuary or worm, they're garbage and you should know it if you're half good at your role, it's like IA, we use them sometime cuz nothing other to use..

You can't build a "fun" healer cuz all other set are lame and totally out of date.
DPS have a lot of choice to made fun build that are still decent, same for tank.
But in healer.. choice are just not here. Each time I want to try something fun I end-up using dps set..

@ZoS give us some set so we can have fun making original build too. I don't ask for OP and braindead set like Olorime. I ask for average and balanced set who feel fun to use.

Hapexamendios

Don’t ask for love, you’ll get nerfed to hell.

FrancisCrawford

I generally use Earthgore, SPC (since I don't do trials) and a generic magicka set, such as Julianos, Seducer or Necropotence. This is for dungeons. Worm would be fine if DDs were magicka, but is also needs the same 25% buff that Seducer got, for the same reasons.

Why a generic magicka set? Well, it works for healing just as it would for a DD; further, I spend ~1/2 my effort actually doing damage anyway.

I do use Sanctuary occasionally when I feel a particular fight will be a heal check. I think it actually made the key difference in a recent vWGT run with a tank who was totally unfamiliar with the dungeon and fairly low on CP, but a capable player getting good advice from our group. I chased madly as he kited, spamming HotD, and his health bar never quite went to zero ...

Aznarb

Well you don't need healer or tank for vWGT to be fair
I've even tank it as a healer, 0 problem even on hm.
Not the best example.
I don't need sanctuary to heal my tank to full in 1 button.

(which is another problem about how easy it is to play healer and how useless we are in 90% of the content)

That why I made this post, I just ask for set variety even if not BiS.
Cuz the few we get are horribly outdated and useless.

The only "unique" one who come to mind is trinimac on heal with shield like DK, that all.
And even this one is to weak to be consider, expecialy in DG content where everyone is split and you just don't bring that in vTrial for obvious reason.
But it's still a good example of fun and unique set who bring diversity for healer.

kargen27

DPS gets a whole lot (depending on perspective I guess) to choose from because of all the different types of DPS. With heals basically you heal and buff. Not a lot of variety needed because there isn't a lot of variety in keeping the team alive and buffed.
I wouldn't mind some new sets but there will always be a best set and most healers are going to use it.

FrancisCrawford

How about Hollowfang Thirst? It assumes magicka users balled into a small radius, which are obviously major limitations, but otherwise it looks like a strong "battery" set.

Aznarb

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

How about Hollowfang Thirst? It assumes magicka users balled into a small radius, which are obviously major limitations, but otherwise it looks like a strong "battery" set.

same as worm, you need enough magika healer to made it worth.
If it was stam and/or magika based on the hitting ally max resource it would be a good set.
Right now it's a fun set on my NB "blood" theme.

It's a good example of fun set though, more like this would be nice.

FrancisCrawford

Aznarb wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

How about Hollowfang Thirst? It assumes magicka users balled into a small radius, which are obviously major limitations, but otherwise it looks like a strong "battery" set.

same as worm, you need enough magika healer to made it worth.
If it was stam and/or magika based on the hitting ally max resource it would be a good set.
Right now it's a fun set on my NB "blood" theme.

It's a good example of fun set though, more like this would be nice.

That's a good idea. Let Worm give a reduction to magicka AND stamina costs for the group, or even to all cost, like Battlefield Acrobat and the Red Diamond passive. That would make it popular, and in line with the healer's job of being a "battery".

Similarly, Hollowfang Thirst should join Orb in giving either main resource. That still leaves it with the problem a variety of sets and skills have, namely that they hit only one cluster of teammates, but that's acceptable in that it's already part of the game.

Runkorko

Aznarb wrote: »

Well you don't need healer or tank for vWGT to be fair
I've even tank it as a healer, 0 problem even on hm.
Not the best example.
I don't need sanctuary to heal my tank to full in 1 button.

(which is another problem about how easy it is to play healer and how useless we are in 90% of the content)

That why I made this post, I just ask for set variety even if not BiS.
Cuz the few we get are horribly outdated and useless.

The only "unique" one who come to mind is trinimac on heal with shield like DK, that all.
And even this one is to weak to be consider, expecialy in DG content where everyone is split and you just don't bring that in vTrial for obvious reason.
But it's still a good example of fun and unique set who bring diversity for healer.

Logic eh ....
It can be done with 4 tanks and even more easily with 4 healers, probably faster than 4 dps tbh.
Same counts for all other dungeons
Do this mean we dont need dps ?

Aznarb

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

Well you don't need healer or tank for vWGT to be fair
I've even tank it as a healer, 0 problem even on hm.
Not the best example.
I don't need sanctuary to heal my tank to full in 1 button.

(which is another problem about how easy it is to play healer and how useless we are in 90% of the content)

That why I made this post, I just ask for set variety even if not BiS.
Cuz the few we get are horribly outdated and useless.

The only "unique" one who come to mind is trinimac on heal with shield like DK, that all.
And even this one is to weak to be consider, expecialy in DG content where everyone is split and you just don't bring that in vTrial for obvious reason.
But it's still a good example of fun and unique set who bring diversity for healer.

Logic eh ....
It can be done with 4 tanks and even more easily with 4 healers, probably faster than 4 dps tbh.
Same counts for all other dungeons
Do this mean we dont need dps ?

If you think that that just show how bad you're at the game. Not to be mean, but that the case.
DPS can slot 1 heal skill and be fine.
Heal and tank cannot just slot 1 dps skill and do 60k+ DPS.
If for you 20k is a good dps, then, yeah, you're not as good as you think.

But that not really the point of this thread you know ?

Aznarb

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

How about Hollowfang Thirst? It assumes magicka users balled into a small radius, which are obviously major limitations, but otherwise it looks like a strong "battery" set.

same as worm, you need enough magika healer to made it worth.
If it was stam and/or magika based on the hitting ally max resource it would be a good set.
Right now it's a fun set on my NB "blood" theme.

It's a good example of fun set though, more like this would be nice.

That's a good idea. Let Worm give a reduction to magicka AND stamina costs for the group, or even to all cost, like Battlefield Acrobat and the Red Diamond passive. That would make it popular, and in line with the healer's job of being a "battery".

Similarly, Hollowfang Thirst should join Orb in giving either main resource. That still leaves it with the problem a variety of sets and skills have, namely that they hit only one cluster of teammates, but that's acceptable in that it's already part of the game.

Can be other thing than resource like, shield, hot, giving buff like major evasion reliably to the team, etc..
I'm sure dev can find lot of fun and decent thing like they've do for DPS and tank.

But otherwise yeah I agree with you.

InvictusApollo

Aznarb wrote: »

Hello all.

I'm here to ask for some love.
Idc about skill balance all all these thing.

What I want is new healing set, lot of new healing set.
We're the ONLY role who don't have any real choice to build.

Olo, jorvul => All other set are trash.
IA is a dps set, we use it cuz nothing other to use.
Don't speak about mending, sanctuary or worm, they're garbage and you should know it if you're half good at your role, it's like IA, we use them sometime cuz nothing other to use..

You can't build a "fun" healer cuz all other set are lame and totally out of date.
DPS have a lot of choice to made fun build that are still decent, same for tank.
But in healer.. choice are just not here. Each time I want to try something fun I end-up using dps set..

@ZoS give us some set so we can have fun making original build too. I don't ask for OP and braindead set like Olorime. I ask for average and balanced set who feel fun to use.

@Aznarb become my pocket healer in PvP and I will give you all the love you need and then some. I will theorycraft for you a PvP healer build that will make you unkillable. We will dominate every zerg group on our path.
Join me! And we shall rule the gala... I mean Cyrodill, together!

Runkorko

Aznarb wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

Well you don't need healer or tank for vWGT to be fair
I've even tank it as a healer, 0 problem even on hm.
Not the best example.
I don't need sanctuary to heal my tank to full in 1 button.

(which is another problem about how easy it is to play healer and how useless we are in 90% of the content)

That why I made this post, I just ask for set variety even if not BiS.
Cuz the few we get are horribly outdated and useless.

The only "unique" one who come to mind is trinimac on heal with shield like DK, that all.
And even this one is to weak to be consider, expecialy in DG content where everyone is split and you just don't bring that in vTrial for obvious reason.
But it's still a good example of fun and unique set who bring diversity for healer.

Logic eh ....
It can be done with 4 tanks and even more easily with 4 healers, probably faster than 4 dps tbh.
Same counts for all other dungeons
Do this mean we dont need dps ?

If you think that that just show how bad you're at the game. Not to be mean, but that the case.
DPS can slot 1 heal skill and be fine.
Heal and tank cannot just slot 1 dps skill and do 60k+ DPS.
If for you 20k is a good dps, then, yeah, you're not as good as you think.

But that not really the point of this thread you know ?

Meintenance to the "pro endgamers" is like rain for the snails, we have them all over the forum
Keep dreaming

Iskiab

I’d like to see a new healing set as well, but specifically for pvp. PvE’s easy mode and healers wouldn’t use a new set unless it’s better at buffing dps.

PvP dream light armour healing set:

2 - mag recovery
3 - mag recovery
4 - healing done
5 - 10% less damage taken from players

Runkorko

Iskiab wrote: »

I’d like to see a new healing set as well, but specifically for pvp. PvE’s easy mode and healers wouldn’t use a new set unless it’s better at buffing dps.

PvP dream light armour healing set:

2 - mag recovery
3 - mag recovery
4 - healing done
5 - 10% less damage taken from players

Seems balanced

Iskiab

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I’d like to see a new healing set as well, but specifically for pvp. PvE’s easy mode and healers wouldn’t use a new set unless it’s better at buffing dps.

PvP dream light armour healing set:

2 - mag recovery
3 - mag recovery
4 - healing done
5 - 10% less damage taken from players

Seems balanced

It is! Just taking the existing best traits from other sets and putting them together on one set.

Or... we could go with a new 5 piece bonus:

When hit by onslaught, dizzy swing or any other ability that’s spammed with CC or overloaded it reflects the damage and makes the person go blind for 5 seconds, turning their screen dark. Meme appears on the screen - you can’t kill me fool!

Runkorko

Iskiab wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I’d like to see a new healing set as well, but specifically for pvp. PvE’s easy mode and healers wouldn’t use a new set unless it’s better at buffing dps.

PvP dream light armour healing set:

2 - mag recovery
3 - mag recovery
4 - healing done
5 - 10% less damage taken from players

Seems balanced

It is! Just taking the existing best traits from other sets and putting them together on one set.

Or... we could go with a new 5 piece bonus:

When hit by onslaught, dizzy swing or any other ability that’s spammed with CC or overloaded it reflects the damage and makes the person go blind for 5 seconds, turning their screen dark. Meme appears on the screen - you can’t kill me fool!

Dntw, healers will be immortal when patch hits live.
No matter the set

Maggi12

I always wondered why even game devs call that role as 'healer'. For me, best name of that role is: 'support'.
Because 'healers' not only heal, but also dmg boost, resource boost, do tanking sometimes, provide auras, etc...

redlink1979

I've been using Olorime + Worms Rainment/Jorvuld + Guardian for the majority of dungeons.
Asylum resto on front, Olorime lightning on back.
When trialing I adapt to the group.

SoLooney

You have zens redress and martial knowledge, there you go

Iskiab

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I’d like to see a new healing set as well, but specifically for pvp. PvE’s easy mode and healers wouldn’t use a new set unless it’s better at buffing dps.

PvP dream light armour healing set:

2 - mag recovery
3 - mag recovery
4 - healing done
5 - 10% less damage taken from players

Seems balanced

It is! Just taking the existing best traits from other sets and putting them together on one set.

Or... we could go with a new 5 piece bonus:

When hit by onslaught, dizzy swing or any other ability that’s spammed with CC or overloaded it reflects the damage and makes the person go blind for 5 seconds, turning their screen dark. Meme appears on the screen - you can’t kill me fool!

Dntw, healers will be immortal when patch hits live.
No matter the set

I don’t think so. 1v1 probably as it should be, if you’re a healer and someone can take you out solo there’s no point in playing a healer in pvp.

Ratzkifal

Okay, and why do you think Worms is bad? Do you just not like supporting your group's sustain? The reason healers run Torug's, IA (RIP) and Martial Knowledge is because they are supports. Since healing done rarely needs boosting, Healers can run other sets that allow them to support the group.

You can run Curse-Eater if you want variety and don't care about BiS. I'm guessing you are not a fan of PA and Hircine's, but that gear is also important to have for a healer (aka support).
Alternatively, try making a Stamden healer in medium armor just for the fun of it.

Try coming up with some interesting set for healers that you would want to see added into the game. Only saying you want more variety but rejecting the variety we have without tell us what you think is missing is not really a good basis for a discussion.

Reverb

Most end game pve healers have worm, olo, sanctuary, spc, mending, jorvulds, and IA and 3 monster sets, at minimum. That’s 3x as many as I need for any other toon. Amd that’s just for min/maxing, If you don’t do vet trials you can be an effective healer with over a dozen different sets. I can’t imagine why you think there needs to be more variety.

Reverb

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

Well you don't need healer or tank for vWGT to be fair
I've even tank it as a healer, 0 problem even on hm.
Not the best example.
I don't need sanctuary to heal my tank to full in 1 button.

(which is another problem about how easy it is to play healer and how useless we are in 90% of the content)

That why I made this post, I just ask for set variety even if not BiS.
Cuz the few we get are horribly outdated and useless.

The only "unique" one who come to mind is trinimac on heal with shield like DK, that all.
And even this one is to weak to be consider, expecialy in DG content where everyone is split and you just don't bring that in vTrial for obvious reason.
But it's still a good example of fun and unique set who bring diversity for healer.

Logic eh ....
It can be done with 4 tanks and even more easily with 4 healers, probably faster than 4 dps tbh.
Same counts for all other dungeons
Do this mean we dont need dps ?

There are no mechanics in this game that can’t be overcome with sheer dps. The same isn’t true of any other role. Sure it’s theoretically possible to clear a dungeon with 4 tanks but a 4 dps group will finish the entire instance in the time it takes he tanks to clear the way to the first boss.

Edit - substituted ‘role’ for ‘class’ in error.

peacenote

Dragon Bones came out in Feb 2018 (bringing us Jorvuld's) and Summerset came out in May/June 2018 (bringing us Olorime). Wrathstone came out in Feb/March 2019 and brought us a pretty viable new monster set, Symphony of Blades.

Before that, BIS was SPC, from Imperial City, which was released in... 2015.

While I am all for more healing sets you have to at least admit things have been going in the right direction these past two years. I have the most issues with inventory on my main because she has to lug around so many different healing sets already for potential situations.

Jolipinator

I haven't played as a healer for a very long time. I had a Templar but he felt too boring. I made a Nightblade at the end of 2017 and loved it. Over time they changed so many Nightblade abilities I lost interest in playing it. Tried a Warden and nearly died of boredom.

Whenever I loot a piece of the Combat Physician set in Wayrest Sewers I stop and think for a second, and then remember it is crap due to only working on one player at a time. If they allowed it to apply the shield to more players (cap at 3 or 6 or whatever is balanced) and then change the cooldown or shield size it could be useful.

Aznarb

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

Hello all.

I'm here to ask for some love.
Idc about skill balance all all these thing.

What I want is new healing set, lot of new healing set.
We're the ONLY role who don't have any real choice to build.

Olo, jorvul => All other set are trash.
IA is a dps set, we use it cuz nothing other to use.
Don't speak about mending, sanctuary or worm, they're garbage and you should know it if you're half good at your role, it's like IA, we use them sometime cuz nothing other to use..

You can't build a "fun" healer cuz all other set are lame and totally out of date.
DPS have a lot of choice to made fun build that are still decent, same for tank.
But in healer.. choice are just not here. Each time I want to try something fun I end-up using dps set..

@ZoS give us some set so we can have fun making original build too. I don't ask for OP and braindead set like Olorime. I ask for average and balanced set who feel fun to use.

@Aznarb become my pocket healer in PvP and I will give you all the love you need and then some. I will theorycraft for you a PvP healer build that will make you unkillable. We will dominate every zerg group on our path.
Join me! And we shall rule the gala... I mean Cyrodill, together!

Don't worry, for pvp I can already tank 7 ppl and not dying unless they CC me to death.
And with the 3pc set rework I'm sur I can be more tanky

Jolipinator wrote: »

I haven't played as a healer for a very long time. I had a Templar but he felt too boring. I made a Nightblade at the end of 2017 and loved it. Over time they changed so many Nightblade abilities I lost interest in playing it. Tried a Warden and nearly died of boredom.

Whenever I loot a piece of the Combat Physician set in Wayrest Sewers I stop and think for a second, and then remember it is crap due to only working on one player at a time. If they allowed it to apply the shield to more players (cap at 3 or 6 or whatever is balanced) and then change the cooldown or shield size it could be useful.

Yeah, I though the same when I look at the set of spin2, 6% for 2k shield, with 10% and 4k shield I would try it on my DK heal.

peacenote wrote: »

Dragon Bones came out in Feb 2018 (bringing us Jorvuld's) and Summerset came out in May/June 2018 (bringing us Olorime). Wrathstone came out in Feb/March 2019 and brought us a pretty viable new monster set, Symphony of Blades.

Before that, BIS was SPC, from Imperial City, which was released in... 2015.

While I am all for more healing sets you have to at least admit things have been going in the right direction these past two years. I have the most issues with inventory on my main because she has to lug around so many different healing sets already for potential situations.

You right, maybe I should be more patient.
But even if not new set, would love to see them rework old healing set since they've start to rework few old set.
(still prefer Sentinel over blade, but blade is not bad in 4 man I agree)

Reverb wrote: »

Most end game pve healers have worm, olo, sanctuary, spc, mending, jorvulds, and IA and 3 monster sets, at minimum. That’s 3x as many as I need for any other toon. Amd that’s just for min/maxing, If you don’t do vet trials you can be an effective healer with over a dozen different sets. I can’t imagine why you think there needs to be more variety.

And you don't need all of that.
I've done vTrial and some HM, never feel the need of them.
And our magicka never see a difference with or not the worm, bonus is way to small.
Sanctuary is overkill everywhere and mending is about the same, never feel the need to use it.
AI is often used by our second healer (but that doesn't change the fact it's a dps set put on healer, like Alkosh is a stam dps set put on a tank.
Not saying it's heresy, but you can't said it's a healer/tank set when everything about these set is dps stats.
Also, who the heal use spc when olo is just the same, easier, longer and faster to get ? Oo

But like I said in the 1st post, I don't ask for strong set that gonna be meta.
I'm just looking for fun set (like mad tinker, morkul, frozen watcher, etc..) designed for heal/support purpose.
The actual problem is all the fun set for healer, are extremely few and most of the time way to old to fit the need of dlc content.
I think lot of ppl who answer don't have read the 1st post before replying.

For example I had fun making a tank with grodharr, frozen watcher and thunderbug (*** discoball !).
Very fun and work in every 4 man content.
But ofc not in vTrial.