Warden seems a bit OP

validifyedneb18_ESO

Giving them essentially 100% permafrost effect uptime with arctic blast, and turning permafrost into effectively an even higher % uptime ultimate for huge AOE damage and (more importantly) 30% damage reduction. And 70% snare in that huge range.

Seems over-tuned. Used to play loads of frostden, moved away from it and dont really want to move back, but they where already OP, even without permafrosts stun.

WildRaptorX

Here we go

Insco851

Arctic blast is a much small area than perma. But combined yea about the same effect as before. Still- warden needed a class stun with dmg. This doesn’t help that.

Group play tho.

validifyedneb18_ESO

Insco851 wrote: »

Arctic blast is a much small area than perma. But combined yea about the same effect as before. Still- warden needed a class stun with dmg. This doesn’t help that.

Group play tho.

I would much rather see a pruning of 'class stun with dmg' abilities than a tick-all-the-boxes exercise in making sure every class has access to the same - annoying - toolkit.

scirocco2

Wardens with permafrost is currently ruling bg:s with this change they will get even more numerous I know alot of friends theat abandoned their classes mostly templar and went warden since they are better in every way now and will keep gettitng bettter.

OtarTheMad

You still trust ZOS to nerf things correctly? Really? I got an idea how about we adapt to changes and learn to kill other classes, ZOS isn't going to make an instant win button so we need to learn to counter. Not trying to sound like a ***, sorry, these patch notes made me salty.

ZarkingFrued

Yeah good luck timing that to be effective anywhere but in a group

Daemonai

OP, I'm curious to know how you feel about Living Dark, which isn't an Ultimate, that can snare at 28+ meters for 60% potency and can be permanently maintained vs Permafrost which snares for 70% potency in a 10-meter radius and has downtime?

If Warden is OP, what is Templar? God Tier?

NBrookus

Arctic Blast is very expensive (4233 mag) and takes 3 seconds *while in range* to stun; I don't see wardens keeping really high uptime on it for that cost, plus a human enemy has 3 seconds to react with an on-demand CC like foss or streak, root the warden and move, etc.

ESO_Nightingale

LeHarrt91

Sure we can have 100% uptime on Arctic, but its expensive and have a small radius. and as has been said above, we can be stunned/ knocked back.
Will have to see how it plays out on pts.

SidraWillowsky

OMG people are already whining about this??

ESO_Nightingale

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

OMG people are already whining about this??

Yeah. Willing to bet these people haven't fully tested these skills.

Wolfpaw

Meta chasing is lame, balance is boring, & ESO is not an esport.

Just play the class/role you like & wait for your turn to the top...mid...bottom...& we do it all again.

Vapirko

I’d be more concerned about ranged off balance followed by stacking 7 bleeds.

NyassaV

The DoT on their spammable is a kinda much

Aztlan

These are excellent changes for Warden.

MLGProPlayer

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

OMG people are already whining about this??

Yeah. Willing to bet these people haven't fully tested these skills.

They haven't even installed PTS.

jaws343

The arctic blast change actually frees the magden from permafrost. Northern Storm will play much better with the max mag increase now that you won't need perma for the stun.

Vapirko

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

OMG people are already whining about this??

Yeah. Willing to bet these people haven't fully tested these skills.

They haven't even installed PTS.

I lost my PTS and not too eager to download it again. But I am curious to know how much the bleeds hit for on cutting dive. Off balance+7 stacking bleeds+minor vulnerability from swarm sounds like THE ultimate zerg two button combo.

Austinseph1

Great since you posted this theyy will nerf warden by appx 63%. Great goin sir...... But no really Its about time my warden got some love XD

Ozby

Here we go another warden hater with out even testing the skills first.

BahometZ

Good thing the game isn't played on paper.

NBrookus

Vapirko wrote: »

I’d be more concerned about ranged off balance followed by stacking 7 bleeds.

The bleeds are pretty weak. Yes it's a little bit extra damage, but in PVP they'd mostly be purge sponges.

Nirnroot420

Does no one in this thread remember exactly one year ago? Wardens were untouchable in small scale PVP, particuarly in BGs. A lot of very average players developed godly reputations because they hit the Permafrost key in a coordinated group, which basically amounted to an "I Win" button.

Essentially, Wardens were overtuned to small scale. The nerfs to AoEs ended that meta, but now we're going back to it. I can't imagine anyone who dealt with that in the past is aching for a return. This is a bad move all around, but fits the bill of ZoS not having a clear vision of what they want to do and the see-saw balance (AoE damage! Nah, DoTs. Lol, jks, AoE damage!) is proof of that.

I'm looking forward to Q1 2020, however, when we see Spear Shards buffed 150%.

UrbanMonk

I'm sure many people are happy to see the Arctic Blast change because this was the only range CC left for mag warden and they dont have to worry about this anymore as the new Arctic Blast will take 3 sec before they can be stunned.

MLGProPlayer

Nirnroot420 wrote: »

Does no one in this thread remember exactly one year ago? Wardens were untouchable in small scale PVP, particuarly in BGs. A lot of very average players developed godly reputations because they hit the Permafrost key in a coordinated group, which basically amounted to an "I Win" button.

Essentially, Wardens were overtuned to small scale. The nerfs to AoEs ended that meta, but now we're going back to it. I can't imagine anyone who dealt with that in the past is aching for a return. This is a bad move all around, but fits the bill of ZoS not having a clear vision of what they want to do and the see-saw balance (AoE damage! Nah, DoTs. Lol, jks, AoE damage!) is proof of that.

I'm looking forward to Q1 2020, however, when we see Spear Shards buffed 150%.

Does no one remember exactly one year ago when trying to take a warden into a vet trial would be met with an insta-kick followed by an "uninstall" whisper?

Vapirko

NBrookus wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

I’d be more concerned about ranged off balance followed by stacking 7 bleeds.

The bleeds are pretty weak. Yes it's a little bit extra damage, but in PVP they'd mostly be purge sponges.

Which could be really annoying in its own respect.

RouDeR

As someone who's main is Warden i consider the Arctic blast stun to be a bit overtuned,
they should increase the damage hits to 5 in order to be able to stun the enemies.

LeHarrt91

RouDeR wrote: »

As someone who's main is Warden i consider the Arctic blast stun to be a bit overtuned,
they should increase the damage hits to 5 in order to be able to stun the enemies.

People who have tested Arctic are saying it does not work well if you are moving.

UrbanMonk

RouDeR wrote: »

As someone who's main is Warden i consider the Arctic blast stun to be a bit overtuned,
they should increase the damage hits to 5 in order to be able to stun the enemies.

Are you serious? You claim to be Main Warden and ask for even more crap on already crapped skill? By the time you wait for your stunn to hit the enemy, you will be dead by then, cause they have already stunned you, rooted you in the same amount of time.
This was crap skill with stunn associated with heal even if you didn't need heal and with too high a cost. But unfortunately only long range stun. And now even that's gone.