just delete magicka dk, stop torturing us(magdk-players) with his constant nerfs

Miloscpolski

Stop torturing us(magdk-players) with his constant nerfs

Austinseph1

You thought 30% aoe nerf was bad? Welcome to the 60% nerf with 50% cost increase. I cant handle all of this anymore, my active guild players are dropping more and more every swing of the sledgehammer.

Miloscpolski

Austinseph1 wrote: »

You thought 30% aoe nerf was bad? Welcome to the 60% nerf with 50% cost increase. I cant handle all of this anymore, my active guild players are dropping more and more every swing of the sledgehammer.

i cant play in this game, gg zos.

zParallaxz

I remember a time when mag or stam dk could sustain wonderfully and 1vX with only having 500-900 recov. They were the best class at doing this and it added to their class identity, but now we have burning embers/venomous claw getting another increase to cost for a melee based skill that is dodgeable.

SilverPaws

They successfuly killed both magdk and stamdk with this *** changes to dots.

StShoot

SilverPaws wrote: »

They successfuly killed both magdk and stamdk with this *** changes to dots.

but hey you got a new spamable as a stam dk isnt that awesome!!??!?!?! its everything you asked for that is so mutch identety restored to stam dks (sarcasm

LonePirate

PVP in this game is all about burst damage so ZOS has effectively decided that only five classes should engage in PVP instead of all six. DOTs are pretty much all DKs have and now they are as potent as a gelded horse.

Juhasow

SilverPaws wrote: »

They successfuly killed both magdk and stamdk with this *** changes to dots.

Did they ? How ? Any proff ? Because on PTS both mag and stam DK are doing very decent DPS when compared to other classes. I also dont think dk lacks options for creating burst damage combos. So how ZoS excatly killed them with change to DoTs ?

Jayroo

You do know that have feedback threads right.
If the content of your post is one sentence OP whining about a nerf, join one of the 50 literally identical threads.

These mods are too nice

Kadoin

I still like my mag DK on PTS, but eh...It feels like moving a mountain to win versus any decent player compared to any other class in the game. Yeah, you can go on the defense for a long time, but it means nothing when your offense is primarily made up of light and heavy attacks (and proc sets if you use them). My mag DK on PTS is pretty underwhelming even with an overwhelming set on!

Don't get me started on how if you breathe your mag is gone...

Xvorg

Juhasow wrote: »

SilverPaws wrote: »

They successfuly killed both magdk and stamdk with this *** changes to dots.

Did they ? How ? Any proff ? Because on PTS both mag and stam DK are doing very decent DPS when compared to other classes. I also dont think dk lacks options for creating burst damage combos. So how ZoS excatly killed them with change to DoTs ?

Class has 0 passive that increases crit dmg, penetration or crit chance. Burst on DK is painful.

On mDK it could be the combo inhale + leap, but inhale is quite slow and leap requiers you to get max ulti

On sDK it used to be foss + WB + leap. With the current cost of foss that combo died. The only reliable option was noxious + claw + spamming executioner

VaranisArano

Please don't.

I might be nerfed, but I still really enjoy my MagDK main. Of course, I'm sure it helps that in PVE I play the still-fairly-meta role of tank, and in PVP, my healer is so laughably off-meta that I just have fun regardless.

Cadbury

No

My magDk is my favorite class. Don't take him away. He's suffered enough.

Victor_Blade

Laughs in magblade

Davadin

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Stop torturing us(magdk-players) with his constant nerfs

and leave DK as StamDK only???


boy, there are some things in life that's worse than death............

can we, StamDKs, join you in ESO hell if that ever happens?

SipofMaim

Victor_Blade wrote: »

Laughs in magblade

Fair point.

starkerealm

Victor_Blade wrote: »

Laughs in magblade

*Makes no noise in Stamblade and surprise attacks without a cast time.*

tthhyyss

just unsub.... dont pay for this ***

Cerotonin

starkerealm wrote: »

Victor_Blade wrote: »

Laughs in magblade

*Makes no noise in Stamblade and surprise attacks without a cast time.*

Wouldn’t be much a surprise if it had a cast time.

Fawn4287

DK has been the king of the duel arena and main tank meta for the entirety of the game and dots have made it the king of easy damage in battlegrounds and has been buffed up in decent increments every patch, eventually every class gets hit with the nerfhammer at some point, just be happy knowing the pendulum will swing the other way next patch

WillhelmBlack

Fawn4287 wrote: »

DK has been the king of the duel arena and main tank meta for the entirety of the game and dots have made it the king of easy damage in battlegrounds and has been buffed up in decent increments every patch, eventually every class gets hit with the nerfhammer at some point, just be happy knowing the pendulum will swing the other way next patch

lol

Dottzgaming

zParallaxz wrote: »

I remember a time when mag or stam dk could sustain wonderfully and 1vX with only having 500-900 recov. They were the best class at doing this and it added to their class identity, but now we have burning embers/venomous claw getting another increase to cost for a melee based skill that is dodgeable.

Exactly - i do this on the live server currently - sitting at around 900 mag recov. It's a great thing that only mDK can really do and like you said it feels like a very DK kind of thing

on the pts? i needed to add a cost reduction glyph and a mag recovery glyph in order to properly sustain, which is a huge hit to my already gimped dmg since dots are so weak.

Really hope we see some cost decreases today and some class dot buffs

WillhelmBlack

Low damage I can get around. Losing all of its core traits, I can not.

Wings, Power Lash, block, resource return nerfed to ***.

Those are what made mag DK still viable, I won't go into the skills that haven't been used in PvP for 4 years.

Now cost increases. Its currently bottom tier, soon to be extinct in PvP, especially non CP.

ThePedge

At this rate there's no reason to play a class other than Templar

Miloscpolski

Davadin wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Stop torturing us(magdk-players) with his constant nerfs

and leave DK as StamDK only???


boy, there are some things in life that's worse than death............

can we, StamDKs, join you in ESO hell if that ever happens?

I am not a boy, boys are in kindergarten, and where does stamdk if you read poorly I will say that we are talking about constant nerfs magicka dk, and I say this is not so simple, I spend all my time on magic dk - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQB1XQ9AW0XA4oF5ujko0YA?view_as=subscriber u can whatch me on my youtube channel and i know what i about talking.

Xvorg

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Stop torturing us(magdk-players) with his constant nerfs

and leave DK as StamDK only???


boy, there are some things in life that's worse than death............

can we, StamDKs, join you in ESO hell if that ever happens?

I am not a boy, boys are in kindergarten, and where does stamdk if you read poorly I will say that we are talking about constant nerfs magicka dk, and I say this is not so simple, I spend all my time on magic dk - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQB1XQ9AW0XA4oF5ujko0YA?view_as=subscriber u can whatch me on my youtube channel and i know what i about talking.

He's telling you that stamDK is in the very same conditions than mDK, or even worse.

You don't have to fight our brothers in disgrace. ZoS makes little disctinction between StamDKs and mDKs, delivering similar nerfs.

helios777

The devs need to stop getting Xv1’ed by the few remaining Magicka DKs. That’s why we get nerfed so much.

Davadin

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Stop torturing us(magdk-players) with his constant nerfs

and leave DK as StamDK only???


boy, there are some things in life that's worse than death............

can we, StamDKs, join you in ESO hell if that ever happens?

I am not a boy, boys are in kindergarten, and where does stamdk if you read poorly I will say that we are talking about constant nerfs magicka dk, and I say this is not so simple, I spend all my time on magic dk - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQB1XQ9AW0XA4oF5ujko0YA?view_as=subscriber u can whatch me on my youtube channel and i know what i about talking.

Xvorg wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Stop torturing us(magdk-players) with his constant nerfs

and leave DK as StamDK only???


boy, there are some things in life that's worse than death............

can we, StamDKs, join you in ESO hell if that ever happens?

I am not a boy, boys are in kindergarten, and where does stamdk if you read poorly I will say that we are talking about constant nerfs magicka dk, and I say this is not so simple, I spend all my time on magic dk - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQB1XQ9AW0XA4oF5ujko0YA?view_as=subscriber u can whatch me on my youtube channel and i know what i about talking.

He's telling you that stamDK is in the very same conditions than mDK, or even worse.

You don't have to fight our brothers in disgrace. ZoS makes little disctinction between StamDKs and mDKs, delivering similar nerfs.

Juhasow

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Stop torturing us(magdk-players) with his constant nerfs

and leave DK as StamDK only???


boy, there are some things in life that's worse than death............

can we, StamDKs, join you in ESO hell if that ever happens?

I am not a boy, boys are in kindergarten, and where does stamdk if you read poorly I will say that we are talking about constant nerfs magicka dk, and I say this is not so simple, I spend all my time on magic dk - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQB1XQ9AW0XA4oF5ujko0YA?view_as=subscriber u can whatch me on my youtube channel and i know what i about talking.

Well I dont want to bring bad news but saying something like "I know what I am talking about look at my vids" and then linking a channel that is full of dk footage after scalebraker DoTs overbuffing when it basically became slightly braindead to play as mag dk is not the smartest approach. It also kinda puts You in a wierd spot of why You are really concerned about this new patch combat changes.

Juhasow

Xvorg wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

SilverPaws wrote: »

They successfuly killed both magdk and stamdk with this *** changes to dots.

Did they ? How ? Any proff ? Because on PTS both mag and stam DK are doing very decent DPS when compared to other classes. I also dont think dk lacks options for creating burst damage combos. So how ZoS excatly killed them with change to DoTs ?

Class has 0 passive that increases crit dmg, penetration or crit chance. Burst on DK is painful.

On mDK it could be the combo inhale + leap, but inhale is quite slow and leap requiers you to get max ulti

On sDK it used to be foss + WB + leap. With the current cost of foss that combo died. The only reliable option was noxious + claw + spamming executioner

Umm not entirely correct I think. Class may not have lot of passives that increase crit damage etc but class have ability that increase enemy dmg taken from fire (main dmg type of mag dk) by 10% so it's basically passives that increase dmg done on mag dk by 10%. Pretty significat I would say. Mag dk also recived lately very bursty option with molten whip.

On mag dk there is few combos to choose. Most bursty one is when You choose to use flames of oblivion which I think in ZoS's heads is dk representative of other classes burst abilities. You can use engulfing flames+flames of oblivion+burning embers as openers and then follow up with inhave+fossilize+whip+leap which basically causes enemy to take damage from inhale leap and flames of oblivion proc at the same time right after taking burst damage from whip a second earlier. Yes it requires ulti but almost all burst combos requites ultimates in them and frankly leap isnt that expensive considering its' damage ad fact it's undodgable AoE. To be fair I completly stopped to play mag dk lately depite liking that playstyle because of how easy mode it became with current changes game recived to DoTs. The amount of pressure You can make is just too high and too easy.

On stam DK it's kinda harder to perform burst combo as we know from other stamina classes. I think atm stam dk is more about just overpowering enemy with constant damage pressure for certain period of time while taking low amount of damage rather then just bursting him down is few seconds with timed combo but that second option is also possible and dk have ultis that supports both (corrisve armor and leap). Also here dk have some ways to pressurize enemy with once again flames of oblivion if You really want to be build with damage pressure not tankiness in mind and increasing damage from venomous claw. Fossilize is also still possible to use on stam dk. It's cost now is more reasonable considering how strong that CC is so instead of spamming it every 7 seconds You need to now think of what You're doing and choose right moment more strategically other then just brainleasly control enemy with very strong CC that have 2 controling effects at once. Also it's not like leap is not giving You a stun. You are still able to land a combo of WB+leap into executioner and with lucky crits burst enemy down. I agree bursting enemy down on stam dk sometimes may be slightly bigger hustle then on other stamina setups but I think that is price to pay for fact that most of stam dk for quite some time was choosing to play as tanks that deal damage while their hp is barely moving and that was keeping stam dk away from getting any significant burst damage options because it would just increase the issue of too much tankiness stam dk had for some time now in certain setups (especially heavy armor s&b). Stam dk dd in PvP is one of the examples where 1 setup is holding whole role hostage from getting the changes many people desires.

Xvorg

Juhasow wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

SilverPaws wrote: »

They successfuly killed both magdk and stamdk with this *** changes to dots.

Did they ? How ? Any proff ? Because on PTS both mag and stam DK are doing very decent DPS when compared to other classes. I also dont think dk lacks options for creating burst damage combos. So how ZoS excatly killed them with change to DoTs ?

Class has 0 passive that increases crit dmg, penetration or crit chance. Burst on DK is painful.

On mDK it could be the combo inhale + leap, but inhale is quite slow and leap requiers you to get max ulti

On sDK it used to be foss + WB + leap. With the current cost of foss that combo died. The only reliable option was noxious + claw + spamming executioner

Umm not entirely correct I think. Class may not have lot of passives that increase crit damage etc but class have ability that increase enemy dmg taken from fire (main dmg type of mag dk) by 10% so it's basically passives that increase dmg done on mag dk by 10%. Pretty significat I would say. Mag dk also recived lately very bursty option with molten whip.

On mag dk there is few combos to choose. Most bursty one is when You choose to use flames of oblivion which I think in ZoS's heads is dk representative of other classes burst abilities. You can use engulfing flames+flames of oblivion+burning embers as openers and then follow up with inhave+fossilize+whip+leap which basically causes enemy to take damage from inhale leap and flames of oblivion proc at the same time right after taking burst damage from whip a second earlier. Yes it requires ulti but almost all burst combos requites ultimates in them and frankly leap isnt that expensive considering its' damage ad fact it's undodgable AoE. To be fair I completly stopped to play mag dk lately depite liking that playstyle because of how easy mode it became with current changes game recived to DoTs. The amount of pressure You can make is just too high and too easy.

On stam DK it's kinda harder to perform burst combo as we know from other stamina classes. I think atm stam dk is more about just overpowering enemy with constant damage pressure for certain period of time while taking low amount of damage rather then just bursting him down is few seconds with timed combo but that second option is also possible and dk have ultis that supports both (corrisve armor and leap). Also here dk have some ways to pressurize enemy with once again flames of oblivion if You really want to be build with damage pressure not tankiness in mind and increasing damage from venomous claw. Fossilize is also still possible to use on stam dk. It's cost now is more reasonable considering how strong that CC is so instead of spamming it every 7 seconds You need to now think of what You're doing and choose right moment more strategically other then just brainleasly control enemy with very strong CC that have 2 controling effects at once. Also it's not like leap is not giving You a stun. You are still able to land a combo of WB+leap into executioner and with lucky crits burst enemy down. I agree bursting enemy down on stam dk sometimes may be slightly bigger hustle then on other stamina setups but I think that is price to pay for fact that most of stam dk for quite some time was choosing to play as tanks that deal damage while their hp is barely moving and that was keeping stam dk away from getting any significant burst damage options because it would just increase the issue of too much tankiness stam dk had for some time now in certain setups (especially heavy armor s&b). Stam dk dd in PvP is one of the examples where 1 setup is holding whole role hostage from getting the changes many people desires.

Problem with breath is: 1) It's almost obligation to use it 2) the cost increase, the DoT dmg reduction and the new mechanic that requires you to have 3330 Spell dmg to get a 10% extra dmg on fire base skills makes it less appealing.

It won't be used by tanks anymore