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Anybody has any clues why ZOS nerfing everything?

Jagdkommando
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Hey guys any ideas why ZOS keeps nerfing everything since 1 year??? maybe they are preparing smth for us? [removed bashing comment]
Edited by ZOS_JesC on September 8, 2019 5:14PM
  • Artemiisia
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    my theory is more paranoid

    They seem to make everything like equal to make it easier for future patches slowly, and to when this game gets vanilla status, where no more real content comes and all they need to do is fix bugs and small patches, game has been out for 5 years and I fear it will be sooner rather then later sadly this will happen.
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  • JumpmanLane
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    Vlad9425 wrote: »
    Cos of all the nerflings on this forum.

    ^This.

    It’s apparent that no one at ZOS PvPs at a high level or often enough to have a feel for the game. They read the forums and adjust stuff accordingly.
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  • Cadbury
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    It's fashionable to blame a different party each update:

    PvPers
    PvEers
    Streamers
    Class Reps
    Etc.

    "If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."
  • Kadoin
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    Its some combination of:

    Horizontal Progression
    Power Creep
    Class and Racial Balance
    Balancing PVE and PVP
    Player Pain Points
    Changing up the Meta
    New Dev Teams
    Changing Game Design
    Making sure players keep grinding

    I leave it up to you to decide which reasons are most important to ZOS.

    This. It's why sets are now becoming more important than stats again, just like in One Tamriel...It's also why some oversights occur and allow you to build insanely powerful characters in PvP that literally carry you, esp. in this patch.
  • zyk
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    All games as complex as ESO require adjustments. Designers aren't perfect. They will make mistakes and there will be unforeseen results that could be gamebreaking. ESO is an especially complex game. The underlying mechanics are complex and there are thousands of combinations of variables in the form of attributes, abilities, passives, traits, sets, potions, glyphs, munduses, etc. Added to the different ways the game is played from casual overland PVE to hardcore PVP, it makes the game practically impossible to balance.

    The notion that making adjustments is in itself a bad thing is absurd.

    Unfortunately, there's always a party -- sometimes a lot people -- negatively impacted by an adjustment and might feel persecuted. This can be augmented to certainty through echo chambers like guild and discord chats.

    I say this as someone who has felt quite a lot of salt about adjustments over the years. I don't prefer how ESO has evolved. But still, I recognize adjustments are necessary.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster . . . when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you"
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  • Iskiab
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    Simple, to prevent power creep. Most of the opinions that you should never nerf things and only buff are silly, if the devs did that people would be one shoting trial bosses by now.
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  • mocap
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    top dps was raised from 60k to 100k for the past two years. Kinda strange "nerfs", don't you think?

    Though they may nerf something, but then they release $ DLC with new sets to overcompensate those losses.
  • Trinity_Is_My_Name
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    Vlad9425 wrote: »
    Cos of all the nerflings on this forum.

    Yep. The PVP crowd has a lot of "Nerfers" that come to the Forum and complain when they can't beat another player using a certain class, skill, gear set, etc.

  • FearlessOne_2014
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    It's pretty simple. Players power creep has been out of control for some time now. And has only been getting worst by the updates.

    I believe ZOS wants to reverse a lot of the power creep. But keep all classes and styles competitive to each other.

    In my opinion this is acceptable.
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  • Raiden_Gekkou
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    Lots of pvpers get rolled by a zerg, see one or two skills in the death recap they don't like, then scream and stomp their feet until it gets nerfed.
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  • Joosef_Kivikilpi
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    Hey guys any ideas why ZOS keeps nerfing everything since 1 year??? maybe they are preparing smth for us? [removed bashing comment]

    "From the ashes of the world shall rise a new kingdom!" -Firelord Ozai

    We're in good hands, people. Everything is gonna be fine. Nothing to see here... Lolz 😂
  • mocap
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    When people are doing 100k dps.They are not doing this on 3 or 6 million dummy.They are using the iron atro dummy ,which is fully debuffed.

    Almost raid buffed parses was before trial dummy too. I can't remember any of them doin 100k.
    Also typical 3kk selfbuffed dps parse those days was around 40-45k.
    Edited by mocap on September 10, 2019 2:54PM
  • Jagdkommando
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    EmEm_Oh wrote: »
    Hey guys any ideas why ZOS keeps nerfing everything since 1 year??? maybe they are preparing smth for us? [removed bashing comment]

    A more friendly (i.e., socialized) mmo.

    No real sense of accomplishment other than...you guessed it....new products to buy.

    Why fix a problem (a challenge due to prior dev coding who aren't around) when you can neutralize everything else by just stacking additional code (which in the long term is not a good idea).

    ESO has a lot of potential that is slowly slipping away.

    The current ideology seems to not want longtime players to have an advantage. Why not. We earned it. First-time player? Great. I welcome you But earn your bones like the rest of us.

    Oh mate... so agree with you
  • Juhasow
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    Well at the end of the day strenght of both PvP and PvE setups is increasing so it's hard to call it nerfs. The only thing that is getting nerfed is uniqueness and feel of flavor of certain setups but the general strenght of the setups on average is not getting nerfed.
    Edited by Juhasow on September 10, 2019 3:52PM
  • Aurelle1
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    zvavi wrote: »
    Its some combination of:

    Horizontal Progression
    Power Creep
    Class and Racial Balance
    Balancing PVE and PVP
    Player Pain Points
    Changing up the Meta
    New Dev Teams
    Changing Game Design
    Making sure players keep grinding

    I leave it up to you to decide which reasons are most important to ZOS.

    U forgot selling skill lines in the crown store

    And pressure from PvP'ers.
  • Jagdkommando
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Well at the end of the day strenght of both PvP and PvE setups is increasing so it's hard to call it nerfs. The only thing that is getting nerfed is uniqueness and feel of flavor of certain setups but the general strenght of the setups on average is not getting nerfed.

    I dont give a poop about dps increase but i give it when it is harder to pull same numbers or dps is just nerfed(which we ha e now) , the main thing is flavour as u said. ALSO trial dummy is not a dps test!!! Dont say that pls, its like noob machine, standing in 1 spot and doing dps with all available buffs in the game. Real dps is 3 mil mid buffed dps, cuz in raids you do mechanics and have only 20 seconds at max to do your dps. So overall damage per seat is +-3mil. Same or worse thing is at dungeons....!
    Pfff dps going high, gove me Morrowind patch with trial dummy and picture will be the same or better(full enchantments on each weapon etc...)
  • Destruent
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Well at the end of the day strenght of both PvP and PvE setups is increasing so it's hard to call it nerfs. The only thing that is getting nerfed is uniqueness and feel of flavor of certain setups but the general strenght of the setups on average is not getting nerfed.

    I dont give a poop about dps increase but i give it when it is harder to pull same numbers or dps is just nerfed(which we ha e now) , the main thing is flavour as u said. ALSO trial dummy is not a dps test!!! Dont say that pls, its like noob machine, standing in 1 spot and doing dps with all available buffs in the game. Real dps is 3 mil mid buffed dps, cuz in raids you do mechanics and have only 20 seconds at max to do your dps. So overall damage per seat is +-3mil. Same or worse thing is at dungeons....!
    Pfff dps going high, gove me Morrowind patch with trial dummy and picture will be the same or better(full enchantments on each weapon etc...)

    Can't remember a single patch where overall DPS dropped. Just watch videos of top-raiding guilds and you'll see the ongoing DPS-increase.
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  • VaranisArano
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    Destruent wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    Well at the end of the day strenght of both PvP and PvE setups is increasing so it's hard to call it nerfs. The only thing that is getting nerfed is uniqueness and feel of flavor of certain setups but the general strenght of the setups on average is not getting nerfed.

    I dont give a poop about dps increase but i give it when it is harder to pull same numbers or dps is just nerfed(which we ha e now) , the main thing is flavour as u said. ALSO trial dummy is not a dps test!!! Dont say that pls, its like noob machine, standing in 1 spot and doing dps with all available buffs in the game. Real dps is 3 mil mid buffed dps, cuz in raids you do mechanics and have only 20 seconds at max to do your dps. So overall damage per seat is +-3mil. Same or worse thing is at dungeons....!
    Pfff dps going high, gove me Morrowind patch with trial dummy and picture will be the same or better(full enchantments on each weapon etc...)

    Can't remember a single patch where overall DPS dropped. Just watch videos of top-raiding guilds and you'll see the ongoing DPS-increase.

    Most nerfs hit progression groups a lot harder than they do the top-raiding guilds.

    Keep that in mind when you watch ZOS try to lower the ceiling
  • Destruent
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    Destruent wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    Well at the end of the day strenght of both PvP and PvE setups is increasing so it's hard to call it nerfs. The only thing that is getting nerfed is uniqueness and feel of flavor of certain setups but the general strenght of the setups on average is not getting nerfed.

    I dont give a poop about dps increase but i give it when it is harder to pull same numbers or dps is just nerfed(which we ha e now) , the main thing is flavour as u said. ALSO trial dummy is not a dps test!!! Dont say that pls, its like noob machine, standing in 1 spot and doing dps with all available buffs in the game. Real dps is 3 mil mid buffed dps, cuz in raids you do mechanics and have only 20 seconds at max to do your dps. So overall damage per seat is +-3mil. Same or worse thing is at dungeons....!
    Pfff dps going high, gove me Morrowind patch with trial dummy and picture will be the same or better(full enchantments on each weapon etc...)

    Can't remember a single patch where overall DPS dropped. Just watch videos of top-raiding guilds and you'll see the ongoing DPS-increase.

    Most nerfs hit progression groups a lot harder than they do the top-raiding guilds.

    Keep that in mind when you watch ZOS try to lower the ceiling

    i know, that most people are slower with adapting to changes...it's still wrong that DPS got nerfed at any pont of this game.
    Noobplar
  • Dalsinthus
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    Destruent wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    Well at the end of the day strenght of both PvP and PvE setups is increasing so it's hard to call it nerfs. The only thing that is getting nerfed is uniqueness and feel of flavor of certain setups but the general strenght of the setups on average is not getting nerfed.

    I dont give a poop about dps increase but i give it when it is harder to pull same numbers or dps is just nerfed(which we ha e now) , the main thing is flavour as u said. ALSO trial dummy is not a dps test!!! Dont say that pls, its like noob machine, standing in 1 spot and doing dps with all available buffs in the game. Real dps is 3 mil mid buffed dps, cuz in raids you do mechanics and have only 20 seconds at max to do your dps. So overall damage per seat is +-3mil. Same or worse thing is at dungeons....!
    Pfff dps going high, gove me Morrowind patch with trial dummy and picture will be the same or better(full enchantments on each weapon etc...)

    Can't remember a single patch where overall DPS dropped. Just watch videos of top-raiding guilds and you'll see the ongoing DPS-increase.

    Most nerfs hit progression groups a lot harder than they do the top-raiding guilds.

    Keep that in mind when you watch ZOS try to lower the ceiling

    Yup. My mag sorc lost 8-10k self-buffed dps this patch. I had worked hard to get her where she was with Elsweyr. Now it just feels disappointing to play her.
  • Jagdkommando
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    Da holy ***, some ppl say they(ZOS) need to lower the dps ceiling... wtf are u talking about, as a 60k+(Murkmire patch) self buffed dps-er i lost 15k now, and i mostly play solo or in 4ppl dungeons (tho i complated all the trials), so they give a HUGE 105k+ dps buff to only extreme Trial players who already has more than enough dps, im just silent about casual players, vCoS?? (veteran Cradle of Shadows) nope never heard....
  • JumpmanLane
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    Vlad9425 wrote: »
    Cos of all the nerflings on this forum.

    Yep. The PVP crowd has a lot of "Nerfers" that come to the Forum and complain when they can't beat another player using a certain class, skill, gear set, etc.

    I agree with everything you said except the term “nerfer.” I believe “Nerfling” is way more apppropriate! Lol.
    Witch up, lil' witches!
  • Deathlord92
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    Vlad9425 wrote: »
    Cos of all the nerflings on this forum.
    This lmao
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