as much as this is brought up about cyrodill, IC could REALLY use pve and pvp versions.

Agenericname

jazsper77 wrote: »

Love the hardcore PVP elites who keep crying a broken record risk/reward.
I’ll keep simple b4 the 1v1 me bruh comes in .

Name me 1 event that PvP players have to do in PVE land and have any risk or loss of reward? None.
PVE players should get the same treatment as PVP PLAYERS.

1. Larger part of Pop = PVE
2. .more ESO+ members =PVE
3. Housing Pop= PVE
4. RP pop= PVE
5. WHALES=PVE

PvP brings nothing but Toxicity,bad performance, bad balance,etc

If they shut PvP down ESO would still thrive. If they shut down PVE ESO would be dead in 3 months.

#JUSTFACTS

That assumes that pve and pvp are segregated neatly into those 2 groups. That however is not the case. Many partake in both activities, I am one of them.

Whether or not I need risk vs reward in a PvE environment is irrelevant. The option for me is there.

If they removed the PvE aspect of this game I would find another game. If they removed the PvP aspect of this game I would find another game.

This "us vs them" stuff does nothing for portion of the game that enjoys all of it.

sharquez

Nope. Your wasting your breath. This is what it is and what it will continue to be.

Rave the Histborn

jazsper77 wrote: »

Love the hardcore PVP elites who keep crying a broken record risk/reward.
I’ll keep simple b4 the 1v1 me bruh comes in .

Name me 1 event that PvP players have to do in PVE land and have any risk or loss of reward? None.
PVE players should get the same treatment as PVP PLAYERS.

1. Larger part of Pop = PVE
2. .more ESO+ members =PVE
3. Housing Pop= PVE
4. RP pop= PVE
5. WHALES=PVE

PvP brings nothing but Toxicity,bad performance, bad balance,etc

If they shut PvP down ESO would still thrive. If they shut down PVE ESO would be dead in 3 months.

#JUSTFACTS

Name one event in PVE land where PVP players cry and whine about the fundamental rules in for that specific content? None.

PVE players do get the same treatment as PVP players, they just dont like it. PVE players are entitled babies. They can learn to stand in one place with a static rotation but the moment they need to block or do content without someone spamming heals for them they are utterly incapable of playing.

1. Doesn't matter, you get every event but 2 and you *** and whine during the entire event. They even have ways to cater to PVE players, who are unable to even have basic reading skills to see the event isnt strictly pvp.
2. More eso+ subs in PVE? That's opinion and it's wrong. PVP players have more reason to get eso+ they need the new gear. PvE players can play without it.
3. Not a point.
4. Also not a point.
5. Opinion, and if you played PVP you'd know you're dead wrong. I've seen more apex mounts in PVP then I have in PVE.

"PvP brings nothing but Toxicity,bad performance, bad balance,etc "

Starting zone chats are more toxic, bad performance isn't tied to players, it's tied to the servers for the company you have your paychecks at, bad balance is subjective and also comes from pve mostly. As you said yourself, larger population right?

If they shutdown PVP they'd lose a lot of their whales and better players. Things like endgame trial guilds would suffer.

#JUSTFACTS

chris211

so many smoof brains on this post

idk

jazsper77 wrote: »

#JUSTFACTS

@jazsper77

If you were really stating just facts you would have mentioned that no matter what is said that no matter what is said in request for a PvE Cyrodiil and IC that Zos is sticking to their guns and keeping PvP in any and every instance of those two zones as they intended from the start. Just stating the real facts.

BTW, I edited out the rest because it is really irrelevant. Also, you seem to be misguided in thinking that your argument is with PvP players. It is Zos that owns this.

I think it is funny how PvE people complain about the toxicity in PvE. We see it in the forums, people complaining about the group GF made for them in one way or another, Especially when they are kicked from a group. Odd how that is.

Cadbury

ZOS: "Yes, yes. Blame each other. Fight amongst yourselves. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

- presses nerf button-

VaranisArano

jazsper77 wrote: »

Love the hardcore PVP elites who keep crying a broken record risk/reward.
I’ll keep simple b4 the 1v1 me bruh comes in .

Name me 1 event that PvP players have to do in PVE land and have any risk or loss of reward? None.
PVE players should get the same treatment as PVP PLAYERS.

You fundamentally misunderstand PVP.

Loss of Progress is how PVP works.
You die?
You lose progress.
You have to respawn elsewhere and run back to the fight, sometimes quite the distance.
You might lose the objective in the time that takes, or you might miss an AP tick because you weren't there.
You can't help your teammates while dead, waiting for a respawn, or heading back to the fight.

There's no penalty for dying, except the loss of progress. We don't even take armor damage from deaths in PVP.

Imperial City just makes the loss of progress obvious because you lose Tel Var when you die. It puts a number on your loss of progress, and oh, how that burns!

PVE players in ESO almost never have to face losing progress in PVE, unless they are super bad at justice system content. That's in marked contrast to how some MMOs handled death in PVE. In ESO's PVE, you just respawn when you die or revive at the end of the boss fight I've lost more progress than that to game crashes in Skyrim when I forgot to quicksave.

So much of the whining about Tel Var loss comes from PVEers who never learned that you don't count your thieving gains till your gotten to the Outpost refuge, you don't count your Tel Var before you've put it in the bank, and you don't count your chickens before they hatch.

If you can't handle losing progress when you die, don't queue up for a PvPvE zone. Stick to PVE. Oh, and avoid guards if you've got stolen goods and a bounty. We wouldn't want you to lose progress.

chris211

imagine complaining about dying in a pvp zone smh little puglings

ManwithBeard9

I would like to see a "troll" weekend event that ZOS sets up, turning off PvP in Cyrodil and IC and you can earn a "Carebear" title from the event.

D0PAMINE

ayu_fever wrote: »

reasons why zos should remove pvp OR give us carebears a pve only instance for sewers and cyrodiil:

1. Because PvP creates toxic environments.
2. Because PvP encourages poor attitudes and immature rivalry.
3. Because Many PvP players disdain PvE players as a lower form of life. “we” are not worthy because “we” don't play the “real endgame.”
4. Because PvP players disregard the wants and needs of PvE players when it comes to balance. THEY think they are more important, thus the impact of changes that negatively effect PvE are “irrelevant.” The PvE players game gets tossed on its head because of the whiny PvP players and their precious nerfs.
5. Because PvP in a PvE focused game kills the PvE game from the nerfs all in the name of “balance.”

#PVEplayersmatter

You're literally doing the exact thing you claim PvP players do

ATomiX69

Sure make a PvE version of IC, but without Telvar, key fragments, no pet/skin drops from molag bal etc.
Getting higher tier stuff should be bound to some kind of risk and or effort.