L2P Issues Making Game Less Fun?

Girl_Number8

Other

To me it's the Nerfilings constant whining and nerf posts that have lead us here. Where you can see that it is a petty revenge post because their class got Nerfed, that they refuse to learn proper counters, and inexperienced players feel they should be able to kill everyone and not die. Basically people that don't know the game.

Another problem with the Nerfilings is they leave out their culpability in getting rekted. They do not bother getting build help or providing any detailed information of where the issues are happening Cp, Non Cp, Cyro, Bgs, etc.

Also, there are players that fake videos with their friends to maliciously go after classes they dislike or playstyles to get the Nerfiling cry going and take more away from the game.

leeux

Yes

I don't think it's the "L2P issues" as you're calling them, but the devs way overreacting to them, what's that causing the game to be less fun time and again for a big part of the population (me included.)

The MO goes something like this:

"X is being used in uninteded ways or is way too effective in certain conditions" -> "Just remove X or neuter it"

There are no attempts to tame the effects of X being poweful or even thinking it might be cool to have some "emergent behaviour" enabled by it, but just add some counter so people can learn how to deal with it.

This has happened way too many times with different things over the last 5 years to go into details of examples, and tbh I don't remember every case of ever occurrence of every X that has happened.

But examples that affected me in some way or another:
"People abuse Blinding Flashes and other sources of blindness" -> "Just remove them from the game"
"People are trolling big masses of players by spamming Blazing Shield and Igneous Shield" -> "Just neuter Blazing Shield and similar"
"People taking advantange of dynamic ulti gen to kill big masses of players" -> "Just remove dyn ulti gen from the game"
and so on and so forth. etc.

Heyodude

last patch dps was in a good place, it was just necromancer that was super op. Not really, just the major vuln from pummeling. Anybody that thinks this patch was to help performance and wasnt solely the reason to sell universal skill lines is fooling themselves.

Hey but if you like this, more power to ya.

Dusk_Coven

Skoomah wrote: »

But then there was larger chunk of the community that was not proactive enough to learn the intracracies of combat mechanics and counters. They didn’t go online and research strategies and tactics to improve and raise their compete level.

Actually I think THIS is the problem.
New players get too much stupid advice. Like how to grind to cp160 fast -- during which time at dolmens and getting carried in Skyreach they learned diddly squat about anything.

And then they go to a build website to get a shopping list. Not having learned how to play their character at all.

New players focus so much on this that they don't even bother reading ZOS Announcements about how to get tickets or make an Indrik during the event -- which was posted well in advance of the event even happening.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Idinuse wrote: »

The whining L2P crowd has literally destroyed this game. Time and time over.

I agree, it really is time ZoS stopped listening to the PvP whine-fest.


All The Best

Rungar

Zerg is the counter to players that are skilled at timers.

They did learn to play just not the way you wanted

Bouldercleave

Other

Rungar wrote: »

Zerg is the counter to players that are skilled at timers.

They did learn to play just not the way you wanted

Exactly! Everyone seems to want to be able to 1 vs X ---- until X wins. Then their class is broken, the other classes / races are OP, the Zergs are out of control, etc.


THEN if you can't 1 vs X, the classes are all watered down and homogeneous and the game is boring.

You really can't win.

Ozby

No

Some people here have voted the wrong thing compared to their comments and so the poll is not accurate, also what an elitist post to begin with. Shame on you OP.

idk

I can only assume OP thinks Zos made the recent changes to make the game easier to play. That is not correct. Zos made the recent changes because they lack the skill to manage combat balance in this game. It is due to their lack of competence they made the game easier to manage, theoretically speaking.

GarnetFire17

No

If try-hards want more people to be try-hards it's on them to convince people to be. I think calling people lazy because they want to have a little fun in a video game with out it becoming some major ordeal taking away from their actual life is a bit nuts. They are playing for THEMELVES to have fun not you.

Deathlord92

Players should just l2p then cry for nerfs.

zvavi

Guys... Stop sweating over this thread, it is irrelevant necro...

Bobby_V_Rockit

No

I dont get it, are you pro or con the game not requiring intense research and hours of grinding a 6mil dummy? Neither of those things (to me) constitute actually playing the game or being fun. Its a video game, not a career.

Casterial

No

Hope ZOS listens to data and not crying