Why are the average players in this game so bad?

hedna123b14_ESO

TBois

Game doesn't adequately prepare you for the required tasks

Ffxiv actually teaches you how to play your role in game. This game does nothing in that regard.

TequilaFire

Other - this is not an esport or highly competitive game.
It is an MMORPG.

WuffyCerulei

Other. Not everyone is a Thicc Thot Tormentor or Godslayer. Most people are casual players.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Bad in what way? Role playing? Tanking? Healing? DPS? Crafting? Etc.

Most people are in the game to relax and have fun. That is the average player. Nothing bad about that.

Hazurko_RaShan

Statistically speaking average player will always be average and below average players are in fact the bad ones. Perhaps the question is phrased incorrectly.

Sandman929

There aren't, you're just super OP and awesome.

KerinKor

TequilaFire wrote: »

Other - this is not an esport or highly competitive game.
It is an MMORPG.

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

Bad in what way? Role playing? Tanking? Healing? DPS? Crafting? Etc.
Most people are in the game to relax and have fun. That is the average player. Nothing bad about that.

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Other. Not everyone is a Thicc Thot Tormentor or Godslayer. Most people are casual players.

There you go OP, pick whichever reason you want to be condescending to most.

rumple9

I'm really bad at fishing

Jeremy

Game doesn't adequately prepare you for the required tasks

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

I don't believe the problem is that the average player is "bad" per say.

The overland is simply a poor training ground so often-times when they enter a dungeon they don't have the necessary defense or offense required.

It's more the game's fault than the player's to be honest - due to it's lopsided design.

Slack

It's the same as in other games / MMOs I have played. I have seen people playing for years and still being bad, hardly understanding the basics of their main class.

You just can't see who is on the other side of the screen, some might be unprepared, some might have just 1 arm, others might not care at all, while others are plain stupid and for them You are the noob, while they spam light bow attacks on a magsorc

JobooAGS

Game doesn't adequately prepare you for the required tasks

define "average"

jcm2606

Game doesn't adequately prepare you for the required tasks

The lack of adequate preparation I feel is the core problem, but I also feel it works hand in hand with a lack of incentive to improve. Even if the game did a better job teaching and preparing players for late game, unless they get into the top content such as vet trials, achievement runs in vet dungeons, PvP, there's nothing to push players into improving themselves.

If Zenimax wants the average player to improve, they'll need to seriously work on the combat tutorials and help section, as well as revamp overland combat to make players seriously use the things they're learning and practicing. No more letting mobs die in a few hits, no more allowing players to just DPS and ignore mechanics, no more mechanics that can be shrugged off.

OlumoGarbag

Skill cap is high

He is clearly talking about housing. And regarding this I have to say the housing skill cap is too damn high. People can't even get the lighting right.
Most people can't even animation cancle their dinner Roleplay animations... Geez

ChunkyCat

It’s a video game, not the Super Bowl.

Agenericname

Game doesn't adequately prepare you for the required tasks

Bad in what sense? The question lacks context.

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

He is clearly talking about housing. And regarding this I have to say the housing skill cap is too damn high. People can't even get the lighting right.
Most people can't even animation cancle their dinner Roleplay animations... Geez

In all fairness the game does not adequately teach a player how to properly animation cancel any dinner animations much less dinner roleplay animations.

TequilaFire

I have trouble just getting a picture straight on the wall. lol

Jolipinator

Because the above average players have below average charisma.

DR4GONFL1

You mean average trial or PVP players... Reasons for playing the game are many such as community, housing, colliections, trials, PVP, achievements and many others. As some people are new and others trying new aspects there is a learning curve and as said above most don't know about gear, food potions and such. Not everyone cares about beating hard content or parsing its a big world.

Gatviper

Game doesn't adequately prepare you for the required tasks

Basically, that above me. The gap between solo gameplay content, and group-oriented content, is pretty large with nothing to connect the two activity sides together. That in addition to all the other various problems ESO has by now (which are for a different conversation), and you get the picture.

Ozazz

Skill cap is high

is this pvp related?

hedna123b14_ESO

Game doesn't adequately prepare you for the required tasks

OK lets be real please, while there are a ton of things you can do in the game, the main purpose from the begining was killing things/people. So when I say bad I mean bad at that - killing/tanking/healing.

KerinKor

jcm2606 wrote: »

The lack of adequate preparation I feel is the core problem, but I also feel it works hand in hand with a lack of incentive to improve. Even if the game did a better job teaching and preparing players for late game, unless they get into the top content such as vet trials, achievement runs in vet dungeons, PvP, there's nothing to push players into improving themselves..

Exactly .. most players (ie. the majority) don't WANT to do 'phat lewt' grinds where the only object is to get loot to do content to get more loot to do content to get more loot .. ad nauseum.

Can't speak for PVP, I detest it with a passion and just wish there was one MMO where the developers don't pander to the PVP whiners and destroy the PVE game bit by bit .. er, wait, there is one such game, FFXIV where the devs don't even worry about PVE being 'unbalanced' as long as everyone is able to progress through the content while ENJOYING doing it .. ZOS could do with understanding that concept, alien though ti is to their narrow mindset of homogenizing everything to mediocrity.

Ozazz

Skill cap is high

Pvp in Eso has one of the highest original skill gaps in all mmo's it's ashamed that it isn't respected by the casual community nor the developers

DocFrost72

As soon as I saw the post I knew who it was.

Maybe what you call "bad" is "average", and maybe it is okay that average players can't complete high tier content like you can? After all, would you want the average player to be able to complete vHoF HM?

cyclonus11

Game doesn't adequately prepare you for the required tasks

Other: People want to play what they want, and what they want isn't always viable in endgame content

Suddwrath

Game doesn't adequately prepare you for the required tasks

With it being an Elder Scrolls game, it attracts players who are familiar with those games and their "play as you want" playstyle. Many new players assume it is a literal Skyrim Online. They can easily do the quests and overland zones with any sort of build, and the game doesn't teach them how to specialize in a role (with skills, gear, rotations) so they take those playstyles into dungeons, trials, and PvP.

So it isn't that they are "bad" players, it's just that they are unprepared and possibly only seeking to play the game the way that they want the same way that they have played the other Elder Scrolls games.

SirLeeMinion

Other: I assume you mean in performing their combat role. If so, I'd argue it's because there are no built in metrics to measure your ability. Take damage dealers, for instance. Until you do your first parse on a skeleton, you really have no idea how poor you actually are. After that first parse, you look at what you did, compare it to what is expected, or even what is possible, and realize you are terrible. That's when you start getting better.

IwakuraLain42

Because the game if extremely difficult to master if you want get past the 20-25k dps cliff. Keeping track of dots, rotations and then still being able to adhere to the strict 0.45 sec GCD the combat system demands is hard for most players.

Unless ZOS fundamentally changes this nothing will change. And honestly, they have given up any kind of support for midcore players with Morrowind.

Aurie

What is the purpose of this poll?

Does it matter if some people are 'good' and some are 'bad'. Everyone who plays games has different abilities and goals. Most of us are 'average', but that doesn't mean we are 'bad'.

Just go with the flow and accept that.

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eklhaftb16_ESO

Average players aren't bad. Average players are, well, average.

Thing is, many people are here primarily for the "Elder Scrolls" part, not so much for the "Online" part. They are not interested in the "Online" content as such, they're only doing it because devs are trying to force them into it with "incentives" (read: by locking stuff they do want, behind the content they don't want). Guess what happens when you force people into doing something they don't want to do? Yes, exactly: they will do it, but they won't put any effort into it.

Don't blame players. Blame the devs. After all those years, they could've finally realized that content-specific rewards are inconvenient for all participating parties. Casuals will be annoyed for having to run content they don't want to get a reward they do want; pros will be annoyed for having to play with casuals; forum mods will be annoyed for having to lock more threads like this; and so on.