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Light attack is OP
Delparis
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In many parses LA is over performing compared to class or weapon skills in this game.
Sometimes doing +20% of the total damage.
When ZoS is going to address this and lower their damage?
@ZOS_BrianWheeler
edit:
Alcast made a guide + test parse with and without LA
https://alcasthq.com/eso-weaving-beginner-guide-animation-canceling/
37k more dps because of LA That's huge !!
Edited by Delparis on August 16, 2019 10:33PM Sometimes doing +20% of the total damage.
When ZoS is going to address this and lower their damage?
@ZOS_BrianWheeler
edit:
Alcast made a guide + test parse with and without LA
https://alcasthq.com/eso-weaving-beginner-guide-animation-canceling/
37k more dps because of LA That's huge !!
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SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Next chapter of "What Delparis thinks is OP"Edited by SodanTok on August 11, 2019 8:51PM77 -
MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Next chapter of "What Delparis thinks is OP"
80 forum discussions made in just over 2 months. We've got a long road ahead of us, God Bless you Delparis and your dedication to the cause.PC Beta - 2200+ CP
Stam Sorc Khajiit PvE/PVP Main || Stam Sorc Dark Elf PvP ||
Stam Templar Dark Elf || Stam Warden Wood Elf || Stam DK Nord || Stam Necro Orc || Stam Blade Khajiit
Mag Sorc High Elf || Mag Templar High Elf || Mag Warden Breton || Mag Necro Khajiit || Mag Blade Khajiit14 -
Diarf✭✭✭In many parses Delparis is over performing compared to Delparis or Delparis skills in this game.
Sometimes doing +20% of the total Delparis.
When ZoS is going to address this and lower their Delparis?
@ZOS_BrianWheeler
We all love you Mate
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TheHsN✭✭✭✭✭
✭In many parses LA is over performing compared to class or weapon skills in this game.
Sometimes doing +20% of the total damage.
When ZoS is going to address this and lower their damage?
@ZOS_BrianWheeler
it should be cuz it is the actual hitting with your Weapon:):):)Plays:
Magicka SORC - PvE/PvP
Stamina NB - PvE/PvP
Magicka NB - PvE/PvP
Magicka Templar - PvE
Stamina Templar - PvP
Magicka DK - PvE
Stamina DK - PvE5 -
TheRealPotoroo✭✭✭✭✭
✭In many parses LA is over performing compared to class or weapon skills in this game.
Sometimes doing +20% of the total damage.
When ZoS is going to address this and lower their damage?
@ZOS_BrianWheeler
Edited by TheRealPotoroo on August 11, 2019 9:43PMPC NA, PC EU
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TimeDazzler✭✭✭✭✭“I’m a noob and can’t LA weave, pls nerf”PC NA
Characters:Aldmeri Dominion Champion - Stamina Warden - AD
Tımë Ðâzzłër - Magicka Nightblade - AD
Ðazzler - Stamina Arcanist - AD
Sugar Deady - Magicka Necromancer - AD
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Tımë Ðâzzłêr - Stamina Templar - DC
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MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Imagine making thread after thread over light attacks in ESO in 2019.
Glad you mentioned that Timmy, I'm here today to let you know a secret. When 1 thread get's bogged down by people disagreeing with your OP using logical answers and engaging discussion, don't reply to them or dispute their point, use irrelevant numbers and offer outlandish suggestions, then when things get out of hand, just make a new discussion! It's that easy!
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/487916/the-light-attack-meta/p1Atm LA is doing too much dps (about 25% of the parse). This isn't good as LA do much more dmg than some skills (spammable ones).
I think this is game breaking as LA should be included in the rotation only to get ressources back and not do that much dmg.
I propose those change:- Decrease LA dmg with all weapons by 75%
- Make LA generate ressources per hit (100 stamina or magicka)
- Increase the HA dmg by 30% and ressources gained by 10% to compensate the loss in dps from LA and make a place for HA in the rotation.
@ZOS_BrianWheelerPC Beta - 2200+ CP
Stam Sorc Khajiit PvE/PVP Main || Stam Sorc Dark Elf PvP ||
Stam Templar Dark Elf || Stam Warden Wood Elf || Stam DK Nord || Stam Necro Orc || Stam Blade Khajiit
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Tyrobag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People in here are crapping on the OP a lot, but hes not entirely wrong. Sometimes it feels like we're weaving abilities into our light attack rotation, not the other way around. Plus if they balanced out light attacks Magicka DW (The most badass of fighting styles) may finally become viable again.14 -
MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭People in here are crapping on the OP a lot, but hes not entirely wrong. Sometimes it feels like we're weaving abilities into our light attack rotation, not the other way around. Plus if they balanced out light attacks Magicka DW (The most badass of fighting styles) may finally become viable again.
Sure, but the basis that LA damage is more than Skills is just false. The reason it's high on a parse is because it's 1 condensed damage type vs every other damage type. Some skills are even split in to 2-3 fields. If you have 10 active abilities, with direct/dot damage that you rotate through, you're using your LA 10x more than every other ability.
If you notice a stam parse doesn't have nearly as high LA damage because they usually use DW front, BOW back so the damage appears in 2 fields, couple that with the fact that VMA Destro staff = bis. You're obviously going to see a high percentage on LA damage. OP already made a thread a week ago, why they made another 1 is pretty obvious.
Lastly, if we're looking at Magicka DW, then something arguably needs to be done to give them more access. Whether it's LA/HA dynamic scaling or a new Weapon Skill line, something is overdue, but LA/HA damage is fine the way it is.PC Beta - 2200+ CP
Stam Sorc Khajiit PvE/PVP Main || Stam Sorc Dark Elf PvP ||
Stam Templar Dark Elf || Stam Warden Wood Elf || Stam DK Nord || Stam Necro Orc || Stam Blade Khajiit
Mag Sorc High Elf || Mag Templar High Elf || Mag Warden Breton || Mag Necro Khajiit || Mag Blade Khajiit8 -
NupidStoob✭✭✭✭✭How is it overperforming? Even if it is 20% of total damage it's also used up to 50% of the time in a rotation. Considering that this needs skill and practice to pull off properly it seems totally reasonable.
Weaving 200 light attacks takes a lot more skill than casting an 8 second dot 25 times so naturally it will perform better. This encourages people to play properly and rewards them for executing mechanics that at this point are absolutely intended and a part of this game.13 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In many parses Delparis is over performing compared to Delparis or Delparis skills in this game.
Sometimes doing +20% of the total Delparis.
When ZoS is going to address this and lower their Delparis?
@ZOS_BrianWheeler
We all love you Mate
This reminds me of The Dictator movie
"What do you want to hear first, Delparis news or Delparis news?"
"Let's start with the Delparis news"
"You are HIV Delparis."6 -
karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LA weaving is a tedious and repetitive mechanic. Its no wonder people automate it.Edited by karekiz on August 11, 2019 11:53PM8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think it is too small damage right now, it should be closer to 30-40% of dps given that it is used every GCD.4 -
itsfatbass✭✭✭✭✭Light attacks used to be meaningless back in the day. A massive patch a couple years ago (can't recall which) made heavy adjustments to light and heavy attacks and how they work/perform. They skyrocketed to the top of most parses and certain very much at the top during actual fights as well. It's just the way ZOS has designed their game and its the way we have to play if we plan to be successful at it.~PC/NA~ Magblade, Tankanist, Healplar, Stamcro, Oakensorc, Healden, Tanknight ~PLUR~2 -
Jodynn✭✭✭✭✭
✭When you are doing a light attack .9 out of everyone second you are in combat, yeah, it's going to be a lot of damage; that's kind of the point.
It takes some level of skill, and furthermore it's so "OP" on mag because vMA staff buffs it, meanwhile on stam it's not even half of what it is.
It's part of the game, get over it and get better at it... It's not even that hard, and don't say using a controller is too hard because I do .95 lps with a controller.Jodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.4 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »When you are doing a light attack .9 out of everyone second you are in combat, yeah, it's going to be a lot of damage; that's kind of the point.
It takes some level of skill, and furthermore it's so "OP" on mag because vMA staff buffs it, meanwhile on stam it's not even half of what it is.
It's part of the game, get over it and get better at it... It's not even that hard, and don't say using a controller is too hard because I do .95 lps with a controller.
Doing 9% of the total dps on like stamcro parse. imo it should do 5% of the dps.
On mag build it should be 7-10% of the total dps with vMA staff. Otherwise 5% like stam builds
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TriangularChicken✭✭✭✭brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »When you are doing a light attack .9 out of everyone second you are in combat, yeah, it's going to be a lot of damage; that's kind of the point.
It takes some level of skill, and furthermore it's so "OP" on mag because vMA staff buffs it, meanwhile on stam it's not even half of what it is.
It's part of the game, get over it and get better at it... It's not even that hard, and don't say using a controller is too hard because I do .95 lps with a controller.
Doing 9% of the total dps on like stamcro parse. imo it should do 5% of the dps.
On mag build it should be 7-10% of the total dps with vMA staff. Otherwise 5% like stam builds
you throw around numbers but dont explain why. you light attack after each skill, so it's used 50% of the time in a parse, its only natural that it will and should have a high impact.
my assumption is that you're simply not able to light attack weave.11 -
MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »When you are doing a light attack .9 out of everyone second you are in combat, yeah, it's going to be a lot of damage; that's kind of the point.
It takes some level of skill, and furthermore it's so "OP" on mag because vMA staff buffs it, meanwhile on stam it's not even half of what it is.
It's part of the game, get over it and get better at it... It's not even that hard, and don't say using a controller is too hard because I do .95 lps with a controller.
Doing 9% of the total dps on like stamcro parse. imo it should do 5% of the dps.
On mag build it should be 7-10% of the total dps with vMA staff. Otherwise 5% like stam builds
But why? All you're saying is random numbers with no evidence to support your suggestion or why you think it makes more sense. Why is your number okay, what makes 7-10% so special or 5% so ideal, I just don't understand why you make threads like this with nothing constructive to say.
No wonder the dev's have a hard time "listening to feedback".
PC Beta - 2200+ CP
Stam Sorc Khajiit PvE/PVP Main || Stam Sorc Dark Elf PvP ||
Stam Templar Dark Elf || Stam Warden Wood Elf || Stam DK Nord || Stam Necro Orc || Stam Blade Khajiit
Mag Sorc High Elf || Mag Templar High Elf || Mag Warden Breton || Mag Necro Khajiit || Mag Blade Khajiit11 -
MrBrownstone✭✭✭✭✭
✭They buffed light attacks because there are people who have no idea skills exist and using light attacks only.3 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MashmalloMan wrote: »brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »When you are doing a light attack .9 out of everyone second you are in combat, yeah, it's going to be a lot of damage; that's kind of the point.
It takes some level of skill, and furthermore it's so "OP" on mag because vMA staff buffs it, meanwhile on stam it's not even half of what it is.
It's part of the game, get over it and get better at it... It's not even that hard, and don't say using a controller is too hard because I do .95 lps with a controller.
Doing 9% of the total dps on like stamcro parse. imo it should do 5% of the dps.
On mag build it should be 7-10% of the total dps with vMA staff. Otherwise 5% like stam builds
But why? All you're saying is random numbers with no evidence to support your suggestion or why you think it makes more sense. Why is your number okay, what makes 7-10% so special or 5% so ideal, I just don't understand why you make threads like this with nothing constructive to say.
No wonder the dev's have a hard time "listening to feedback".
What ? You demand constructive arguments and actuall feedback rather then just purely emotional and amateurish statements ? Are You mad ?!3
