Sad state of the game

EtTuBrutus

Performance is a joke. Literally every aspect of the game is impacted. Canceled events bc of performance issues possibly running new players off.

It's pathetic. All of it. The lack of urgency especially.

Ps4na

Iccotak

well 1 performance is their focus this 2019-2020
I think performance is largely an internet connection issue - the only times I've had issues were due to my internet connection or the quality of the equipment I was using.

Edaphon

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Performance is a joke. Literally every aspect of the game is impacted. Canceled events bc of performance issues possibly running new players off.

It's pathetic. All of it. The lack of urgency especially.

Wow, you must be the first person to notice and bring this up.

Thanks for your valuable contribution!

EtTuBrutus

Edaphon wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Performance is a joke. Literally every aspect of the game is impacted. Canceled events bc of performance issues possibly running new players off.

It's pathetic. All of it. The lack of urgency especially.

Wow, you must be the first person to notice and bring this up.

Thanks for your valuable contribution!

The louder we are the better. You must be one of those sheep feeding the greed.

cmvet

I'm not sure what you are complaining about. I find the crown store runs smoothly with no lag whats so ever.

Grandma

genuinely a lot of these complaints are for places that are in remote areas or cross-server [eu players on NA] or people who play pvp. I live in a pretty dense suburban area in NA and have never experienced anything close to the issues you see on these boards. but I live in a decent spot. and don't play pvp.

zos can't make the internet in the middle of nowhere, nebraska better, but every bit helps and i'm all for a performance overhaul, especially since consoles seemed to get boned harder by this.

as for pvp... *shrugs* i've said it before and i'll say it again; every pvp game is either unbalanced, super laggy, or unfun, and if it's not all 3, it's probably in beta. :P

zvavi

Grandma wrote: »

genuinely a lot of these complaints are for places that are in remote areas or cross-server [eu players on NA] or people who play pvp. I live in a pretty dense suburban area in NA and have never experienced anything close to the issues you see on these boards. but I live in a decent spot. and don't play pvp.

zos can't make the internet in the middle of nowhere, nebraska better, but every bit helps and i'm all for a performance overhaul, especially since consoles seemed to get boned harder by this.

as for pvp... *shrugs* i've said it before and i'll say it again; every pvp game is either unbalanced, super laggy, or unfun, and if it's not all 3, it's probably in beta. :P

Wait... You are saying you never experienced lag without high ping, random disconnects, adds and aoes desync?

Morgul667

zvavi wrote: »

Grandma wrote: »

genuinely a lot of these complaints are for places that are in remote areas or cross-server [eu players on NA] or people who play pvp. I live in a pretty dense suburban area in NA and have never experienced anything close to the issues you see on these boards. but I live in a decent spot. and don't play pvp.

zos can't make the internet in the middle of nowhere, nebraska better, but every bit helps and i'm all for a performance overhaul, especially since consoles seemed to get boned harder by this.

as for pvp... *shrugs* i've said it before and i'll say it again; every pvp game is either unbalanced, super laggy, or unfun, and if it's not all 3, it's probably in beta. :P

Wait... You are saying you never experienced lag without high ping, random disconnects, adds and aoes desync?

Few people on the forums say they have good performance

Never met one in game though

Gotta be urban legends or something

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

I live in a major city and have the highest speed internet available from my internet company. If you are saying people need more then 1gb/s download then sweet Jesus. It’s not the internet that’s a cop out

Casterial

Performance has always been an issue. After soft caps went away the code which was originally made to handle small numbers. (ie, weapon damage cap was ~175, spell damage ~175, armor ~3500, hp ~4500-5000, etc) but they removed this system and allowed much larger numbers to happen which put far more stress on their server.

(uint32 vs uint64) or other things related to their mathematical calculations has to be redone and some could have been missed causing lag calls, or over-calculations which cause memory leaks and memory issues.

Now, this is just the top of it, it goes down deeper, example: Being able to spam skills, adds even more calculations per second to the server.

Further, aside from the server issues performance in terms of FPS is rarely an issue, really. Only vanilla zones have very bad optimization.

The biggest issue is the server performance, not the frames/cpu use.

ZOS is notorious for having poor performance, but it has been drastically increasing in optimization over the last few years and they're hoping to focus on the performance this year as previously said:

Iccotak wrote: »

well 1 performance is their focus this 2019-2020/quote]

However, as he also previously said:

Iccotak wrote: »

I think performance is largely an internet connection issue - the only times I've had issues were due to my internet connection or the quality of the equipment I was using.

I can tell you this is false I ran several ping test not only to their server, but to my host. The latency/ping for my connection was also below 100, but when pinging ESO servers I hit average 350-500.

Casterial

Casterial wrote: »

Performance has always been an issue. After soft caps went away the code which was originally made to handle small numbers. (ie, weapon damage cap was ~175, spell damage ~175, armor ~3500, hp ~4500-5000, etc) but they removed this system and allowed much larger numbers to happen which put far more stress on their server.

(uint32 vs uint64) or other things related to their mathematical calculations has to be redone and some could have been missed causing lag calls, or over-calculations which cause memory leaks and memory issues.

Now, this is just the top of it, it goes down deeper, example: Being able to spam skills, adds even more calculations per second to the server.

Further, aside from the server issues performance in terms of FPS is rarely an issue, really. Only vanilla zones have very bad optimization.

The biggest issue is the server performance, not the frames/cpu use.

ZOS is notorious for having poor performance, but it has been drastically increasing in optimization over the last few years and they're hoping to focus on the performance this year as previously said:

Iccotak wrote: »

well 1 performance is their focus this 2019-2020

However, as he also previously said:

Iccotak wrote: »

I think performance is largely an internet connection issue - the only times I've had issues were due to my internet connection or the quality of the equipment I was using.

I can tell you this is false I ran several ping test not only to their server, but to my host. The latency/ping for my connection was also below 100, but when pinging ESO servers I hit average 350-500.

Casterial

Performance has always been an issue. After soft caps went away the code which was originally made to handle small numbers. (ie, weapon damage cap was ~175, spell damage ~175, armor ~3500, hp ~4500-5000, etc) but they removed this system and allowed much larger numbers to happen which put far more stress on their server.

(uint32 vs uint64) or other things related to their mathematical calculations has to be redone and some could have been missed causing lag calls, or over-calculations which cause memory leaks and memory issues.

Now, this is just the top of it, it goes down deeper, example: Being able to spam skills, adds even more calculations per second to the server.

Further, aside from the server issues performance in terms of FPS is rarely an issue, really. Only vanilla zones have very bad optimization.

The biggest issue is the server performance, not the frames/cpu use.

ZOS is notorious for having poor performance, but it has been drastically increasing in optimization over the last few years and they're hoping to focus on the performance this year as previously said:

Iccotak wrote: »

well 1 performance is their focus this 2019-2020

However, as he also previously said:

Iccotak wrote: »

I think performance is largely an internet connection issue - the only times I've had issues were due to my internet connection or the quality of the equipment I was using.

I can tell you this is false I ran several ping test not only to their server, but to my host. The latency/ping for my connection was always below 100, but when pinging ESO servers I hit average 350-500.

Androconium

Stop whingeing.

You agreed to this crap.

ATomiX69

Iccotak wrote: »

well 1 performance is their focus this 2019-2020
I think performance is largely an internet connection issue - the only times I've had issues were due to my internet connection or the quality of the equipment I was using.

Firstly, no, its not dependent on the equipment youre using, I got an highend PC (more demanding titles 1440p 80-150 fps) with really decent internet (200/20 mbit up/down), to other games like source based games (TF2, CS:GO, etc.) I usually have a ping of 10-25ms with far over 300 fps, on Overwatch my ping is between 30-50ms with also around 150-200fps and on other games I also get results around those ranges, but ESO is an complete exception.
If you go into cyro when its not dead, instant "150+ ping" (feels like 1000+ tbh), skills go out 5 seconds delayed, random fps drops, casually getting infinite loading screens which force you to shutdown the game and if you get too close to a keep where more than 30 people are at, you might as well just close down your game.
I dont know what it is with ESO but it is by far the worst MMORPG which I have played in the last few years, in terms of performance ofc.

Secondly, If you seriously think that those performance improvements will change everything, you might be mistaken, youre gonna see like 5 fps improvements and maybe slightly better responsiveness in cyro, but thats about it.
Dont expect those performance improvement to change this games performance from a 0 to a 100.
And especially since its stuff they cant charge money for, they wont put alot of workforce into it.

AbysmalGhul

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Performance is a joke. Literally every aspect of the game is impacted. Canceled events bc of performance issues possibly running new players off.

It's pathetic. All of it. The lack of urgency especially.

Ps4na

I agree with the lack of urgency.

jircris11

zvavi wrote: »

Grandma wrote: »

genuinely a lot of these complaints are for places that are in remote areas or cross-server [eu players on NA] or people who play pvp. I live in a pretty dense suburban area in NA and have never experienced anything close to the issues you see on these boards. but I live in a decent spot. and don't play pvp.

zos can't make the internet in the middle of nowhere, nebraska better, but every bit helps and i'm all for a performance overhaul, especially since consoles seemed to get boned harder by this.

as for pvp... *shrugs* i've said it before and i'll say it again; every pvp game is either unbalanced, super laggy, or unfun, and if it's not all 3, it's probably in beta. :P

Wait... You are saying you never experienced lag without high ping, random disconnects, adds and aoes desync?

Nope, not less my nets being spectrum. Most the time I run fine outside of the first load screen after a patch.

AbysmalGhul

jircris11 wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Grandma wrote: »

genuinely a lot of these complaints are for places that are in remote areas or cross-server [eu players on NA] or people who play pvp. I live in a pretty dense suburban area in NA and have never experienced anything close to the issues you see on these boards. but I live in a decent spot. and don't play pvp.

zos can't make the internet in the middle of nowhere, nebraska better, but every bit helps and i'm all for a performance overhaul, especially since consoles seemed to get boned harder by this.

as for pvp... *shrugs* i've said it before and i'll say it again; every pvp game is either unbalanced, super laggy, or unfun, and if it's not all 3, it's probably in beta. :P

Wait... You are saying you never experienced lag without high ping, random disconnects, adds and aoes desync?

Nope, not less my nets being spectrum. Most the time I run fine outside of the first load screen after a patch.

I want your godly connection

Gatviper

I've got mostly ok performance, outside of PvP, since I have a stable 100Mbit internet, located in EU so it isn't bad. But even with that I do notice all the time the weird quirks lately - enemies killed far away suddenly end up being near you, or vice versa, sometimes as late as 2 seconds after, and can't be looted due to "being too far away". Weaving light / heavy attacks after abilities fails quite often due to game being bit laggy. Sometimes depending on the zone and how many people in it, casting an abilitiy fails and requires you to toggle it twice or thrice before it actually activates.
Cyrodiil doesn't even need to be mentioned, that is just one sorry mess for a long time already.

So I don't know who's got "good" performance, maybe they're playing ESO on some kind of rocket science big mainframe at work The game is cleary in a pretty bad state right now.

Dosuul

Hope you checked:

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/56681

darthgummibear_ESO

Grandma wrote: »

genuinely a lot of these complaints are for places that are in remote areas or cross-server [eu players on NA] or people who play pvp. I live in a pretty dense suburban area in NA and have never experienced anything close to the issues you see on these boards. but I live in a decent spot. and don't play pvp.

zos can't make the internet in the middle of nowhere, nebraska better, but every bit helps and i'm all for a performance overhaul, especially since consoles seemed to get boned harder by this.

as for pvp... *shrugs* i've said it before and i'll say it again; every pvp game is either unbalanced, super laggy, or unfun, and if it's not all 3, it's probably in beta. :P

That is such a pretentious load of ***. When my ping is over 100ms higher to a server I can drive to when I ping servers in the same *** city for 20-30ms, my connection is not the problem.

Banana

They dont care. Otherwise we would be hearing about some effort taking place. Like the eu server capacity increase

Tandor

Gatviper wrote: »

I've got mostly ok performance, outside of PvP, since I have a stable 100Mbit internet, located in EU so it isn't bad. But even with that I do notice all the time the weird quirks lately - enemies killed far away suddenly end up being near you, or vice versa, sometimes as late as 2 seconds after, and can't be looted due to "being too far away". Weaving light / heavy attacks after abilities fails quite often due to game being bit laggy. Sometimes depending on the zone and how many people in it, casting an abilitiy fails and requires you to toggle it twice or thrice before it actually activates.
Cyrodiil doesn't even need to be mentioned, that is just one sorry mess for a long time already.

So I don't know who's got "good" performance, maybe they're playing ESO on some kind of rocket science big mainframe at work The game is cleary in a pretty bad state right now.

While there are doubtless server issues, especially in respect of Cyrodiil, I don't think it's all down to ZOS. We know for a fact that some addons affect performance (which is why PvPers disable them in Cyrodiil), and someone posted the other day about how much the lag improved when they closed down a Firefox browser window while playing the game. People are often quick to point the blame at the server but they never mention all the other stuff like having browsers open, sharing wifi connections with other members of the household who are watching Netflix, whether they've asked their ISP to reroute their data along the network etc. Even when an issue is directly down to the server, there's always the opportunity to look at ways of working round it while hoping for an eventual fix.

Kali_Despoine

PS4na here
I have lived in Oakland, Ca, Dayton, Oh and now Denver, Co over the life of this game.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE
the game preforms bad everywhere

Freakin_Hytte

Iccotak wrote: »

well 1 performance is their focus this 2019-2020
I think performance is largely an internet connection issue - the only times I've had issues were due to my internet connection or the quality of the equipment I was using.

It's far more than only "bad internet connection". The major problem is that eso uses one mega server and that server isn't very good, it worked for the base game at the start. But now when they have added a ton of things over the years it gets overloaded and can't deal with all the things it needs to deal with and I've heard from others that they also have badly written codes, that they have basically put on bandaids instead of fixing a problem, so the bandaids have gotten more and more, taking up more and more space and becoming a burden causing problem.

I have Fibre and have between 300-350 mbps constantly and I get ridiculous lag especially in cyrodiil but also in intense fights in trials. So it's definitely not bad internet that is the problem (it can be for some, but it's not the reason for the performance issues we have atm).

I really hope that they will get things done and actually fixing things so the performance can improve immensely this year. I how their solutions will work, because I love the game and don't want to quit because of bad performance.

pattyLtd

Eso is indeed in a very sad state.
If they dont fix performance quick i cant see this game surviving much longer tbh, its that bad by now. PS4 EU

Mettaricana

I can clear vma with my 6.2mbs Internet speed its not the internet its the people running this sham not giving a single shred of a f***.

Vlad9425

Here’s the irony, they do all these nerfs and changes to our classes and builds to cater to “new” players yet they fail to realise that the majority of these new players will not stay on this game because of the state of the game’s performance.

Panomania

The thing is the performance issues arent universal. Some of us get great performance....I'm usually 40 to 60 ping, and 60 to 90 fps 4K ultra (no, I do not have that reversed). My system is decent, but its by no means monstrous: 7700K cpu, Radeon VEGA 64 GPU and an absurd amount of ram (used for things other than gaming). Maybe the ram is why I dont have issues? Dont know. But I think its because I dont clutter my system with garbage. I think the issues some people are having are due to background programs, hardware settings or meh drivers...or an ISP that silently throttles gaming bandwidth. AT&T is infamous for that, for example, and many claim Comcast does the same.

RedGirl41

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Performance is a joke. Literally every aspect of the game is impacted. Canceled events bc of performance issues possibly running new players off.

It's pathetic. All of it. The lack of urgency especially.

Ps4na

It feels so pointless to play right now. Console didnt receive the bash ulti nerf so pvp has Zergs just mowing people down. So you get triggered and go to pve. Can’t complete a simple base game dungeon because ads and bosses just spawn in invisible and you can’t see any mechanics. How is this fine? How are you dropping two new dungeons on top of this?

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Ashtaris

Casterial wrote: »

Performance has always been an issue. After soft caps went away the code which was originally made to handle small numbers. (ie, weapon damage cap was ~175, spell damage ~175, armor ~3500, hp ~4500-5000, etc) but they removed this system and allowed much larger numbers to happen which put far more stress on their server.

(uint32 vs uint64) or other things related to their mathematical calculations has to be redone and some could have been missed causing lag calls, or over-calculations which cause memory leaks and memory issues.

Now, this is just the top of it, it goes down deeper, example: Being able to spam skills, adds even more calculations per second to the server.

Further, aside from the server issues performance in terms of FPS is rarely an issue, really. Only vanilla zones have very bad optimization.

The biggest issue is the server performance, not the frames/cpu use.

ZOS is notorious for having poor performance, but it has been drastically increasing in optimization over the last few years and they're hoping to focus on the performance this year as previously said:

Iccotak wrote: »

well 1 performance is their focus this 2019-2020

However, as he also previously said:

Iccotak wrote: »

I think performance is largely an internet connection issue - the only times I've had issues were due to my internet connection or the quality of the equipment I was using.

I can tell you this is false I ran several ping test not only to their server, but to my host. The latency/ping for my connection was also below 100, but when pinging ESO servers I hit average 350-500.

I would say one of the largest contributors to lag in the game was the champion point system. Think about it, virtually every bit of damage, healing, blocking, dodge rolling, attributes, mitigation, or just about anything else you do in the game is affected by the system and calculated not only for yourself, but also everyone you are involved in combat with. That is a serious amount of calculations done every second, most likely server side to prevent cheating. Although I’ve been a supporter of the CP system in the past, one of the biggest changes ZOS could probably do to improve performance is scrap the CP system and start from scratch.

TheHsN

Iccotak wrote: »

well 1 performance is their focus this 2019-2020
I think performance is largely an internet connection issue - the only times I've had issues were due to my internet connection or the quality of the equipment I was using.

Not at all: YOU ARE SOOO WRONG

1gig internet with RTX 2080 32 gig ram...

The result is again pathetic