DOTs

Durham

Are simply to strong as is. Dot builds will be crazy after this patch.

DoT play so much more boring to play. A few year years ago you adjusted a ton of sets for this very reason. Now your going back and just making abilities do the same insane ×2 damage.

MashmalloMan

I don't really see dots as being too strong, the opposite is true. Defensive options are not strong enough. All they did was bring every ability in line.

Yes there is more skills to choose from, but that's it, it's a choice. Good luck fitting all those dots on a Mag Sorc that has next to no flex spots.

Stibbons

Buff healers CP, Mundus and healers sets.

akray21

Marshall1289 wrote: »

I don't really see dots as being too strong, the opposite is true. Defensive options are not strong enough. All they did was bring every ability in line.

Yes there is more skills to choose from, but that's it, it's a choice. Good luck fitting all those dots on a Mag Sorc that has next to no flex spots.

Magplar with purifying light, entropy, reflective light, and soul trap will be strong.

Jabbs_Giggity

Marshall1289 wrote: »

I don't really see dots as being too strong, the opposite is true. Defensive options are not strong enough. All they did was bring every ability in line.

Yes there is more skills to choose from, but that's it, it's a choice. Good luck fitting all those dots on a Mag Sorc that has next to no flex spots.

First, 100% agree that defensive options are not strong enough. Some classes can tweak for this much better than others - this should be audited.
Second, DoT's are very strong on Live and will be much stronger next patch.
Third, changes to healing are absurd across the board. PTS version 1 was in a much better place than version 4 and ZOS should have left it as is with minor tweaks - not overzealous nerfs and changes that make no sense.

I will continue to play Stamina Templar in Medium armor and get "reck'd" into Oblivion until the day after never when ZOS pulls their heads from their asses. No problem. I don't sub or contribute a penny - game is F2P for me and only serves as a "passes the time" now. Sad, but it is what it is. All corporate strategies are the same now-a-days.

"Make profit. Screw your consumers. Screw your workers. Make profit." Rinse and repeat.

Xvorg

Durham wrote: »

Are simply to strong as is. Dot builds will be crazy after this patch.

DoT play so much more boring to play. A few year years ago you adjusted a ton of sets for this very reason. Now your going back and just making abilities do the same insane ×2 damage.

Bleeds are being nerfed while single target magicka dots have been buffed. I don't see much differences, just that magicka got a small buff and stamina a small nerf

Davadin

Xvorg wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Are simply to strong as is. Dot builds will be crazy after this patch.

DoT play so much more boring to play. A few year years ago you adjusted a ton of sets for this very reason. Now your going back and just making abilities do the same insane ×2 damage.

Bleeds are being nerfed while single target magicka dots have been buffed. I don't see much differences, just that magicka got a small buff and stamina a small nerf

so dot stamDK overall is nerfed hard...

should I try going burst instead?

Jodynn

Davadin wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Are simply to strong as is. Dot builds will be crazy after this patch.

DoT play so much more boring to play. A few year years ago you adjusted a ton of sets for this very reason. Now your going back and just making abilities do the same insane ×2 damage.

Bleeds are being nerfed while single target magicka dots have been buffed. I don't see much differences, just that magicka got a small buff and stamina a small nerf

so dot stamDK overall is nerfed hard...

should I try going burst instead?

Not needed but you can, I prefer using a dot and burst build both.

StamDK claw got buffed and bleeds can be potent if you have enough penetration.

You can also run soul trap as it's stronger on stam than mag because weapon power scales higher for stam.

Olupajmibanan

The only problem I have with buffed Soul Trap, Entropy, Destruction Reach and Scalding Rune is that in some cases these generic skills do more damage than class skills.

They listened to magDK problem where there was no reason to slot Engulfing Flames or Burning Embers over generic dots and buffed these skills. But Templar's Sunfire and Sorcerer's Lightning Splash still do less damage than Soul Trap or Entropy.

After some testing, it is noticeable dps difference when slotting Degeneration over Lightning Flood on single target. Good luck begging for synergy for Lokke/Alkosh.

Saril_Durzam

DoTs are not boring to play.

What is boring is that every mag class will play exactly same dots with same effects and probably close to have same rotations.

Saril_Durzam

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

The only problem I have with buffed Soul Trap, Entropy, Destruction Reach and Scalding Rune is that in some cases these generic skills do more damage than class skills.

They listened to magDK problem where there was no reason to slot Engulfing Flames or Burning Embers over generic dots and buffed these skills. But Templar's Sunfire and Sorcerer's Lightning Splash still do less damage than Soul Trap or Entropy.

After some testing, it is noticeable dps difference when slotting Degeneration over Lightning Flood on single target. Good luck begging for synergy for Lokke/Alkosh.

The issue is that some classes have Aoe dots while other have st dots. The ones with aoe dots got nerfed, the ones with st dots got buffed.

Mayrael

As usual, when stamina gets buffed its ok, but when magcika is put on pair with stam we get an outrage.

Chilly-McFreeze

Mayrael wrote: »

As usual, when stamina gets buffed its ok, but when magcika is put on pair with stam we get an outrage.

Why stir things up when you're unsubbed and off anyway? But your statement is wrong anyway, people comlpain about class skills being weaker compared to generics. It's not really stam vs mag.

Mayrael

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

As usual, when stamina gets buffed its ok, but when magcika is put on pair with stam we get an outrage.

Why stir things up when you're unsubbed and off anyway? But your statement is wrong anyway, people comlpain about class skills being weaker compared to generics. It's not really stam vs mag.

I dont see anywere in this thread worries about identity just some whining about Entropy and Soul Trap. So no Sir, I am not wrong.
1. I don't need to play to have an opinion and this has nothing to do with the topic, arguments ad personam are not very good in discussion.
2. I may be back because they have finaly fixed the Shade after almost a year! Nevertheless I love it!

Jodynn

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

The only problem I have with buffed Soul Trap, Entropy, Destruction Reach and Scalding Rune is that in some cases these generic skills do more damage than class skills.

They listened to magDK problem where there was no reason to slot Engulfing Flames or Burning Embers over generic dots and buffed these skills. But Templar's Sunfire and Sorcerer's Lightning Splash still do less damage than Soul Trap or Entropy.

After some testing, it is noticeable dps difference when slotting Degeneration over Lightning Flood on single target. Good luck begging for synergy for Lokke/Alkosh.

The issue is that some classes have Aoe dots while other have st dots. The ones with aoe dots got nerfed, the ones with st dots got buffed.

Better than having no place in a trial because you don't have enough skills

Scalding rune and entropy feels so good, soul trap I'm not using because ew soul trap

Jodynn

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

The only problem I have with buffed Soul Trap, Entropy, Destruction Reach and Scalding Rune is that in some cases these generic skills do more damage than class skills.

They listened to magDK problem where there was no reason to slot Engulfing Flames or Burning Embers over generic dots and buffed these skills. But Templar's Sunfire and Sorcerer's Lightning Splash still do less damage than Soul Trap or Entropy.

After some testing, it is noticeable dps difference when slotting Degeneration over Lightning Flood on single target. Good luck begging for synergy for Lokke/Alkosh.

Use both, and also one is aoe w a synergy, one isn't.

Olupajmibanan

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

The only problem I have with buffed Soul Trap, Entropy, Destruction Reach and Scalding Rune is that in some cases these generic skills do more damage than class skills.

They listened to magDK problem where there was no reason to slot Engulfing Flames or Burning Embers over generic dots and buffed these skills. But Templar's Sunfire and Sorcerer's Lightning Splash still do less damage than Soul Trap or Entropy.

After some testing, it is noticeable dps difference when slotting Degeneration over Lightning Flood on single target. Good luck begging for synergy for Lokke/Alkosh.

Use both, and also one is aoe w a synergy, one isn't.

No matter how you put it, as a sorc you have very limited bar space. Familiar is still the strongest option you have, don't trust anyone who says otherwise. With Familiar x2, a shield, Daedric Prey, Crystal Frags, Ele wep or Force Shock, Channeled Acceleration and Unstable wall of fire, you are left with 2 slots left. Why slot lightning flood when I can slot Degeneration and Consuming Trap, which both do significantly more damage.

All in all, by slotting Lightning Flood, you are punished for being a team player. Should I loose dps only because I want to be useful for my teammates? That's an awful game design.

Stibbons

So the burst stamina meta is over?

darkblue5

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

The only problem I have with buffed Soul Trap, Entropy, Destruction Reach and Scalding Rune is that in some cases these generic skills do more damage than class skills.

They listened to magDK problem where there was no reason to slot Engulfing Flames or Burning Embers over generic dots and buffed these skills. But Templar's Sunfire and Sorcerer's Lightning Splash still do less damage than Soul Trap or Entropy.

After some testing, it is noticeable dps difference when slotting Degeneration over Lightning Flood on single target. Good luck begging for synergy for Lokke/Alkosh.

Use both, and also one is aoe w a synergy, one isn't.

No matter how you put it, as a sorc you have very limited bar space. Familiar is still the strongest option you have, don't trust anyone who says otherwise. With Familiar x2, a shield, Daedric Prey, Crystal Frags, Ele wep or Force Shock, Channeled Acceleration and Unstable wall of fire, you are left with 2 slots left. Why slot lightning flood when I can slot Degeneration and Consuming Trap, which both do significantly more damage.

All in all, by slotting Lightning Flood, you are punished for being a team player. Should I loose dps only because I want to be useful for my teammates? That's an awful game design.

That's historically been the game design? Olde Nightmother's Gaze and olde Sunderflame?

wheem_ESO

Stibbons wrote: »

So the burst stamina meta is over?

Doubtful, considering nerfs to Protective, Pirate Skeleton, and shields.

Sharee

Stam builds were ult dumping and wiping people in seconds. But damage OVER TIME? Naaah, can't have that.

WeylandLabs

Sharee wrote: »

Stam builds were ult dumping and wiping people in seconds. But damage OVER TIME? Naaah, can't have that.

Exactly as a full dot player that never converted to burst. I always thought it was the defile that players couldn't adapt to. Nope I guess it was the dot playstyle that they never l2p.

Saril_Durzam

Played some BGs... god, dots are ridiculous... they tick for less than 1k. On my stamden in MEDIUM armour. Around 20k resist, buffed. Seriously, ive been killing mag players like never. Reach seems to be the most damaging DPS dot, at least on my experience.

Really, there is nothing to be afraid on dots, at least on BGs.

Jodynn

I can still harness through dots from one or two people in cyrodil, haven't tested against a zerg.

Inig0

DoTs bad
Single target good

ZOS_JesC

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