Cloak is too OP a nerf is needed
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BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »
Do you know that you can break stuns in ESO and that there is a CC imunity?
They just joined the forums just over two months ago. I think there is a lot they don’t know.
Instead of asking a question about counters or strategies, they just make assumptions and jump to “this is op, nerf!” posts.3 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »
Do you know that you can break stuns in ESO and that there is a CC imunity?
I dont think he even plays ESO with all these threads he is making7 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
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I dont think he even plays ESO with all these threads he is making
That would not surprise me.4 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »
Do you know that you can break stuns in ESO and that there is a CC imunity?
yeah and that cost a lot of stamina (5k stam) for magicka build you can only break free 3 times. the nightblade will just watch for the CC immunity and cloak and stun till you're out of stamina.1 -
ebix_✭✭✭✭This skill is the first reason why NB is the best class in PvP, free disengage, remove channeled abilities like Radiant Oppression, No dots and let heal and get ressources back
Shadowy Disguise (3780 magicka)- Cloak yourself in shadow to become invisible for 3 seconds.
- Your next attack within 3 seconds will always be a Critical Strike.
The duration needs to be reduced to 2 sec and the cost increased to scale at 30% of max magicka.
This should reduce the spamming of this skill in PvP for most of the case on magblade while keeping an acceptable number of time this skill can be spammed.
and before anyone start, this isn't a troll as I play stamblade only in PvP, very strong very funny, until i tested magblade where cloak is *** OP
@ZOS_BrianWheeler
I play nightblade myself ..
increasing base cost won't solve spamming problem it just makes that ability useless ,disengaging abilities that can be spammed like Shadowy disguise should become more punishable .
for example when you are revealed from shadowy disguise by taking direct damage next one cost 10% more and it stacks like 3times ... because if you pull a nightblade 3 times out of invisibility and they hide again without any cost, it's a little unfair to me .Edited by ebix_ on August 7, 2019 12:45PM0 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
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yeah and that cost a lot of stamina (5k stam) for magicka build you can only break free 3 times. the nightblade will just watch for the CC immunity and cloak and stun till you're out of stamina.
Multiple classes can cast chain stuns and they don’t have to be cloaked to do it.
Cloak in itself does not have a stun. (I believe) a player cannot be stunned from a stealthed enemy if they are already in combat.
I think you are getting cloak and ambush confused. And a nb does not need to be cloaked or stealthed to ambush.0 -
killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Saril_Durzam wrote: »
Ive seen every stamblade or magblade using Cloak in PvP all the time. Apart from those silly cheese tank setups from stamDKs, they´re by far the hardest classes to be killed (they die, just need more effort and proper setup where other classes dont).
Only if you are a potato,nb is one of the easiest class to kill especially when most of them are people that think they are op/easy mode and they just get rekt all the time.
Mageblade also are switching to dark cloak unless they are bomb/gank build and even then if cloak was so good then mageblade would have been the king of pvp but yeah...2 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭This skill is the first reason why NB is the best class in PvP, free disengage, remove channeled abilities like Radiant Oppression, No dots and let heal and get ressources back
Shadowy Disguise (3780 magicka)- Cloak yourself in shadow to become invisible for 3 seconds.
- Your next attack within 3 seconds will always be a Critical Strike.
The duration needs to be reduced to 2 sec and the cost increased to scale at 30% of max magicka.
This should reduce the spamming of this skill in PvP for most of the case on magblade while keeping an acceptable number of time this skill can be spammed.
and before anyone start, this isn't a troll as I play stamblade only in PvP, very strong very funny, until i tested magblade where cloak is *** OP
@ZOS_BrianWheeler
Cloak is fine. But counters are intentionally made as garbages. Main problem with nb very high damage and absolutely no counter for cloak. Some noobs come here and say detect pods mage light, ..etc all are total garbage. Who cares ? Game is balanced for noob streamers who have no skill and need all those cheese. Eso never cared about players. Orc will never be nerfed even it's super op. Same nb, stam dk. Only thing that will be nerfed is mage sorc especially pet ones in PVP. Because no streamers have skill and none ever play it. Streamers are making game balance for their own benefits.Edited by Priyasekarssk on August 7, 2019 1:32PM1 -
Nerftheforums✭✭✭✭✭
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Maybe you just need to, you know, learn how to fight. If you get one shotted by a non ganker you have fundamental combat issues.0 -
NeroBad✭✭✭✭I always find it strange, that shield stacking is sooo annoying it is on a nerf train, but cloak seems for most a fun/not annoying mechanic to go against.0 -
Haquor✭✭✭✭✭Why stop at 30% magick cost.
I think cloak should have a 1.5 second cast time.
Discuss.1 -
Jodynn✭✭✭✭✭
✭This skill is the first reason why NB is the best class in PvP, free disengage, remove channeled abilities like Radiant Oppression, No dots and let heal and get ressources back
Shadowy Disguise (3780 magicka)- Cloak yourself in shadow to become invisible for 3 seconds.
- Your next attack within 3 seconds will always be a Critical Strike.
The duration needs to be reduced to 2 sec and the cost increased to scale at 30% of max magicka.
This should reduce the spamming of this skill in PvP for most of the case on magblade while keeping an acceptable number of time this skill can be spammed.
and before anyone start, this isn't a troll as I play stamblade only in PvP, very strong very funny, until i tested magblade where cloak is *** OP
@ZOS_BrianWheeler
Cloak is fine, I main mag and stam DK and don't have the slightest issue.
You're crying because you're struggling I assume?
Try detect pots or magelight or camo hunter or revealing flare or any aoe skill in their direction, it's not uncombatable nor is it OP.
And also, nightblade are far from the best class in PvP, objectively speaking, subjectively PvP is a living platform because even if you are in "meta" if you're ***, doesn't matter, even then everything has a counter and things are so often overlooked.
This post is just stupid.Jodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.4 -
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yeah and that cost a lot of stamina (5k stam) for magicka build you can only break free 3 times. the nightblade will just watch for the CC immunity and cloak and stun till you're out of stamina.
You mean just like every other player does with every other class ? Dragonknight with Talons and Fossilize or what about Sorc with Daedric Mines, Encase, Rune Prison, and Streak lets also look at Wardens with Gripping Shards and Frozen Gate.
I almost always play a Templar and I'll be the first one to say NB whether they are Stamina or Magicka is no problem for me. Cloak is easy to break, their stun/roots are easy to counter, and they don't need to have their class's staple ability nerfed anymore than it already has been. It's the same as taking away Flame Lash from a DK, Shalks from a Warden, and Major Mending from a Templar *Thanks ZOS for messing with my Templar's healing >:( *
All in all, before you ask for a nerf, play the class.Edited by imredneckson on August 7, 2019 2:10PMLegions of Mordor Guild Officer
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jcm2606✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭imredneckson wrote: »
You mean just like every other player does with every other class ? Dragonknight with Talons and Fossilize or what about Sorc with Daedric Mines, Encase, Rune Prison, and Streak lets also look at Wardens with Gripping Shards and Frozen Gate.
I almost always play a Templar and I'll be the first one to say NB whether they are Stamina or Magicka is no problem for me. Cloak is easy to break, their stun/roots are easy to counter, and they don't need to have their class's staple ability nerfed anymore than it already has been. It's the same as taking away Flame Lash from a DK, Shalks from a Warden, and Major Mending from a Templar *Thanks ZOS for messing with my Templar's healing >:( *
All in all, before you ask for a nerf, play the class.
Am I crazy for thinking that they should officially link forum accounts to game accounts, and anonymously (don't list individual characters) list how many hours someone has sunk into a certain class or role? Would sort out so many of these nerf threads.6 -
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well then lmao because who the *** complains about magicka NBs.
Lol you all are about to be complaining. A good magic NB will rip you apart right now. They have very high burst out of cloak, they have good mobility (concealed weapon makes you run so fast especially as vampire), and bombing entire zergs with magic det lol (btw magic det just got a huge huge huge buff 😉). Do you like dying before you even see someone? Magic nbs can do that.
My wife is doing an emp push on her toon right now and she is murdering people fast and she is getting away like 90% of the time. She has died more to adds death spawning to move around the map faster than she has to actual players this campaign.
Cloak also allows you to dodge ANY ranged attacks with a travel time or any move with a cast time (like dizzy swing). Cloak can dodge ranged destroy moves, crystal frags, snipe, poison injection ECT. Wings was op for stopping a certain "playstyle" people said. Well cloak does the same thing but let's not talk about a magic NB spamming it. With decent mag recovery you can perma cloak as well(even though nbs will tell you that you can't, maybe after using it 40+ times you will be out of magic lol)
The reason a lot of people think NB is weak on magic side is they don't get creative and all try to follow one build someone came up with and worked for them. NB is a class that takes practice to get used to, and btw did I mention they are the best bomber in the game and this forum is going to be crying to Nerf magic det/cloak because a NB will cloak into a Zerg of 40+ and soul teather/magic det/sap essence with vicious death lol. I can't wait for all those highlight videos!
But cloak isn't a problem right? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Edited by Kidgangster101 on August 7, 2019 2:18PM1 -
xWarbrain✭✭✭✭✭This skill is the first reason why NB is the best class in PvP, free disengage, remove channeled abilities like Radiant Oppression, No dots and let heal and get ressources back
Shadowy Disguise (3780 magicka)- Cloak yourself in shadow to become invisible for 3 seconds.
- Your next attack within 3 seconds will always be a Critical Strike.
The duration needs to be reduced to 2 sec and the cost increased to scale at 30% of max magicka.
This should reduce the spamming of this skill in PvP for most of the case on magblade while keeping an acceptable number of time this skill can be spammed.
and before anyone start, this isn't a troll as I play stamblade only in PvP, very strong very funny, until i tested magblade where cloak is *** OP
@ZOS_BrianWheeler
Dude, you need to stop. You are constantly creating posts asking for changes. Why? Just play the game.XB1 NA
Your nerf suggestion is dumb. Learn to counter other players instead of having the game rebuilt to your ability level.4 -
Jodynn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kidgangster101 wrote: »
Lol you all are about to be complaining. A good magic NB will rip you apart right now. They have very high burst out of cloak, they have good mobility (concealed weapon makes you run so fast especially as vampire), and bombing entire zergs with magic det lol (btw magic det just got a huge huge huge buff 😉). Do you like dying before you even see someone? Magic nbs can do that.
My wife is doing an emp push on her toon right now and she is murdering people fast and she is getting away like 90% of the time. She has died more to adds death spawning to move around the map faster than she has to actual players this campaign.
Cloak also allows you to dodge ANY ranged attacks with a travel time or any move with a cast time (like dizzy swing). Cloak can dodge ranged destroy moves, crystal frags, snipe, poison injection ECT. Wings was op for stopping a certain "playstyle" people said. Well cloak does the same thing but let's not talk about a magic NB spamming it. With decent mag recovery you can perma cloak as well(even though nbs will tell you that you can't, maybe after using it 40+ times you will be out of magic lol)
The reason a lot of people think NB is weak on magic side is they don't get creative and all try to follow one build someone came up with and worked for them. NB is a class that takes practice to get used to, and btw did I mention they are the best bomber in the game and this forum is going to be crying to Nerf magic det/cloak because a NB will cloak into a Zerg of 40+ and soul teather/magic det/sap essence with vicious death lol. I can't wait for all those highlight videos!
But cloak isn't a problem right? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's only a problem if your bad; it's not a problem, not even kind of, the only nightblades come close to killing me or can kill me are the ones using the cloak that heals and protects, if you're dying to shadow cloak then you should revise your build or congratulate the skill it took to kill you if you're tanky.Jodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.2 -
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✭✭Kidgangster101 wrote: »
Lol you all are about to be complaining. A good magic NB will rip you apart right now. They have very high burst out of cloak, they have good mobility (concealed weapon makes you run so fast especially as vampire), and bombing entire zergs with magic det lol (btw magic det just got a huge huge huge buff 😉). Do you like dying before you even see someone? Magic nbs can do that.
My wife is doing an emp push on her toon right now and she is murdering people fast and she is getting away like 90% of the time. She has died more to adds death spawning to move around the map faster than she has to actual players this campaign.
Cloak also allows you to dodge ANY ranged attacks with a travel time or any move with a cast time (like dizzy swing). Cloak can dodge ranged destroy moves, crystal frags, snipe, poison injection ECT. Wings was op for stopping a certain "playstyle" people said. Well cloak does the same thing but let's not talk about a magic NB spamming it. With decent mag recovery you can perma cloak as well(even though nbs will tell you that you can't, maybe after using it 40+ times you will be out of magic lol)
The reason a lot of people think NB is weak on magic side is they don't get creative and all try to follow one build someone came up with and worked for them. NB is a class that takes practice to get used to, and btw did I mention they are the best bomber in the game and this forum is going to be crying to Nerf magic det/cloak because a NB will cloak into a Zerg of 40+ and soul teather/magic det/sap essence with vicious death lol. I can't wait for all those highlight videos!
But cloak isn't a problem right? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It isn't even whether cloak is OP or not. I personally think cloak is overtuned and is due for a rework (not a nerf or a buff, a rework so it's less oppressive for those on the receiving end without easy access to a counter, but is more usable for the Nightblade when a counter is used), and still think this thread is ridiculous, because the OP is basically meme-worthy at this point.
They've called out Shuffle, Vigor, light attacks (yes, light attacks), and now cloak for apparently being OP in their mind, while claiming that light armour (strong in some areas, weak in other areas), Eclipse (new Eclipse is straight up broken), Living Dark (still looks like a fairly strong heal, less broken than it was), and Templar as a whole (in a pretty good place IMO, especially coming into next patch since it synergises with DOT's fairly well) for being underpowered. Basically the definition of biased.3 -
CambionDaemon✭✭✭Wow, just wow. Cloak has been nerfed more times than shields.
The only thing that they ever needed to do with Cloak was make it a toggle, so it drains Magicka when it is active.0 -
Jodynn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just give cloak to every class so people can see how not OP it is because LOLJodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.2 -
ThePedge✭✭✭✭✭Every AoE pulls NB out of cloak.
Now think about how many AoE skills are available to you.
Most mag toons are running blockade anyway so if they're still having issues then you can't be helped.Edited by ThePedge on August 7, 2019 2:44PM1 -
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✭1 single or even 2 or 3 cloaks are not the problem. People are right there are counters and every class should have a few unique powerful abilities.
The problem is its fairly cheap and can be spammed, throw in teleport and some other general defensive mechanics like dodge roll, break LoS and immovable speed pots and that will negate every counter except for 2. Detection potions and mark target.
Detection potions dont work bcz NBs always get the 1st combo. Your health is at execute, you've been poisoned are you gonna use a detection pot or are you gonna purge, heal, use a tri stat potion etc?
Mark target requires you to be a NB.
Theres just too much defensive mechanics packed into 1 skill. It was meant for a different game than the 1 we have now and it worked in a different way than what it does now.Edited by Drdeath20 on August 7, 2019 3:06PM2 -
Jodynn✭✭✭✭✭
✭1 single or even 2 or 3 cloaks are not the problem. People are right there are counters and every class should have a few unique powerful abilities.
The problem is its fairly cheap and can be spammed, throw in teleport and some other general defensive mechanics like dodge roll, break LoS and immovable speed pots and that will negate every counter except for 2. Detection potions and mark target.
Detection potions dont work bcz NBs always get the 1st combo. Your health is at execute, you've been poisoned are you gonna use a detection pot or are you gonna purge, heal, use a tri stat potion etc?
Mark target requires you to be a NB.
Theres just too much defensive mechanics packed into 1 skill. It was meant for a different game than the 1 we have now and it worked in a different way than what it does now.
It's not though...
That's their whole class is to get the drop, then just dodge roll, shield or heal, stun, then burst them.
It's not even kind of an issue for me so I find it hard to understand why someone is struggling.Jodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.2 -
Jodynn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Play a magden instead of magblade then try go back to magblade and tell me how much you hate yourself.Jodynn PC NA
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✭✭✭✭✭This skill is the first reason why NB is the best class in PvP, free disengage, remove channeled abilities like Radiant Oppression, No dots and let heal and get ressources back
Shadowy Disguise (3780 magicka)- Cloak yourself in shadow to become invisible for 3 seconds.
- Your next attack within 3 seconds will always be a Critical Strike.
The duration needs to be reduced to 2 sec and the cost increased to scale at 30% of max magicka.
This should reduce the spamming of this skill in PvP for most of the case on magblade while keeping an acceptable number of time this skill can be spammed.
and before anyone start, this isn't a troll as I play stamblade only in PvP, very strong very funny, until i tested magblade where cloak is *** OP
I find comments like this, the entire OP, entertaining because of the glaring omission. The fact OP says nothing of the hard counters to cloak that effectively render the skill useless when used correctly shows they just want the game nerfed to their playing level instead of improving themselves.
As someone who enjoys hunting NBs, and players in sneak, I can say the counters to cloak are very effective is someone bothers to figure out how to use them and actually employs them. To ignore how effective they are as is done in the OP makes it a very false argument.4
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