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Please Give Surge Skill Major Sorcery From Base.
madeeh91rwb17_ESO
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If you want to play with a perfectly tuned skill for no reason.
And mess up power surge.
Be my guest.
But can you please just give the surge major sorcery from base? Or add it to the crit-surge morph as well?
Cause I certainly am not very thrilled about using that skill after this proposed new "awesome change".
Should only take 10 minutes of coding, I'd guess.
Thanks.
Edited by madeeh91rwb17_ESO on August 6, 2019 10:09AM And mess up power surge.
Be my guest.
But can you please just give the surge major sorcery from base? Or add it to the crit-surge morph as well?
Cause I certainly am not very thrilled about using that skill after this proposed new "awesome change".
Should only take 10 minutes of coding, I'd guess.
Thanks.
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Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Makes sense and is fair IMO.
Old functionality for both Stamsorcs and Magsorcs would remain on Crit Surge morph while they can experiment with Power Surge for healers.15 -
rasdasa✭✭Yeh, I second this. No idea how long it would take to code but it does seem like a reasonable request, I mean it’s basically what’s been in game for a long while now and no one was complaining.6
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Saril_Durzam✭✭✭✭No needed. Either use pots or slot Degeneration. Better make Dark Exchange instant, even with some mag regen nerf.0 -
CambionDaemon✭✭✭There was nothing wrong with the old Power Surge at all, this change (along with the other dubious ones in this PTS) just shows that the 'new' combat team is as bad as the old one.15
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CGPsaint✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Saril_Durzam wrote: »No needed. Either use pots or slot Degeneration. Better make Dark Exchange instant, even with some mag regen nerf.
Your suggestions are not even remotely a viable solution for replacing Power Surge.
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Grandma✭✭✭✭✭Saril_Durzam wrote: »No needed. Either use pots or slot Degeneration. Better make Dark Exchange instant, even with some mag regen nerf.
Your suggestions are not even remotely a viable solution for replacing Power Surge.
you... do you even read patch notes? degeneration is one of the best mag dots in the game now. Everyone, PvE or PvP will be using it. their suggestion is literally the meta, and is 100% viable.GH / 3/04/2021 / Elemental Catalyst Necromancer2 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Saril_Durzam wrote: »No needed. Either use pots or slot Degeneration. Better make Dark Exchange instant, even with some mag regen nerf.
Your suggestions are not even remotely a viable solution for replacing Power Surge.
you... do you even read patch notes? degeneration is one of the best mag dots in the game now. Everyone, PvE or PvP will be using it. their suggestion is literally the meta, and is 100% viable.
Based on your logic, if they add Major Sorcery to base spell and Critical Surge morph, no one will use it anyways, because Entropy is waaaaay better source of Major Sorcery. Do you really think so?0 -
Grandma✭✭✭✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »Saril_Durzam wrote: »No needed. Either use pots or slot Degeneration. Better make Dark Exchange instant, even with some mag regen nerf.
Your suggestions are not even remotely a viable solution for replacing Power Surge.
you... do you even read patch notes? degeneration is one of the best mag dots in the game now. Everyone, PvE or PvP will be using it. their suggestion is literally the meta, and is 100% viable.
Based on your logic, if they add Major Sorcery to base spell and Critical Surge morph, no one will use it anyways, because Entropy is waaaaay better source of Major Sorcery. Do you really think so?
wow you people are obtuse. Just use Crit surge for self heals. Let's put this some way you'd understand.
on live you have 2 skills on your bar. Liquid lightning and Power surge. Next patch, crit surge gets better healing, and degeneration is the best dot in the game. lets morph power surge to crit surge and drop LL, because it gets nerfed and AOE damage is bad. Instead we slot degeneration.
Now instead of LL and power surge we have Crit surge and Degeneration.
instead of getting Major sorcery, an aoe, and a self heal, you now have a stronger self heal, stronger dot, major sorcery, and more sustain from degeneration.
do you get it now? if you were using power surge exclusively for the major sorcery then idk what to tell you. That's really dumb.GH / 3/04/2021 / Elemental Catalyst Necromancer4 -
rasdasa✭✭Saril_Durzam wrote: »No needed. Either use pots or slot Degeneration. Better make Dark Exchange instant, even with some mag regen nerf.
Your suggestions are not even remotely a viable solution for replacing Power Surge.
you... do you even read patch notes? degeneration is one of the best mag dots in the game now. Everyone, PvE or PvP will be using it. their suggestion is literally the meta, and is 100% viable.
If this is true, then that's kind of a problem as well, you don't want one skill to be clearly better than the rest, you want them all to have give and takes. If crit surge also granted major sorcery but didn't damage any target it would be up for discussion vs degeneration, which does cause damage. It's that kind of character balancing that gamers appreciate, where both skills have merit, not that one is basically none-competitive compared to the other except for the most niche of moments.2 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »Saril_Durzam wrote: »No needed. Either use pots or slot Degeneration. Better make Dark Exchange instant, even with some mag regen nerf.
Your suggestions are not even remotely a viable solution for replacing Power Surge.
you... do you even read patch notes? degeneration is one of the best mag dots in the game now. Everyone, PvE or PvP will be using it. their suggestion is literally the meta, and is 100% viable.
Based on your logic, if they add Major Sorcery to base spell and Critical Surge morph, no one will use it anyways, because Entropy is waaaaay better source of Major Sorcery. Do you really think so?
wow you people are obtuse. Just use Crit surge for self heals. Let's put this some way you'd understand.
on live you have 2 skills on your bar. Liquid lightning and Power surge. Next patch, crit surge gets better healing, and degeneration is the best dot in the game. lets morph power surge to crit surge and drop LL, because it gets nerfed and AOE damage is bad. Instead we slot degeneration.
Now instead of LL and power surge we have Crit surge and Degeneration.
instead of getting Major sorcery, an aoe, and a self heal, you now have a stronger self heal, stronger dot, major sorcery, and more sustain from degeneration.
do you get it now? if you were using power surge exclusively for the major sorcery then idk what to tell you. That's really dumb.
Just a quick example. Old school non-pet sorc used Power Surge mostly for the Major Sorcery. Why? It allowed you to use immovability or critical pots with health and pop Major Sorcery before the fight even started.
What you have now. Either you slot Degen along with Crit Surge, what eats up one skill slot and needs target in order to pop Major Sorcery, or, you replace Surge with degen loosing the heal and gaining a dot on a burst-exclusive class. Or third option, run Crit Surge and Spell Power pots, loosing the pot heal and Major Endurance buff or immovability.
You act like this discussion is pointless because nobody looses anything, however, reality is completely different.Edited by Olupajmibanan on August 6, 2019 5:30PM10 -
Aurie✭✭✭✭✭
✭Saril_Durzam wrote: »No needed. Either use pots or slot Degeneration. Better make Dark Exchange instant, even with some mag regen nerf.
Yes it is needed.
You may be a pot user, but that doesn't mean everybody is.
Pots cost a lot of gold and you have to keep chugging the wretched things all the time.
Using degeneration takes up yet another bar slot, which we don't have to spare. Sorcerers have the greatest double slot abilities of any class...think Inner Light, and pet-users.
Instant Dark Exchange would be an improvement over the cast time, but that doesn't solve the problem of no Major Sorcery, so we are back to square one again.
It would be a very simple thing for ZOS to add Maj Sorc to Crit Surge. Brutality is on base and both morphs, so it's logical to have Sorcery on all too......and don't forget most Sorcerers are magicka.
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DeathStalker✭✭✭✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »Saril_Durzam wrote: »No needed. Either use pots or slot Degeneration. Better make Dark Exchange instant, even with some mag regen nerf.
Your suggestions are not even remotely a viable solution for replacing Power Surge.
you... do you even read patch notes? degeneration is one of the best mag dots in the game now. Everyone, PvE or PvP will be using it. their suggestion is literally the meta, and is 100% viable.
Based on your logic, if they add Major Sorcery to base spell and Critical Surge morph, no one will use it anyways, because Entropy is waaaaay better source of Major Sorcery. Do you really think so?
wow you people are obtuse. Just use Crit surge for self heals. Let's put this some way you'd understand.
on live you have 2 skills on your bar. Liquid lightning and Power surge. Next patch, crit surge gets better healing, and degeneration is the best dot in the game. lets morph power surge to crit surge and drop LL, because it gets nerfed and AOE damage is bad. Instead we slot degeneration.
Now instead of LL and power surge we have Crit surge and Degeneration.
instead of getting Major sorcery, an aoe, and a self heal, you now have a stronger self heal, stronger dot, major sorcery, and more sustain from degeneration.
do you get it now? if you were using power surge exclusively for the major sorcery then idk what to tell you. That's really dumb.
From the bottom of my heart, Thank you for breaking this down for stupid people like myself. You genuinely have given me hope for my sorc build.4 -
jypcy✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, especially given the nerfs to some other skills, it’s pretty sensible to add degeneration (or structured entropy for passive self healing) to your bar for more damage, and if you want to retain even more passive self heals, you can use the buffed crit surge.
That said, if everybody’s going to be using entropy anyway and getting maj sorcery from that, really no harm done in adding it to surge/crit surge too.0 -
delichon✭✭I agree. Power surge should have Major Sorcery from base. There is no sense in not having it right now.8
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »If you want to play with a perfectly tuned skill for no reason.
And mess up power surge.
Be my guest.
But can you please just give the surge major sorcery from base? Or add it to the crit-surge morph as well?
Cause I certainly am not very thrilled about using that skill after this proposed new "awesome change".
Should only take 10 minutes of coding, I'd guess.
Thanks.madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »If you want to play with a perfectly tuned skill for no reason.
And mess up power surge.
Be my guest.
But can you please just give the surge major sorcery from base? Or add it to the crit-surge morph as well?
Cause I certainly am not very thrilled about using that skill after this proposed new "awesome change".
Should only take 10 minutes of coding, I'd guess.
Thanks.
Orginal aim for these noobs is to nerf mage sorc alone. Good luck.0 -
mateosalvaje✭✭✭✭Yesterday I was thinking of farming Shacklebreaker and choosing the Critical Surge morph for more resource return.I've been wrong before, and I'll be wrong again.0 -
Abhaya✭✭✭✭I agree. I would also like to see a smart scaling functionality like they have done with certain other skills. Currently crit surge provides major brutality but scales off of magicka CP.. dohAbhaya - PC NA - Ebonheart Pact
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CambionDaemon✭✭✭I agree. I would also like to see a smart scaling functionality like they have done with certain other skills. Currently crit surge provides major brutality but scales off of magicka CP.. doh
Crit Surge should really increase your crit chance (going by the name), with Power Surge giving you more damage (a great surge of power). But that's logical, I guess.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Makes sense. Sure there are other things that can be done, but why not also do this? There's nothing OP about Crit Surge having both Major Sorcery and Major Brutality, then the morphs can be either group healing or solo healing.4 -
jypcy✭✭✭✭✭
Why? Do you not want sorcs to have a class skill that offers maj sorcery? It’s here, either way (not my image):
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✭✭✭✭✭dude zos cant allow classes to use class skills - thats not the intention
everyone will use the same loadout of generic skills - the game will be way easier to balance for zos this way!3 -
Jodynn✭✭✭✭✭
✭I agree
While you're at it fix igneous/molten weapons to be not a useless buff.Jodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.2 -
jecks33✭✭✭✭✭
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Why? Do you not want sorcs to have a class skill that offers maj sorcery? It’s here, either way (not my image):
yes ok, good job, but we were talking about magicka sorcerer damage dealersPC-EU5 -
Saril_Durzam✭✭✭✭Any build will use Degeneration so we will always have Majot Sorcery up. Really, guys, Sorc has got plenty of nerfs and youre worried about this one?
Better get worried by lack of good self-heals and survability, plus sustain, rather than DPS which will be okish; not as good as stamina, but good.1 -
jypcy✭✭✭✭✭
Why? Do you not want sorcs to have a class skill that offers maj sorcery? It’s here, either way (not my image):
yes ok, good job, but we were talking about magicka sorcerer damage dealers
Not what your op stated, but ok. If you were using this skill for the major sorcery before, again, it’s still there and still available for you to use as a damage dealer. The healing won’t be as strong or reliable if you do so, but that’s what healers are for.0
