Faction lock killing the game's population?

TexGod

Vivec went from having PVP every single night to late hours, to a select few AD guilds PVDooring the map. It's 10:30 P:M here and there's no one to fight.

Seems like the only time there is good PVP is on weekends now.

Thoughts?

VaranisArano

It helps if you specify your Platform/Server.

Morgul667

Id say performance and bugs are doing a fine job on themselves already

InvictusApollo

Morgul667 wrote: »

Id say performance and bugs are doing a fine job on themselves already

I can't speak for others but performance, bugs, lag, ballgroups and faction lock all contributed to my departure from PvP and ESO.

KillsAllElves

TexGod wrote: »

Vivec went from having PVP every single night to late hours, to a select few AD guilds PVDooring the map. It's 10:30 P:M here and there's no one to fight.

Seems like the only time there is good PVP is on weekends now.

Thoughts?

When elsweyr dropped on the xbox i noticed there were less players in cyrodiil, its aparent on EP.

LuminaLilly

KillsAllElves wrote: »

TexGod wrote: »

Vivec went from having PVP every single night to late hours, to a select few AD guilds PVDooring the map. It's 10:30 P:M here and there's no one to fight.

Seems like the only time there is good PVP is on weekends now.

Thoughts?

When elsweyr dropped on the xbox i noticed there were less players in cyrodiil, its aparent on EP.

My guess is that, with all the new content, and necro. Everyone is grouping up, leveling, BG, and so on. On xbox NA, cyro is a huge ball zerg circle jerk.

Metemsycosis

It's certainly not helping.

I was a true blue, a 100% DC loyalist for the longest time, till bgs, when i began teaming with people id been playing against or had yet to meet in cyrodiil. Surprise surprise. I befriended a few people but now to play on the same side means contribution to premade messes in the bgs or resort to the mini golf that imperial city has become.

(I didnt even mention the etiquette of meeting friends in cyrodiil, like should i not just zerg you but that's rude but what if you could legitimately wipe me and group out with a few bashes but i stood there light attacking?)

In a way you'd think faction lock wouldn't have affected me, as a dc loyalist. But now I have now 1 ep and 1 ad and I'll be cursed i cant use them in cyrodiil except to pve resources and outposts.

TheBonesXXX

PvP pop has been tanking since launch.

frostz417

Yes

Rikumaru

It certainly isn't doing the game any favors when many people cannot play whatever character they want to play or play with all their friends.

Rohamad_Ali

Faction lock removal would not change that from happening

Minyassa

I know that I and three other friends have not set foot in Cyrodiil to PvP since they put in the faction locks.

Integral1900

When I worked for a computer games company about ten years ago the mantra was never to limit player interactions because no matter how well designed or intentioned it invariably resulted in a drop in population. The coding for faction locks though, considering how many potential ways there are to get stuck in a faction you don’t want to play in, looks like it was nocked together by the office temp 😆

NBrookus

Metemsycosis wrote: »

I was a true blue, a 100% DC loyalist for the longest time, till bgs, when i began teaming with people id been playing against or had yet to meet in cyrodiil. Surprise surprise. I befriended a few people but now to play on the same side means contribution to premade messes in the bgs or resort to the mini golf that imperial city has become.

(I didnt even mention the etiquette of meeting friends in cyrodiil, like should i not just zerg you but that's rude but what if you could legitimately wipe me and group out with a few bashes but i stood there light attacking?)

That's crazy talk. It's almost like players with different colors are humans that you might enjoy playing with as well as against.

Borat

Are you sad you can't spy anymore. This should have been like this since the begginning, fair play = fun play

ATomiX69

Borat wrote: »

Are you sad you can't spy anymore. This should have been like this since the begginning, fair play = fun play

There was faction lock at the very beginning of ESO and they removed it again after a few patches.

frostz417

Borat wrote: »

Are you sad you can't spy anymore. This should have been like this since the begginning, fair play = fun play

Perfect example of a delusional person

SKYICE01

ATomiX69 wrote: »

Borat wrote: »

Are you sad you can't spy anymore. This should have been like this since the begginning, fair play = fun play

There was faction lock at the very beginning of ESO and they removed it again after a few patches.

Lol but you could still go any faction if in group

Beardimus

I'd prefer smaller zergs without cheating than the previous alternative.

idk

Most of the Cydoill population left years ago and it had nothing to do with faction locks. It had everything to do with how poorly Zos has managed Cyrodiil and they stay away because Zos is still poorly managed. What is left is a shell of the former population.

Fur_like_snow

NO CP has been an absolute blast lately on PC NA.

Theignson

I agree with OP. In PC NA 30d cp campaign, for the last 2 campaigns (last 40 days) only AD has had robust populations.

After about 10 pm EST EP population drops to almost nothing.

Even in prime time when ZOS claims EP is pop locked, can often get right in with no que.

During prime time AD has appeared to have huge populations often raiding two keeps at once with 2 fullraids each keep. EP can sometimes put up a vigorous defense of , eg BRK, with 30-40 EP; but then AD faction event occurs with 100+ AD; EP has been constantly outnumbered last 40 days.

Last night AD once again had EP scroll, around 11 pm est, we could only get 6 EP to siege Fareygyl, we flagged it then wiped by 30+ AD. Gets old, what's the point?

I do blame faction lock. I think in the past when populations got unbalanced, smalll groups/guilds would switch to their other characters. Now they are stuck on one faction the whole month, and this has been AD recently. I can't thin k of any other explanation.

Marginis

Just for the record, there's more to the game than PVP. Not to say it isn't important and the main thing that some players play for, but "killing the game's population" is a lot different from "players are leaving PVP".

I'd also like to take yet another opportunity to say "told ya so" to everyone who thought faction locks were a good thing back in 2018. I mean, it's really juvenile and doesn't really help anyone at this point, but it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside so I'm doing it anyway.

Hopefully with enough of these threads ZOS will realize their mistake and roll faction locks back, maybe even to a happy medium between faction lockers and anti-faction lockers.

Thogard

Faction lock is killing off hours.

Vivec is literally 2 bar at midnight now.

That’s crazy.

Sylosi

PvP died in this game years ago, the game is down to 3 lvl 50 campaigns, one of which is basically dead, the other two are often pitifully low pop outside of prime and then even with prime if you think locked pop now is the same number of players as it once was, then think again.

And it has nothing to do with faction locks, the population has been pitiful for a long time. The truth is RvR doesn't work as a game mode, so it fails in every game that tries it.

For people bothered about "winning" the match it doesn't work because a 24/7 mode with population/coverage differences render it a joke as a competition, so "winning" becomes worthless to all bar the terminally stupid.

And then for fights it is also garbage, because it lacks mechanisms to create good challenging, skilled PvP, so again all you are left with is super casual players zerging or bads who find rolling face across the keyboard against less experienced players or less organised / tryhard groups to be "compelling", "skilled" gameplay.

So basically it only appeals to people content with low quality PvP & low quality gameplay, which is a small minority when "rewards" are also low.

Agrippa_Invisus

It's easy to heave a sarcastic "I told you so" to ZOS when stuff like this happens, but then you realize you're looking at what appears to be death throws of a community you've been a part of for years and suddenly that vindication doesn't seem to matter much anymore.

I hate this.

Revert faction locks.

Davadin

i saw pop dropped since BETA was release, and since AD won the last campaign, the same groups seem to stick with the same strategy while EP just kinda "give up" this round.

personally tho i'm just enjoying summer.......

NBrookus

Thogard wrote: »

Faction lock is killing off hours.

Vivec is literally 2 bar at midnight now.

That’s crazy.

It didn't even pop lock last night in prime time. DC was at 3 bars for a while and I'm not sure EP ever did lock at all.

I haven't seen DC have a queue in the past two months.

Crispen_Longbow

Theignson wrote: »

I agree with OP. In PC NA 30d cp campaign, for the last 2 campaigns (last 40 days) only AD has had robust populations.

After about 10 pm EST EP population drops to almost nothing.

Even in prime time when ZOS claims EP is pop locked, can often get right in with no que.

During prime time AD has appeared to have huge populations often raiding two keeps at once with 2 fullraids each keep. EP can sometimes put up a vigorous defense of , eg BRK, with 30-40 EP; but then AD faction event occurs with 100+ AD; EP has been constantly outnumbered last 40 days.

Last night AD once again had EP scroll, around 11 pm est, we could only get 6 EP to siege Fareygyl, we flagged it then wiped by 30+ AD. Gets old, what's the point?

I do blame faction lock. I think in the past when populations got unbalanced, smalll groups/guilds would switch to their other characters. Now they are stuck on one faction the whole month, and this has been AD recently. I can't thin k of any other explanation.

Last night was an anomaly for PC NA 30 Day CP campaign Primetime...

1. Drac called off their raid. So there are 16 players gone.
2. Army of the Pact decided to go play in No CP - There are 36 players gone.
3. Vae Victus didn't have raid and went to Imperial City - there are 24 players gone.

So 75 players, which is probably over half the EP population now for Primetime, weren't running their raids.

Tyr was the only EP group running last night. Typically EP will have 4 full raids running Thursdays in Primetime. It was a super boring night last night.

Yes Faction locks are bad and should be reverted. I'm personally not a fan of some of the most vocal Anti-faction lock people but they should have the right to play with their friends whenever they want and on whichever alliance they want.

david_m_18b16_ESO

Its summer guys its as always. Less persone plays since its all sunny outside.

Same thing every years

TheBonesXXX

People can blame faction lock, theyd be wrong.

Performance drove people away, ZOS mishandling of the game since beta drove people away, the money grabbing drives people away.

The fact they still do not balance mathematically correct drives people away.

The fact 1 v X is a shell of itself drives people away.

How stupid CP is, drives people away.

Cyrodiil needs a huge overhaul.