Useless Healer

ThePlayer

Thanks ZOS with your next update you will bring a lot of pvp healers or meta build healers into the random dungeons that cannot properly support/healing other players.
It already happens but it can only get worse.
The game classes must be respected, you can't change everything because you want to sell the skill lines.
My char healer will be healer 100% always and not some sort of meaningless hybrid in the game.
Then who said that the healer class is boring?

Hetaira

I can't think of a single dungeon I've ever run that all I had to do was heal. Ya, heal checks on some of the harder bosses in VetDLC content, but even then it's only for a few seconds then it's back to only have to spend around a quarter of my time healing.

Aznarb

Hetaira wrote: »

I can't think of a single dungeon I've ever run that all I had to do was heal. Ya, heal checks on some of the harder bosses in VetDLC content, but even then it's only for a few seconds then it's back to only have to spend around a quarter of my time healing.

Agree, even in most DLC you can heal only with combat prayer.
The problem with healing gonna be in some specific vTrial like vSS, vMoL, vHoF.
For the rest of content heal is enough, is even more convenient since we can just drop the Illustrious healing and focus more on buff/debuff ressource.

Otherwise, yeah, we are less needed since the buff of vigor, but they said n the last patch than it's too powerful (how what a surprise) and probably gonna get some adjustment.
So it ok I guess.
Only vTrial are gonna be a problem imho is they don't up heal a little bit on aoe one.

Grandma

vraids are screwed. things like vbrp, vhof, vss- the last 2 hard modes literally are impossible currently - are no longer content anyone who thinks they're good can run. Mag builds have 0 space in the next meta. healers neither. All dps will be stam with vigor, or stamsorcs with vigor and surge. the only mag character that MIGHT have a chance of being able to do any hard content will be magsorcs, but even surge isn't enough.

TheInfernalRage

Have you not heard? ZOS is radically removing the Healer Role and spreading its basic functionality to class skills. Now, that's diversity.

starkerealm

If you'd tried healing on PTS, you'd find it's actually easier to manage now. The changes move healers away from spamming balls and springs until your hand seizes up from an RSI.

Yeah, if all you know how to do is spam springs, this is a dark day for you. If you understand how to actually play the role, it's a significant improvement across the board.

mikemacon

starkerealm wrote: »

If you'd tried healing on PTS, you'd find it's actually easier to manage now. The changes move healers away from spamming balls and springs until your hand seizes up from an RSI.

Yeah, if all you know how to do is spam springs, this is a dark day for you. If you understand how to actually play the role, it's a significant improvement across the board.

Yep.

That's been my experience.

What everybody is whining about is trying to shoehorn the current meta into the new reality. Yeah...that definitely doesn't go very well.

But, if you embrace the changes for what they are, you discover that the sky is not, in fact, falling.

PLUS, people are very, very bad at reading comprehension and understanding context.

ZOS is not done with the balance passes.

The first one was racial passives.

This patch, it's combat.

They haven't actually truly audited classes yet.

Take a deep breath.

It'll be okay.

Heelie

starkerealm wrote: »

If you'd tried healing on PTS, you'd find it's actually easier to manage now. The changes move healers away from spamming balls and springs until your hand seizes up from an RSI.

Yeah, if all you know how to do is spam springs, this is a dark day for you. If you understand how to actually play the role, it's a significant improvement across the board.

All the competitive end game healers, as well as the vast majority of veteran trial healers have said the exact opposite. Specially since the overall potential healing output is significantly reduced. Top 5 guilds might not have that big of a problem healing through content. But most progression groups will have problems with several of the healing checks.

peacenote

starkerealm wrote: »

If you'd tried healing on PTS, you'd find it's actually easier to manage now. The changes move healers away from spamming balls and springs until your hand seizes up from an RSI.

Since I have never actually healed in such a boring repetitive manner, I personally am saddened by the fact that I am losing the flexibility to cast my abilities multiple times in different directions in order to handle a variety of scenarios, or selectively stack heals when the situation warrants especially high healing output. Of course it's "easier" to manage if there are less options but... how is having less options a good thing for the role?

No, the sky isn't falling and yes, many healers will be able to adapt... if they want to. The question in my mind is whether those of us who truly enjoy the current diversity and flexibility of the healing role today will bother.

Ironically, I primarily play a healing role (I have three healers) because I have a RSI and I can't handle the light attack DPS meta. If spamming balls and springs was truly required as a healer I would have had to switch to attempting to main as a tank a long time ago.

danara

ThePlayer wrote: »

Thanks ZOS with your next update you will bring a lot of pvp healers or meta build healers into the random dungeons that cannot properly support/healing other players.
It already happens but it can only get worse.
The game classes must be respected, you can't change everything because you want to sell the skill lines.
My char healer will be healer 100% always and not some sort of meaningless hybrid in the game.
Then who said that the healer class is boring?

Well, it s not like if healers are not required in 90% of the content... Even some HM are easier with 3 dd (Fang Lair, March of Sacrifice)

They have to rzduce the potency of self healing to make healers relevant, what is the point to have someone Who can take care of you if you can hit the boss like a truck and have a better heal alone ?

mocap

starkerealm wrote: »

If you'd tried healing on PTS, you'd find it's actually easier to manage now. The changes move healers away from spamming balls and springs until your hand seizes up from an RSI.

Yeah, if all you know how to do is spam springs, this is a dark day for you. If you understand how to actually play the role, it's a significant improvement across the board.

you talk about static groups. PUG groups, when one DD stands there and second DD stands miles away over there, PTS changes will make healing such group a real pain and more like BoL/Matriach spam.

kargen27

mocap wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

If you'd tried healing on PTS, you'd find it's actually easier to manage now. The changes move healers away from spamming balls and springs until your hand seizes up from an RSI.

Yeah, if all you know how to do is spam springs, this is a dark day for you. If you understand how to actually play the role, it's a significant improvement across the board.

you talk about static groups. PUG groups, when one DD stands there and second DD stands miles away over there, PTS changes will make healing such group a real pain and more like BoL/Matriach spam.

Tell the guy if you stand miles away you're going to have a bad time.

danara

mocap wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

If you'd tried healing on PTS, you'd find it's actually easier to manage now. The changes move healers away from spamming balls and springs until your hand seizes up from an RSI.

Yeah, if all you know how to do is spam springs, this is a dark day for you. If you understand how to actually play the role, it's a significant improvement across the board.

you talk about static groups. PUG groups, when one DD stands there and second DD stands miles away over there, PTS changes will make healing such group a real pain and more like BoL/Matriach spam.

Actually it ll be more a combat prayer spam than BoL 😂

mocap

kargen27 wrote: »

Tell the guy if you stand miles away you're going to have a bad time.

PUG is PUG. Reaction to such notes can be devastating, especially from tolerant EU players. Most of good advices you give to them usually end with:
- OMG, it's just a game
- don't be that rude
- I'm out, can't play with such elitist "teachers"

and blablabla...

Koensol

starkerealm wrote: »

If you'd tried healing on PTS, you'd find it's actually easier to manage now. The changes move healers away from spamming balls and springs until your hand seizes up from an RSI.

Yeah, if all you know how to do is spam springs, this is a dark day for you. If you understand how to actually play the role, it's a significant improvement across the board.

This is a flawed comment, and makes little sense in the bigger picture. There are fights where your group is spread out, tank on one side, dds on other side, doing mechanics or simply spreading to stay away from the ridiculous amount of rng AoE effects on the ground. GL with only 1 orb

Aznarb

danara wrote: »

ThePlayer wrote: »

Thanks ZOS with your next update you will bring a lot of pvp healers or meta build healers into the random dungeons that cannot properly support/healing other players.
It already happens but it can only get worse.
The game classes must be respected, you can't change everything because you want to sell the skill lines.
My char healer will be healer 100% always and not some sort of meaningless hybrid in the game.
Then who said that the healer class is boring?

Well, it s not like if healers are not required in 90% of the content... Even some HM are easier with 3 dd (Fang Lair, March of Sacrifice)

They have to rzduce the potency of self healing to make healers relevant, what is the point to have someone Who can take care of you if you can hit the boss like a truck and have a better heal alone ?

100% this.

kargen27

mocap wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Tell the guy if you stand miles away you're going to have a bad time.

PUG is PUG. Reaction to such notes can be devastating, especially from tolerant EU players. Most of good advices you give to them usually end with:
- OMG, it's just a game
- don't be that rude
- I'm out, can't play with such elitist "teachers"

and blablabla...

Either way problem is solved.

I will make an effort to keep them alive unless they are being really obnoxious but they are not a top priority. Usually I tell them one time they should try and stay in front of the healer so I can keep them alive. If they react negatively I won't just quit healing them because that isn't fair to the rest of the group but they do become lowest priority.

Linaleah

kargen27 wrote: »

mocap wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

If you'd tried healing on PTS, you'd find it's actually easier to manage now. The changes move healers away from spamming balls and springs until your hand seizes up from an RSI.

Yeah, if all you know how to do is spam springs, this is a dark day for you. If you understand how to actually play the role, it's a significant improvement across the board.

you talk about static groups. PUG groups, when one DD stands there and second DD stands miles away over there, PTS changes will make healing such group a real pain and more like BoL/Matriach spam.

Tell the guy if you stand miles away you're going to have a bad time.

becasue they will listen and comply of course, right? right?

my options as a healer are let people die to make my point and then deal with subsequent abuse, or just get on with a pug and heal through as much stupid as i can manage.

with new changes? my nighblade, DK and sorc are going to have very bad time which is not fun at all. (no idea about necro, mine is still lvl 15, leveling their horse and will continue to level their horse for few more months in order for me not be annoyed when playing them)

Linaleah

danara wrote: »

ThePlayer wrote: »

Thanks ZOS with your next update you will bring a lot of pvp healers or meta build healers into the random dungeons that cannot properly support/healing other players.
It already happens but it can only get worse.
The game classes must be respected, you can't change everything because you want to sell the skill lines.
My char healer will be healer 100% always and not some sort of meaningless hybrid in the game.
Then who said that the healer class is boring?

Well, it s not like if healers are not required in 90% of the content... Even some HM are easier with 3 dd (Fang Lair, March of Sacrifice)

They have to rzduce the potency of self healing to make healers relevant, what is the point to have someone Who can take care of you if you can hit the boss like a truck and have a better heal alone ?

if they are trying to make healers more relevant, they are sure going about it in a very strange way, since these new changes are making healers LESS relevant. i mean.,.. why bring a healer, when you can just have dps slot an orb, self heal and get everything done much faster?

Sn1per0

This post reminds me of when they changed BoL to heal one less person. Oh was the sky falling back then. But in reality it didnt change much.

Stebarnz

I NEVER want a healer in my random dungeon!

Good move ZOS get the healers outta here! L2DPS

SassiestAssassin

Sn1per0 wrote: »

This post reminds me of when they changed BoL to heal one less person. Oh was the sky falling back then. But in reality it didnt change much.

This is not a class nerf, this is a ROLE nerf. Healers of all classes are getting (at least somewhat) effected by this. And non-meta healers are totally SoL.

The sky may not be falling, but there’s a big change coming for us healers.

Stebarnz

[/quote] 'This is not a class nerf, this is a ROLE nerf. Healers of all classes are getting (at least somewhat) effected by this. And non-meta healers are totally SoL.

The sky may not be falling, but there’s a big change coming for us healers.[/quote]

Is the only content you run vet trials? if yes then ok main a healer but for ALL other content a healer is simply not required.

What the hell is a non meta healer? sounds like a wasted group slot to me.

SassiestAssassin

@Stebarnz
I’m... not sure what your issue with my comment was?

I never said that a healer is 100% needed outside of vet trials. But to say there’s no need for healers is a vast overstatement.

Maybe your group doesn’t need a healer, but newbies starting vet dungeons? Anything that has a big heal check? Anything that isn’t totally organized, where people make any mistakes, where not everyone knows what they’re doing? Also, if we’re not needed at all, how are we contributing to over-performance in PvP?

IMO, It’s more of an issue on ZOS’ end that the content they design doesn’t make full use of healers, not on the healer’s end.

I have no idea if you’re being sarcastic or not, but Non-meta healers are anyone who’s not a Templar/Warden because of lack of class healing skills, they were more dependent on Resto skill line.

People play outside meta because you know... it’s a game. For fun. Because they were told ‘Any class can play any role.’

Same reason why people play healers: it’s offered by the game and it’s a fun challenge. (Have you healed through the clone boss in vDoM? It’s awesome.)

And yeah, I also heal for my friends’ vet dungeon achievement runs.

Also I don’t DPS because learning rotations is boring to me. You don’t like healing as a role(?).To each their own, may we all find joy in this game where we can play cat people and elves.

iLLcrime

Stebarnz wrote: »

'This is not a class nerf, this is a ROLE nerf. Healers of all classes are getting (at least somewhat) effected by this. And non-meta healers are totally SoL.

The sky may not be falling, but there’s a big change coming for us healers.[/quote]

Is the only content you run vet trials? if yes then ok main a healer but for ALL other content a healer is simply not required.

What the hell is a non meta healer? sounds like a wasted group slot to me.[/quote]

Yep, pretty much all that was left to do that I enjoyed.

LuxLunae

ThePlayer wrote: »

Thanks ZOS with your next update you will bring a lot of pvp healers or meta build healers into the random dungeons that cannot properly support/healing other players.
It already happens but it can only get worse.
The game classes must be respected, you can't change everything because you want to sell the skill lines.
My char healer will be healer 100% always and not some sort of meaningless hybrid in the game.
Then who said that the healer class is boring?

"cannot properly support/healing other players"....

EVERY PLAYER HEALING FOR HIMSELF!!!!

DLM

Stebarnz wrote: »

Is the only content you run vet trials? if yes then ok main a healer but for ALL other content a healer is simply not required.

Tell that to the PUG I was running vet Frostvault yesterday. They wouldn't have gone far without heals.

Aznarb

LuxLunae wrote: »

ThePlayer wrote: »

Thanks ZOS with your next update you will bring a lot of pvp healers or meta build healers into the random dungeons that cannot properly support/healing other players.
It already happens but it can only get worse.
The game classes must be respected, you can't change everything because you want to sell the skill lines.
My char healer will be healer 100% always and not some sort of meaningless hybrid in the game.
Then who said that the healer class is boring?

"cannot properly support/healing other players"....

EVERY PLAYER HEALING FOR HIMSELF!!!!

Yeah, and if you still don't have understand, THIS is the main problem.
It's because of this than healer are NOT need in 90% of the content.

Stebarnz

DLM wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Is the only content you run vet trials? if yes then ok main a healer but for ALL other content a healer is simply not required.

Tell that to the PUG I was running vet Frostvault yesterday. They wouldn't have gone far without heals.

PUG dlc vet content in 2019...… no thanks

LuxLunae

Stebarnz wrote: »

DLM wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Is the only content you run vet trials? if yes then ok main a healer but for ALL other content a healer is simply not required.

Tell that to the PUG I was running vet Frostvault yesterday. They wouldn't have gone far without heals.

PUG dlc vet content in 2019...… no thanks

can we pug..still need vMoL ...i only do 30k dps...can't make the 35k requirement as of now but... i can res u with full health...think about that!!

Stebarnz

LuxLunae wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

DLM wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Is the only content you run vet trials? if yes then ok main a healer but for ALL other content a healer is simply not required.

Tell that to the PUG I was running vet Frostvault yesterday. They wouldn't have gone far without heals.

PUG dlc vet content in 2019...… no thanks

can we pug..still need vMoL ...i only do 30k dps...can't make the 35k requirement as of now but... i can res u with full health...think about that!!

you can PUG all you want for VET content, its just I don't like playing this game to get frustrated but if pulling your hair out and wasting your time is your thing then sweet, GOOOOOOOOOOO for it!