Why do some players think 1vX is cheating?

StaticWave

I'm mostly a solo pvper, and I've had my fair share of 1vX fights. I rarely get whispers, but when I do, it's often accuses of macros or cheating. I have friends who've received far more whispers. I don't really understand how some players think it's cheating when their group lost to 1 person. I mean, if those players use the same build as the 1vXer, it's not guaranteed that they will perform at the same level right?

TequilaFire

Nothing against solo players, but the 1vX crowd seems to attract the most toxic of PvP players, not all there are also some very good ones but for the most they just see other players as potatoes and choose and pick the fights for good YouTube vids.
Awaiting the usual zergling insult. lmao

Arciris

TequilaFire wrote: »

Nothing against solo players, but the 1vX crowd seems to attract the most toxic of PvP players, not all there are also some very good ones but for the most they just see other players as potatoes and choose and pick the fights for good YouTube vids.
Awaiting the usual zergling insult. lmao

Agree with that and in 1vX you've got 1 guy that is happy versus X guys that aren't, simply because nobody likes to loose.
And since numerically 1< X, that makes for far more people that are angry/dislike 1vX than people that are happy about it.

killimandrosb16_ESO

TequilaFire wrote: »

Nothing against solo players, but the 1vX crowd seems to attract the most toxic of PvP players, not all there are also some very good ones but for the most they just see other players as potatoes and choose and pick the fights for good YouTube vids.
Awaiting the usual zergling insult. lmao

How many 1vx'ers are on the delivering end of toxic messages and how many are on the receiving end? I will help you do the math; 1% vs 99%. If you have any toxic messages sent you by real 1vx players, not players running alone in a zerg, I would like to see them, because I have never experienced that in my time since playing beta. Yes, that is a challenge. If you cant deliver, I call you a liar.

NinchiTV

Its frustrating. On xbox most zerglings are at 30k HP and probably 30k resistances and they build for tanking and healing. You used to be able to 1vx a hell of a lot easier when the meta was 20k hp like...5 years ago. But i guess people got embarrassed and decided they dont want to die anymore.

VaranisArano

I don't mind 1vXers. I just don't care to indulge them.

So if I'm with PUGs who play like potatoes, I'm cringing as they let themselves follow into LOS issues and let themselves get pulled apart and killed one by one. I'm hanging back, healing, doing damage, not going into obvious traps, and steadily getting bored watching a bunch of my allies die because they can't kill one guy.

If I'm with my regular guild with players who know how to deal with 1vXers, the fight doesnt last long enough to be called a 1vX. Then we get the whisper "You zerged me..." And its like "Duh? A solo player picked a fight with a guild. What did you expect?"

I can say the same thing about small groups that tower farm.

ATomiX69

Because they are the X that somehow looses.

KoultouraS

Once you realize that you need people to play this game with, and you can not enjoy whatever ESO has to offer alone, you will get your answer...

brandonv516

Many likely look at it like showboating, even though running solo is a preferred play style.

If I lose I get t-bagged, if I win I get messaged. I try to practice restraint to not give in but you know how that goes...

killimandrosb16_ESO

VaranisArano wrote: »

I don't mind 1vXers. I just don't care to indulge them.

So if I'm with PUGs who play like potatoes, I'm cringing as they let themselves follow into LOS issues and let themselves get pulled apart and killed one by one. I'm hanging back, healing, doing damage, not going into obvious traps, and steadily getting bored watching a bunch of my allies die because they can't kill one guy.

If I'm with my regular guild with players who know how to deal with 1vXers, the fight doesnt last long enough to be called a 1vX. Then we get the whisper "You zerged me..." And its like "Duh? A solo player picked a fight with a guild. What did you expect?"

I can say the same thing about small groups that tower farm.

Still, you zerged them down. When you grow a pair youll try to duel them. Youll die a lot, but eventually you will be better. If you whisper them for a duel, youll find theyre very positive to that and will most likely give you advice and tips.

rfennell_ESO

StaticWave wrote: »

I'm mostly a solo pvper, and I've had my fair share of 1vX fights. I rarely get whispers, but when I do, it's often accuses of macros or cheating. I have friends who've received far more whispers. I don't really understand how some players can dislike the playstyle. I mean, it's basically just 1 player fighting solo. A lot of the 1vX fights happen because people come to them. I've had many occasions where a zerg literally chased me down across the map when I accidentally ran into them. What do you guys think about 1vX?

All you need to know about your topic will be covered by the "small scaler" responses in thread.

BoraxFlux

A bomber with a lot of patience for the right moment in a taken outpost at the wayshrine, while repairing a door, or at a flipping resource.
A ganker using a dead enemy as a honey-pot.
Best memory: a year ago, a stamina warden 1 vs 7 with excellent line of sight fighting, interrupting at the right moments and killed all of us.

Some players make 1vs X look like it is a walk in the park. Whether on our side or a player of any other alliance, despite the annoyance of being killed, i can appreciate the skills and the deviousness tremendously.

Luigi_Vampa

When you beat five other players they feel inadequate. That's really all there is to it.

yodased

No one is winning a 1v5 or a 1v10.

They are simply smarter than their opponents and turning it into multiple 1v1 or 1v2 manageable situations. If they opponents they were facing stopped chasing them around rocks, into choke points, around towers and trees and stopped to think about how they could counter, they wouldn't be picked off.

It's annoying a.f. to chase someone around a tree for 30 minutes as they pick off your friends, and it's easier to get mad at the person running around said tree than it is to look inward and figure out why you let them.

Gilvoth

i love 1 v X
i have never met anyone who does not like 1 v X
its exciting and Adrenalin rush to attack a group of people.

the question this thread OP is asking, (in my opinion) is the wrong question.
the question should be worded differently.
from the looks of it.

MojaveHeld

For a lot of players, it's really difficult to tell the difference between a skilled 1vxer and a cheating 1vxer. It doesn't help that many of those who have posted popular videos of 1vxing have been caught actually cheating at some point. There are certainly skilled 1vxers out there, but a good chunk of them are also toxic , cheating, or constantly exploiting. So the legit ones don't get the benefit of the doubt from many players, as a lot of people just assume that if something seems fishy, the 1vxer isn't legit. I know I used to be like that, when I was newer to PvP. Now, I understand everything well enough that's it's typically easy to tell if a 1vxer I encounter is legit or cheating/exploiting. For many players, though, they just assume the worst when they encounter that.

Gilvoth

MojaveHeld wrote: »

For a lot of players, it's really difficult to tell the difference between a skilled 1vxer and a cheating 1vxer. It doesn't help that many of those who have posted popular videos of 1vxing have been caught actually cheating at some point. There are certainly skilled 1vxers out there, but a good chunk of them are also toxic , cheating, or constantly exploiting. So the legit ones don't get the benefit of the doubt from many players, as a lot of people just assume that if something seems fishy, the 1vxer isn't legit. I know I used to be like that, when I was newer to PvP. Now, I understand everything well enough that's it's typically easy to tell if a 1vxer I encounter is legit or cheating/exploiting. For many players, though, they just assume the worst when they encounter that.

perfect explanation and Great wording MojaveHeld.

also,
i see the title of the thread changed from
"why do players not like 1 v X"
to
"why do some players think 1vx is cheating"

that is still not ...
i don't believe anyone thinks 1 v X is cheating, i have never heard anyone say that.

even in a game like Grand Thief Auto you see everyone laughing and really excited when you get 5 Stars and its all out war every man for themselves type thing is really fun.
1 v X is really fun for everyone, ive never heard anyone dislike 1 v X.

i think MojaveHeld comment and explanation hit it on the head and perfectly explained what most people are thinking on this subject.

JumpmanLane

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Nothing against solo players, but the 1vX crowd seems to attract the most toxic of PvP players, not all there are also some very good ones but for the most they just see other players as potatoes and choose and pick the fights for good YouTube vids.
Awaiting the usual zergling insult. lmao

How many 1vx'ers are on the delivering end of toxic messages and how many are on the receiving end? I will help you do the math; 1% vs 99%. If you have any toxic messages sent you by real 1vx players, not players running alone in a zerg, I would like to see them, because I have never experienced that in my time since playing beta. Yes, that is a challenge. If you cant deliver, I call you a liar.

I call B.S. A very well known and very good 1vXer used to send me hate tells all the time. He’d say stuff like “So, you’re a Zergling, who knew” and “You’re Max cp, you’re running an optimized build, you shouldn’t be attacking me.”

Now, he comes over a hill in a group of 10 people, 9 go left, he goes right. I go after him, 2 pugs follow. He’d have killed the 2 pugs and been 1vXing. I killed him I’m a Zergling lol. Gtfo here lol.

leepalmer95

I prefer 1vX/ 2vX etc... because it actually allowed me to use more skill to pvp, proper positioning, getting burst right, heals, los etc..

Rather thab you straight up zerg people to the point where your build/ class etc.. i just not important because of sheer numbers.


Or ball groups where they 'skillfully' all hold hands, run into a choke and ult dump.

Unfadingsilence

https://xboxclips.com/React+Faster/77f93442-f612-449f-a587-d4691f175222

Imagine the hate this guy got after his 1vX on Xbox NA not only was it a clean 1v5 but to take out 2 bash builds as they go ult the same time lol especially since console still has not received the "nerf" to bash

frostz417

If you think a solo player is a cheater... lol all I have to say is L

Cortimi

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I don't mind 1vXers. I just don't care to indulge them.

So if I'm with PUGs who play like potatoes, I'm cringing as they let themselves follow into LOS issues and let themselves get pulled apart and killed one by one. I'm hanging back, healing, doing damage, not going into obvious traps, and steadily getting bored watching a bunch of my allies die because they can't kill one guy.

If I'm with my regular guild with players who know how to deal with 1vXers, the fight doesnt last long enough to be called a 1vX. Then we get the whisper "You zerged me..." And its like "Duh? A solo player picked a fight with a guild. What did you expect?"

I can say the same thing about small groups that tower farm.

Still, you zerged them down. When you grow a pair youll try to duel them. Youll die a lot, but eventually you will be better. If you whisper them for a duel, youll find theyre very positive to that and will most likely give you advice and tips.

This is by and large total crap. The people that are the 1 are 99 times out of 100 total cancer builds that are completely pointless to duel, unless you have 5 hours of your life with nothing better to do. They can't kill you, but you surely aren't going to kill them either.

Korah_Eaglecry

The 1vX philosophy runs counter to the large scale pvp we have set up in Cyrodiil. No getting around that. And since the design is built around "zerging" or large group tactics, the idea that individuals can cut through them or even smaller numbers flies in the face of what players are walking into Cyrodiil expecting.

Amira

StaticWave wrote: »

I'm mostly a solo pvper, and I've had my fair share of 1vX fights. I rarely get whispers, but when I do, it's often accuses of macros or cheating. I have friends who've received far more whispers. I don't really understand how some players think it's cheating when their group lost to 1 person. I mean, if those players use the same build as the 1vXer, it's not guaranteed that they will perform at the same level right?

Because they died

TequilaFire

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Nothing against solo players, but the 1vX crowd seems to attract the most toxic of PvP players, not all there are also some very good ones but for the most they just see other players as potatoes and choose and pick the fights for good YouTube vids.
Awaiting the usual zergling insult. lmao

How many 1vx'ers are on the delivering end of toxic messages and how many are on the receiving end? I will help you do the math; 1% vs 99%. If you have any toxic messages sent you by real 1vx players, not players running alone in a zerg, I would like to see them, because I have never experienced that in my time since playing beta. Yes, that is a challenge. If you cant deliver, I call you a liar.

Good example of being toxic calling me a liar when I wasn't even talking about messages in the first place.

Kadoin

PvP is a toxic environment...

The builds, the skills, the guilds!

OtarTheMad

It's nothing against real good 1vXer's but some were proven way back when to be using Cheat Engine and that kind of gave all of them a black mark. More often than not a 1vXer is just someone who is just good at the class/build/style they are playing. Unfortunately this leads to people calling BS and reporting vs just getting better.

frostz417

OtarTheMad wrote: »

It's nothing against real good 1vXer's but some were proven way back when to be using Cheat Engine and that kind of gave all of them a black mark. More often than not a 1vXer is just someone who is just good at the class/build/style they are playing. Unfortunately this leads to people calling BS and reporting vs just getting better.

Because most pvpers are casuals with no thumbs and cry because some things actually takes skill. So they cry to zos demanding that the game to be dumbed down further careering to thumbless casuals.
They don’t want to learn and work to be good.

ATreeGnome

StaticWave wrote: »

I'm mostly a solo pvper, and I've had my fair share of 1vX fights. I rarely get whispers, but when I do, it's often accuses of macros or cheating. I have friends who've received far more whispers. I don't really understand how some players think it's cheating when their group lost to 1 person. I mean, if those players use the same build as the 1vXer, it's not guaranteed that they will perform at the same level right?

What do you expect though? I don't have anything against the 1 v X playstyle, but it does tend to be particularly effective against players who don't understand the game very well. Add to that the natural feeling that numbers should provide a big advantage in combat, it makes sense that a lot of the players you kill will think something is unfair. I'm not saying they are right, just that it's an inherent hazard of doing 1vX. If they understood the game well enough to know how you beat them, you probably wouldn't be able to effectively 1vX them.

LuxLunae

When you see a whole army attacking someone ... and they are not falling there are two reasons..

1. The people attacking are trash...don't understand the mechanics of the game...
2. The build is broken AF...uses exploits that made it passed PTS or was hidden to be used on live...

Kel

I dont mind 1vx'ers. I've actually pulled off a few myself. (Meaning, I killed 5 or more, not "hey, I killed 2 players") It takes talent, good resource management, and most importantly, patience. It's a legitimate skill.

I do mind those runner builds. The ones that just run around trees and rocks, with absolutely no chance to kill anything. Usually with crazy self healing and not much else.
I just don't get the point, aside from maybe being a distraction? A distraction from what though, no idea. Especially when solo.

I mean, if you get your jollies off by running in a circle until you finally die, I wish you all the best. There's got to be a better way to earn AP, is all I'm sayin. Maybe try killing something instead of running.