Stop with the Nerf Threads

Vlad9425

Anyone else sick of seeing these? It's like these people want the game to fail and all our classes and characters to become weak and insignificant. It also doesn't help when 95% of these threads are asking for Nerfs which are completely unjustified. I only mention this because there has been a ridiculous amount of these threads popping up lately for some reason.

Daedric_NB_187

One and only one reason why they won't stop.... PvP

VaranisArano

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

One and only one reason why they won't stop.... PvP

Oh rly?

I guess I'm imagining all the PVE healers begging for self-heals to be nerfed so they can feel relevant again.

And all the PVEers going:
"My class/race does 2% less damage than the others, buff me or nerf them!"
"Nobody invites my class to the latest trial, buff me or nerf them!"

zvavi

Nerf lags plz, too op.

TequilaFire

We, including myself need to stop responding to the nerf threads as they always devolve into the same tired circular arguments.

Vlad9425

TequilaFire wrote: »

We, including myself need to stop responding to the nerf threads as they always devolve into the same tired circular arguments.

Agreed but I can't help myself I always feel like these people need to be called out on their BS.

Daedric_NB_187

One and only one reason why they won't stop.... PvP

VaranisArano wrote: »

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

One and only one reason why they won't stop.... PvP

Oh rly?

I guess I'm imagining all the PVE healers begging for self-heals to be nerfed so they can feel relevant again.

And all the PVEers going:
"My class/race does 2% less damage than the others, buff me or nerf them!"
"Nobody invites my class to the latest trial, buff me or nerf them!"

You're correct. But the majority of the time a nerf thread is made because somebody died in pvp and comes to the forums crying about it. And before you make the assumption. No I'm not a pveer who blames pvp for everything. I do both equally.

Vlad9425

zvavi wrote: »

Nerf lags plz, too op.

Lag and in combat loading screens are nerfs which I can get behind.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Most nerf threads are definitely PVP related. PVPers never stop complaining. Heck, even now I see several under "Recent". All PVP related.

And yes, I am sick of the nerf threads and leave a negative comment on every one I see.

Ri_Khan

99% of the time it all boils down to L2P/gitgud issues. If these whiners would actually spend the time playing the class they want nerfed, they wouldn't be here making fools of themselves.

tinythinker

But then there would be fewer opportunities to share the ESO nerf song (to the tune of Devos' Whip It!):

Lava whip
Dark Cloak for the slip
Proccing a Frag
This fight's in the bag
When a class skill comes along
[You must nerf it...]
And it seems a little strong
[You must nerf it...]
There must be something wrong
[You must nerf it...]

Now nerf it
Make it safe
Safe for pugs
Troll bait
So awkward
Hit my head
Could not deflect it
It's way too late
To nerf it
Nerf it good

When my character goes down
[You must nerf it...]
More QQ posts will be found
[Unless you nerf it]
They won't go away
[Until they nerf it]

I say nerf it
Nerf it good
I say nerf it
Nerf it good

Lava whip
Dark Cloak for the slip
Proccing a Frag
This fight's in the bag
When a class skill comes along
[You must nerf it...]
And it seems a little strong
[You must nerf it...]
There must be something wrong
[You must nerf it...]

Now nerf it
Make it safe
Safe for pugs
Troll bait
So awkward
Hit my head
Could not deflect it
It's way too late
To nerf it
Make it safe
Safe for pugs
Troll bait
So awkward
Hit my head
Could not deflect it
It's way too late
To nerf it
Nerf it good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QLzthSkfM

Crack that whip
Give the past a slip
Step on a crack
Break your momma's back

When a problem comes along
You must whip it
Before the cream sets out too long
You must whip it
When something's goin' wrong
You must whip it

Now whip it
Into shape
Shape it up
Get straight
Go forward
Move ahead
Try to detect it
It's not too late
To whip it
Whip it good

When a good time turns around
You must whip it
You will never live it down
Unless you whip it
No one gets away
Until they whip it
I say whip it
Whip it good
I say whip it
Whip it good

Crack that whip
Give the past a slip
Step on a crack
Break your momma's back

When a problem comes along
You must whip it
Before the cream sets out too long
You must whip it
When something's goin' wrong
You must whip it

Now whip it
Into shape
Shape it up
Get straight
Go forward
Move ahead
Try to detect it
It's not too late
To whip it
Get straight
Go forward
Move ahead
Try to detect it
It's not too late
To whip it
Whip it good

Banana

Buff the servers

Vlad9425

tinythinker wrote: »

But then there would be fewer opportunities to share the ESO nerf song (to the tune of Devos' Whip It!):

Lava whip
Dark Cloak for the slip
Proccing a Frag
This fight's in the bag
When a class skill comes along
[You must nerf it...]
And it seems a little strong
[You must nerf it...]
There must be something wrong
[You must nerf it...]

Now nerf it
Make it safe
Safe for pugs
Troll bait
So awkward
Hit my head
Could not deflect it
It's way too late
To nerf it
Nerf it good

When my character goes down
[You must nerf it...]
More QQ posts will be found
[Unless you nerf it]
They won't go away
[Until they nerf it]

I say nerf it
Nerf it good
I say nerf it
Nerf it good

Lava whip
Dark Cloak for the slip
Proccing a Frag
This fight's in the bag
When a class skill comes along
[You must nerf it...]
And it seems a little strong
[You must nerf it...]
There must be something wrong
[You must nerf it...]

Now nerf it
Make it safe
Safe for pugs
Troll bait
So awkward
Hit my head
Could not deflect it
It's way too late
To nerf it
Make it safe
Safe for pugs
Troll bait
So awkward
Hit my head
Could not deflect it
It's way too late
To nerf it
Nerf it good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QLzthSkfM

Crack that whip
Give the past a slip
Step on a crack
Break your momma's back

When a problem comes along
You must whip it
Before the cream sets out too long
You must whip it
When something's goin' wrong
You must whip it

Now whip it
Into shape
Shape it up
Get straight
Go forward
Move ahead
Try to detect it
It's not too late
To whip it
Whip it good

When a good time turns around
You must whip it
You will never live it down
Unless you whip it
No one gets away
Until they whip it
I say whip it
Whip it good
I say whip it
Whip it good

Crack that whip
Give the past a slip
Step on a crack
Break your momma's back

When a problem comes along
You must whip it
Before the cream sets out too long
You must whip it
When something's goin' wrong
You must whip it

Now whip it
Into shape
Shape it up
Get straight
Go forward
Move ahead
Try to detect it
It's not too late
To whip it
Get straight
Go forward
Move ahead
Try to detect it
It's not too late
To whip it
Whip it good

Can we make a Buff song to counter it?

blnchk

@tinythinker

This is by far the best thing I've ever seen on these forums.

VaranisArano

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

One and only one reason why they won't stop.... PvP

VaranisArano wrote: »

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

One and only one reason why they won't stop.... PvP

Oh rly?

I guess I'm imagining all the PVE healers begging for self-heals to be nerfed so they can feel relevant again.

And all the PVEers going:
"My class/race does 2% less damage than the others, buff me or nerf them!"
"Nobody invites my class to the latest trial, buff me or nerf them!"

You're correct. But the majority of the time a nerf thread is made because somebody died in pvp and comes to the forums crying about it. And before you make the assumption. No I'm not a pveer who blames pvp for everything. I do both equally.

I wont deny that most threads are made by PVPers.

After all, its not like Molag Kena, Domihaus and the trial bosses have forum accounts...

If they did, we'd certainly see "Nerf Relequen!", "Healing Springs spam is carrying players!" And the like.

Which is why PVE players are shocked, just shocked, whenever ZOS nerfs something in PVE for PVE reasons.

And that's not even getting into the nerfs ZOS does purely to generate horizontal progression or to change the meta. Remove all PVP, and PVE would still face constant changes and nerfs because thats how ZOS handles "balance" to keep the game from being boring and keep PVE power levels in check.

PVEers who blame PVP for all nerfs, who pretend that its only PVPers who ask for nerfs, or who act like PVE would never face changes for the sake of horizontal progression are naive and not paying attention to how ZOS operates.

Musaiya

It won't stop because there are severe balancing issues in terms of PvP... Hop into 10 battlegrounds matches, 9 of those games will consist of sorcerers or dragonknights dominating the game.

TequilaFire

And if they were naked with sticks the same players would be the ones dominating.
Some players are just better than others.

Icy_Waffles

As long as there is something that will kill you in pvp, there will be nerd threads.

Unbelievable. The whining. Theses classes intrinsically have differences that make them play differently and each class used to have a class they did better or worse against. That’s unacceptable now. If something kills you, whine and ask for nerfs instead of improving and adjusting. Often the ask for nerfs seems to have to do with class identity.

Asking for nerfs for pets for the sorc. Healing for Templar. Wings for dk. And now cloak for nightblade... give me a break.

Those threads won’t stop unfortunately. Best thing we can do is try to counter them positively and in an appropriate manor.

Wuuffyy

Agreed. Its out of control at this point. They just need to stop listening to trolls and nerfomancere.

Deathlord92

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Anyone else sick of seeing these? It's like these people want the game to fail and all our classes and characters to become weak and insignificant. It also doesn't help when 95% of these threads are asking for Nerfs which are completely unjustified. I only mention this because there has been a ridiculous amount of these threads popping up lately for some reason.

These nerf threads are really annoying I completely agree there just done by bad players who take the L on the daily.

Jagdkommando

I have a thread opened about this also, this is the worst community in terms of “nerf wanters” i have ever seen.... Disgusting!

Deathlord92

Ri_Khan wrote: »

99% of the time it all boils down to L2P/gitgud issues. If these whiners would actually spend the time playing the class they want nerfed, they wouldn't be here making fools of themselves.

Yup completely agree.

Linaleah

VaranisArano wrote: »

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

One and only one reason why they won't stop.... PvP

Oh rly?

I guess I'm imagining all the PVE healers begging for self-heals to be nerfed so they can feel relevant again.

And all the PVEers going:
"My class/race does 2% less damage than the others, buff me or nerf them!"
"Nobody invites my class to the latest trial, buff me or nerf them!"

and there i thought we pve healers were begging for getting a better healing tools as well as fewer one shot mechanics which is what actualy makes us irrelevant, to be replaced with more consistent damage that needs to be constantly healed which is what would make us actualy relevant since no matter how powerful self heals for dps may be, it becomes inefficient to self heal so much vs relying on a healer to keep group topped up, so that dps could focus on you know, dps and only keep self heals for emergency situations. but what do I know, right?

or you know all the pve dps that play non meta classes begging for their abilities, especially class abilities to be brought UP to be on par with meta classes, rather then nerfs for other people.

VaranisArano

Linaleah wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

One and only one reason why they won't stop.... PvP

Oh rly?

I guess I'm imagining all the PVE healers begging for self-heals to be nerfed so they can feel relevant again.

And all the PVEers going:
"My class/race does 2% less damage than the others, buff me or nerf them!"
"Nobody invites my class to the latest trial, buff me or nerf them!"

and there i thought we pve healers were begging for getting a better healing tools as well as fewer one shot mechanics which is what actualy makes us irrelevant, to be replaced with more consistent damage that needs to be constantly healed which is what would make us actualy relevant since no matter how powerful self heals for dps may be, it becomes inefficient to self heal so much vs relying on a healer to keep group topped up, so that dps could focus on you know, dps and only keep self heals for emergency situations. but what do I know, right?

or you know all the pve dps that play non meta classes begging for their abilities, especially class abilities to be brought UP to be on par with meta classes, rather then nerfs for other people.

Sorry if my snark bothered you. I wasnt trying to cast judgment on all PVEers (as that would be rather hypocritical) but rather to point out that NO its not just PVPers calling for nerfs.

This is the particular thread that prompted my comment, but its far from the only time PVEers complain on the forums. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/487068/make-the-healers-great-again-how-to-resolve-the-dps-vs-healer-issue

I'm really tired of PVE players being hyperbolic about how all nerf threads and the cause of all nerfs are PVPers. Like ZOS never nerfs anything at all for PVE reasons. Its old. They say it every update even when ZOS states they've got PVE reasons for nerfing things.

I'm well aware that many PVEers manage to discuss balance changes sensibly, but as I've stated above, acting like PVPers are 100% the cause of all nerfs is naive.

So in general, not you in particular, don't be hyperbolic, and I won't be nearly as snarky about it. Be reasonable. "Most", "Many", sure. When posters like the one I was responding to start acting like PVP is the "one and only" reason for nerfs, that just hits my "Nope, have you even been paying attention?" buttons and I get very snarky.

bearbelly

TequilaFire wrote: »

We, including myself need to stop responding to the nerf threads as they always devolve into the same tired circular arguments.

Funny how that happens, given that if you state Pie R Squared, then they've stopped being circles.
That is so weird.

Linaleah

VaranisArano wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

One and only one reason why they won't stop.... PvP

Oh rly?

I guess I'm imagining all the PVE healers begging for self-heals to be nerfed so they can feel relevant again.

And all the PVEers going:
"My class/race does 2% less damage than the others, buff me or nerf them!"
"Nobody invites my class to the latest trial, buff me or nerf them!"

and there i thought we pve healers were begging for getting a better healing tools as well as fewer one shot mechanics which is what actualy makes us irrelevant, to be replaced with more consistent damage that needs to be constantly healed which is what would make us actualy relevant since no matter how powerful self heals for dps may be, it becomes inefficient to self heal so much vs relying on a healer to keep group topped up, so that dps could focus on you know, dps and only keep self heals for emergency situations. but what do I know, right?

or you know all the pve dps that play non meta classes begging for their abilities, especially class abilities to be brought UP to be on par with meta classes, rather then nerfs for other people.

Sorry if my snark bothered you. I wasnt trying to cast judgment on all PVEers (as that would be rather hypocritical) but rather to point out that NO its not just PVPers calling for nerfs.

This is the particular thread that prompted my comment, but its far from the only time PVEers complain on the forums. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/487068/make-the-healers-great-again-how-to-resolve-the-dps-vs-healer-issue

I'm really tired of PVE players being hyperbolic about how all nerf threads and the cause of all nerfs are PVPers. Like ZOS never nerfs anything at all for PVE reasons. Its old. They say it every update even when ZOS states they've got PVE reasons for nerfing things.

I'm well aware that many PVEers manage to discuss balance changes sensibly, but as I've stated above, acting like PVPers are 100% the cause of all nerfs is naive.

So in general, not you in particular, don't be hyperbolic, and I won't be nearly as snarky about it. Be reasonable. "Most", "Many", sure. When posters like the one I was responding to start acting like PVP is the "one and only" reason for nerfs, that just hits my "Nope, have you even been paying attention?" buttons and I get very snarky.

I would say that this person simply didn't understand what it is that makes healers all but irrelevant in current meta. not to mention their suggestion would actualy harm and nerf healers to some degree as well.

but fine. lets go with majority rather then all. vast VAST majority of nerfs are called for by pvpers. and I would go as far as to say that VAST majority of class nerfs happens due to pvp... including all the buffing and nerfing that happened to werewolves. which... btw, also includes healing nerfs. because "those damn healers/self heals making it impossible to kill people in pvp" and all

Tommy_The_Gun

At this point they should change forums comment reaction (Insightful, Agree, Awesome) into: Nerf, Buff, Rework. At least for 1 day for lols

Kadoin

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

At this point they should change forums comment reaction (Insightful, Agree, Awesome) into: Nerf, Buff, Rework. At least for 1 day for lols

First day of the next Jester Festival

VaranisArano

Linaleah wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

One and only one reason why they won't stop.... PvP

Oh rly?

I guess I'm imagining all the PVE healers begging for self-heals to be nerfed so they can feel relevant again.

And all the PVEers going:
"My class/race does 2% less damage than the others, buff me or nerf them!"
"Nobody invites my class to the latest trial, buff me or nerf them!"

and there i thought we pve healers were begging for getting a better healing tools as well as fewer one shot mechanics which is what actualy makes us irrelevant, to be replaced with more consistent damage that needs to be constantly healed which is what would make us actualy relevant since no matter how powerful self heals for dps may be, it becomes inefficient to self heal so much vs relying on a healer to keep group topped up, so that dps could focus on you know, dps and only keep self heals for emergency situations. but what do I know, right?

or you know all the pve dps that play non meta classes begging for their abilities, especially class abilities to be brought UP to be on par with meta classes, rather then nerfs for other people.

Sorry if my snark bothered you. I wasnt trying to cast judgment on all PVEers (as that would be rather hypocritical) but rather to point out that NO its not just PVPers calling for nerfs.

This is the particular thread that prompted my comment, but its far from the only time PVEers complain on the forums. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/487068/make-the-healers-great-again-how-to-resolve-the-dps-vs-healer-issue

I'm really tired of PVE players being hyperbolic about how all nerf threads and the cause of all nerfs are PVPers. Like ZOS never nerfs anything at all for PVE reasons. Its old. They say it every update even when ZOS states they've got PVE reasons for nerfing things.

I'm well aware that many PVEers manage to discuss balance changes sensibly, but as I've stated above, acting like PVPers are 100% the cause of all nerfs is naive.

So in general, not you in particular, don't be hyperbolic, and I won't be nearly as snarky about it. Be reasonable. "Most", "Many", sure. When posters like the one I was responding to start acting like PVP is the "one and only" reason for nerfs, that just hits my "Nope, have you even been paying attention?" buttons and I get very snarky.

I would say that this person simply didn't understand what it is that makes healers all but irrelevant in current meta. not to mention their suggestion would actualy harm and nerf healers to some degree as well.

but fine. lets go with majority rather then all. vast VAST majority of nerfs are called for by pvpers. and I would go as far as to say that VAST majority of class nerfs happens due to pvp... including all the buffing and nerfing that happened to werewolves. which... btw, also includes healing nerfs. because "those damn healers/self heals making it impossible to kill people in pvp" and all

I feel like I already talked about that earlier this thread.

Of course the majority of nerf threads come from PVP.

Its not like Molag Kena, Domihaus and the trials bosses have forum accounts. Most PVE players want buffs so they can be more powerful, and are shocked when the Devs nerf PVE power creep because PVE content is becoming too easy from the Devs' perspective.

So since I'm repeating myself, and I don't think we're accomplishing anything constructive with this argument, I'll bow out.

Have a great day!

edges_endgame

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

At this point they should change forums comment reaction (Insightful, Agree, Awesome) into: Nerf, Buff, Rework. At least for 1 day for lols

Should also make roles. PvE Saints and Evil PvP.

Grandma

it's the general forums of an online video game, which happens to be an MMO. there's no point in trying to stop the flood of useless topics, and this one falls under that as a result.

There are a few critical / good ones though, check them out. There's good reason to be upset right now, but this happens every patch; people will adapt.