PVP @ Killing too Much Faster (25K HP gone in seconds)

Lord_Eomer

Surprised to attacked by Player who is taking seconds to kill (25K HP gone in seconds), PC EU BG.

Is this player using Macro or cheats?

technohic

I seem to see DOTs and procs. The light attacks are the key and they're spaced out right.

Donny_Vito

I didn't do the math (too early), but it seems like the 25k HP was lost in more than 1 second? First timestamp is 71 seconds, and then the last one is almost 77 seconds. Again, maybe I'm missing something or I should actually add the numbers up, but I feel like you might be overreacting.

Lord_Eomer

Donny_Vito wrote: »

I didn't do the math (too early), but it seems like the 25k HP was lost in more than 1 second? First timestamp is 71 seconds, and then the last one is almost 77 seconds. Again, maybe I'm missing something or I should actually add the numbers up, but I feel like you might be overreacting.

I was continuously healing,

Damage is too much faster incoming, see my total healing.

How can someone doing many hit in very shorter time?

Varaug_Gaming

very likely the good old client desync
you see yourself all the time full hp then everything from the last 5 seconds hits you all at once and you drop dead

Royaji

Within 6 seconds you were hit with 3 skills (3 elemental weapons). Everything else were procs and DoTs. This is way slower than the fastest possible rate of 1 skill every 0.9 seconds.

x48rph

Looks like he was mainly hitting you with elemental weapon buffed light attacks, which also procs his weapon enchant. And you had a DOT from flame reach along with burning. Was also a spell orb and a bash thrown in as well over over the course of about 6 seconds so yeah, looks quite normal to me.

laksikus

you healed for 900hps. and got dots and procs for about 5-6k per sec
ofc you wont survive

VaranisArano

Probably not. The only thing that seems odd timing wise is Elemental Weapon/Light Attack, but since those two are basically a proc, I'm not sure if the close timing is just a matter of how the game registers the damage. The timing of light attacks in relation to each other, and skills in relation to each other seems fine.

Its very easy to lose lots of health quickly in PVP, and without knowing things like your build, your mitigation, etc. Its pretty hard to tell if you losing 25k health in 5-6 seconds is abnormal.

CAB_Life

Recount looks fine, though you may have desynced and perceived it all at once.

Royaji

VaranisArano wrote: »

Probably not. The only thing that seems odd timing wise is Elemental Weapon/Light Attack, but since those two are basically a proc, I'm not sure if the close timing is just a matter of how the game registers the damage. The timing of light attacks in relation to each other, and skills in relation to each other seems fine.

Its very easy to lose lots of health quickly in PVP, and without knowing things like your build, your mitigation, etc. Its pretty hard to tell if you losing 25k health in 5-6 seconds is abnormal.

Elemental Weapon deals damage on Light Attacks so it's prefectly fine that they hit basically at the same time.

Donny_Vito

Lord_Eomer wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

I didn't do the math (too early), but it seems like the 25k HP was lost in more than 1 second? First timestamp is 71 seconds, and then the last one is almost 77 seconds. Again, maybe I'm missing something or I should actually add the numbers up, but I feel like you might be overreacting.

I was continuously healing,

Damage is too much faster incoming, see my total healing.

How can someone doing many hit in very shorter time?

I'm on console, so not really too familiar with this combat metrics...but is there a view that displays incoming damage (like the one you posted) and you're healing?

Lord_Eomer

CAB_Life wrote: »

Recount looks fine, though you may have desynced and perceived it all at once.

Well not really descyned, had almost similar every time in death recap.

It may be build then pretty much OP and harder to be convinced.

RexyCat

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Lord_Eomer wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

I didn't do the math (too early), but it seems like the 25k HP was lost in more than 1 second? First timestamp is 71 seconds, and then the last one is almost 77 seconds. Again, maybe I'm missing something or I should actually add the numbers up, but I feel like you might be overreacting.

I was continuously healing,

Damage is too much faster incoming, see my total healing.

How can someone doing many hit in very shorter time?

I'm on console, so not really too familiar with this combat metrics...but is there a view that displays incoming damage (like the one you posted) and you're healing?

Combat Metric is an add on for pc. There is nowadays an in game log you can be enabled within settings. Don't know if console also have this. It will create a text file which you can read.

Lord_Eomer

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Lord_Eomer wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

I didn't do the math (too early), but it seems like the 25k HP was lost in more than 1 second? First timestamp is 71 seconds, and then the last one is almost 77 seconds. Again, maybe I'm missing something or I should actually add the numbers up, but I feel like you might be overreacting.

I was continuously healing,

Damage is too much faster incoming, see my total healing.

How can someone doing many hit in very shorter time?

I'm on console, so not really too familiar with this combat metrics...but is there a view that displays incoming damage (like the one you posted) and you're healing?

Its showing damage taken in log and in bottom showing healing output

Asgari

Am i reading the buffs part right.. you only had your armor buff up 50% of the time.. id say thats your problem

Lord_Eomer

Asgari wrote: »

Am i reading the buffs part right.. you only had your armor buff up 50% of the time.. id say thats your problem

Anyway damage was too faster, can not believe so many hits in a sec and hardly a single dot was incomming

ThePedge

No macros no cheats

Juhasow

Definietly not cheats. Intervals between elemental weapon hits are withit 0,9 sec global cooldown rest are just status effects from ele weapon , enchantment procs and reach DoT ticks. Only thing that boosted that persons burst damage propably at opening was smart usage of elemental weapon and connecting it with reach into 1 combo simply by casting ele weapon 1st and then doing light attack+reach in next weave so there was la+ele weapon+reach+ optionally enchantment hitting at the same time but that is a pure guess since if it happened it was earlier in combat log.

As for the amount of damage it's also pretty regular nothing shady here. Mistakes were made mostly on Your side @Lord_Eomer by allowing that enemy to treat You like a dummy parse and letting him contiinously weave attacks at You when You were just spamming heals which by the way seems to be pretty low which suggest Your build may be also not very great. You've just met decent player and allowed him to go purely into offense against You so there could be only one outcome. As for the damage itself 25k dmg in little bit less then 6 seconds gives something slightly over 4k DPS which is pretty standard and nothing to be suprised about.

VaranisArano

Royaji wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Probably not. The only thing that seems odd timing wise is Elemental Weapon/Light Attack, but since those two are basically a proc, I'm not sure if the close timing is just a matter of how the game registers the damage. The timing of light attacks in relation to each other, and skills in relation to each other seems fine.

Its very easy to lose lots of health quickly in PVP, and without knowing things like your build, your mitigation, etc. Its pretty hard to tell if you losing 25k health in 5-6 seconds is abnormal.

Elemental Weapon deals damage on Light Attacks so it's prefectly fine that they hit basically at the same time.

That's more or less what I thought. But I've never looked at the timing of someone attacking me with it to know for sure.

Thanks!

jcm2606

Lord_Eomer wrote: »

Asgari wrote: »

Am i reading the buffs part right.. you only had your armor buff up 50% of the time.. id say thats your problem

Anyway damage was too faster, can not believe so many hits in a sec and hardly a single dot was incomming

To more help illustrate the damage you took, I marked all of the damage instances in that recap.



Most of the damage you received are within the parts with the shapes to the left of them, and all of that damage was applied off the back of the highlighted light attacks. If you look at the times that you took those light attacks, they're about a second apart, so everything is lined up fine.

Basically, you took three Elemental Weapon buffed light attacks in succession, about 1 second apart, on top of enchant procs off the back of those light attacks. Through that, you also had the DOT from the flame damage enchant ticking against you, and the DOT from Flame Reach ticking against you, every second. You also took a bash (likely animation cancelled, doesn't need a macro or a cheat for that) and a Spell Orb proc (Psijic passive, probably from a previous Elemental Weapon hit), and the Elemental Weapon hit applied Concussion to you, giving you Minor Vulnerability.

It may seem unbelievable while playing, but when you actually look at what damage you took and sort through it, you can see why you dropped so fast. Two DOT's, plus a Spell Orb proc, plus Minor Vulnerability, plus three Elemental Weapon buffed light attacks with enchant procs, is what caused you to drop so fast.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

@jcm2606 Elemental Weapon applies a random status effect every hit, so the 2 concussions and the last burning you see on the recap there is from that, not enchants.

jcm2606

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

@jcm2606 Elemental Weapon applies a random status effect every hit, so the 2 concussions and the last burning you see on the recap there is from that, not enchants.

Ah okay, good to know. Goes to show how often I use it! (Basically never, don't play ranged mag much.)

InvictusApollo

Dear @Lord_Eomer
The fight took 6 seconds.
You claim that you were healing yourself every second.
I can heal/shield myself around 10k per second in full defense mode.
You were killed by a single Flame Reach and three Elemental Weapons.
As @Juhasow mentioned, your enemy was doiong merely 4k dps on you.

I'm going to be honest and blunt with you. You build is pathetic. Your self healing is pathetic. Your damage mitigation is pathetic. Change it. You are responsible for this. You and only you.

Firstmep

My stamplar bg toon can down a lot of ppl in 2-3seconds, simple dizzy +dawny into jabs.
In bgs theres no cp carrying your defenses, you gotta rely on skill and gear purely.
And teamwork ofc.

Gilvoth

LegacyDM wrote: »

Here we have HA-->Sub Assault --->DoS all in the same second



Here we have a Cutting Dive ---->Heavy Attack ----> Sub Assault all in the same second followed by a DoS one second later. Poor game play design and BS.



Here we have a lethal arrow ----> Draining Shot all in the same second.



Here's an interesting one. An Ambush ----> Lethal Arrow. In the same second. Now how did he get an ambush off with a skill that actually requires a 1s channel cast time all in the same second. Not sure.



Here we have Dizzying Swing ---->Reverse Slice --->Sub Assault all in the same second.



And my personal favorite. Two focused aims in the same second.

killing people in 3 seconds is just unacceptable and is not fair gameplay.
animation canceling needs to be removed.

nsmurfer

Gilvoth wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Here we have HA-->Sub Assault --->DoS all in the same second



Here we have a Cutting Dive ---->Heavy Attack ----> Sub Assault all in the same second followed by a DoS one second later. Poor game play design and BS.



Here we have a lethal arrow ----> Draining Shot all in the same second.



Here's an interesting one. An Ambush ----> Lethal Arrow. In the same second. Now how did he get an ambush off with a skill that actually requires a 1s channel cast time all in the same second. Not sure.



Here we have Dizzying Swing ---->Reverse Slice --->Sub Assault all in the same second.



And my personal favorite. Two focused aims in the same second.

killing people in 3 seconds is just unacceptable and is not fair gameplay.
animation canceling needs to be removed.

Git Gud,

Donny_Vito

Lord_Eomer wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Lord_Eomer wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

I didn't do the math (too early), but it seems like the 25k HP was lost in more than 1 second? First timestamp is 71 seconds, and then the last one is almost 77 seconds. Again, maybe I'm missing something or I should actually add the numbers up, but I feel like you might be overreacting.

I was continuously healing,

Damage is too much faster incoming, see my total healing.

How can someone doing many hit in very shorter time?

I'm on console, so not really too familiar with this combat metrics...but is there a view that displays incoming damage (like the one you posted) and you're healing?

Its showing damage taken in log and in bottom showing healing output

The bottom seems to show the overall healing output. I was just wondering if they had a view which showed timestamps for healing received/amount like it shows for incoming damage.

Lord_Eomer

Juhasow wrote: »

Definietly not cheats. Intervals between elemental weapon hits are withit 0,9 sec global cooldown rest are just status effects from ele weapon , enchantment procs and reach DoT ticks. Only thing that boosted that persons burst damage propably at opening was smart usage of elemental weapon and connecting it with reach into 1 combo simply by casting ele weapon 1st and then doing light attack+reach in next weave so there was la+ele weapon+reach+ optionally enchantment hitting at the same time but that is a pure guess since if it happened it was earlier in combat log.

As for the amount of damage it's also pretty regular nothing shady here. Mistakes were made mostly on Your side @Lord_Eomer by allowing that enemy to treat You like a dummy parse and letting him contiinously weave attacks at You when You were just spamming heals which by the way seems to be pretty low which suggest Your build may be also not very great. You've just met decent player and allowed him to go purely into offense against You so there could be only one outcome. As for the damage itself 25k dmg in little bit less then 6 seconds gives something slightly over 4k DPS which is pretty standard and nothing to be suprised about.

I am pretty good in BG, it was not a dummy parse. I was dodging a lot and healing but still got hit pretty much straight away!

You are guessing from log but I wish to have a video instead!

Anyway Elemental Weapon applying random effect without cool-down is an unfair advantage and might need some tweaking.

kromegas

Honestly- this all used to get my blood boiling- but there is one thing you all are not factoring in...


LAG


Lag kills.

Dagoth_Rac

Lord_Eomer wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Lord_Eomer wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

I didn't do the math (too early), but it seems like the 25k HP was lost in more than 1 second? First timestamp is 71 seconds, and then the last one is almost 77 seconds. Again, maybe I'm missing something or I should actually add the numbers up, but I feel like you might be overreacting.

I was continuously healing,

Damage is too much faster incoming, see my total healing.

How can someone doing many hit in very shorter time?

I'm on console, so not really too familiar with this combat metrics...but is there a view that displays incoming damage (like the one you posted) and you're healing?

Its showing damage taken in log and in bottom showing healing output

That healing output is deceptive. It is definitely not your healing for the same time period as the incoming damage. The healing lists 38 ticks of base regen, 31 ticks of mutagen, etc. Look at the max heals: 610, 934, 2887, 848, 722. The healing is from a much longer period of time. You took roughly 20,000 damage over about 6 seconds (which is not excessive), while receiving mostly weak HoT ticks.