PVP @ Killing too Much Faster (25K HP gone in seconds)

Lord_Eomer
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Surprised to attacked by Player who is taking seconds to kill (25K HP gone in seconds), PC EU BG.

Is this player using Macro or cheats?

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Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 26, 2019 1:30PM
  • technohic
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    I seem to see DOTs and procs. The light attacks are the key and they're spaced out right.
    Edited by technohic on July 26, 2019 1:28PM
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  • Lord_Eomer
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    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    I didn't do the math (too early), but it seems like the 25k HP was lost in more than 1 second? First timestamp is 71 seconds, and then the last one is almost 77 seconds. Again, maybe I'm missing something or I should actually add the numbers up, but I feel like you might be overreacting.

    I was continuously healing,

    Damage is too much faster incoming, see my total healing.

    How can someone doing many hit in very shorter time?
    Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 26, 2019 1:28PM
  • x48rph
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    Looks like he was mainly hitting you with elemental weapon buffed light attacks, which also procs his weapon enchant. And you had a DOT from flame reach along with burning. Was also a spell orb and a bash thrown in as well over over the course of about 6 seconds so yeah, looks quite normal to me.
  • VaranisArano
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    Probably not. The only thing that seems odd timing wise is Elemental Weapon/Light Attack, but since those two are basically a proc, I'm not sure if the close timing is just a matter of how the game registers the damage. The timing of light attacks in relation to each other, and skills in relation to each other seems fine.

    Its very easy to lose lots of health quickly in PVP, and without knowing things like your build, your mitigation, etc. Its pretty hard to tell if you losing 25k health in 5-6 seconds is abnormal.
    Edited by VaranisArano on July 26, 2019 1:35PM
  • CAB_Life
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    Recount looks fine, though you may have desynced and perceived it all at once.
  • Royaji
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    Probably not. The only thing that seems odd timing wise is Elemental Weapon/Light Attack, but since those two are basically a proc, I'm not sure if the close timing is just a matter of how the game registers the damage. The timing of light attacks in relation to each other, and skills in relation to each other seems fine.

    Its very easy to lose lots of health quickly in PVP, and without knowing things like your build, your mitigation, etc. Its pretty hard to tell if you losing 25k health in 5-6 seconds is abnormal.

    Elemental Weapon deals damage on Light Attacks so it's prefectly fine that they hit basically at the same time.
  • Donny_Vito
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    Lord_Eomer wrote: »
    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    I didn't do the math (too early), but it seems like the 25k HP was lost in more than 1 second? First timestamp is 71 seconds, and then the last one is almost 77 seconds. Again, maybe I'm missing something or I should actually add the numbers up, but I feel like you might be overreacting.

    I was continuously healing,

    Damage is too much faster incoming, see my total healing.

    How can someone doing many hit in very shorter time?

    I'm on console, so not really too familiar with this combat metrics...but is there a view that displays incoming damage (like the one you posted) and you're healing?
  • Lord_Eomer
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    CAB_Life wrote: »
    Recount looks fine, though you may have desynced and perceived it all at once.

    Well not really descyned, had almost similar every time in death recap.

    It may be build then pretty much OP and harder to be convinced.
  • RexyCat
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    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    Lord_Eomer wrote: »
    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    I didn't do the math (too early), but it seems like the 25k HP was lost in more than 1 second? First timestamp is 71 seconds, and then the last one is almost 77 seconds. Again, maybe I'm missing something or I should actually add the numbers up, but I feel like you might be overreacting.

    I was continuously healing,

    Damage is too much faster incoming, see my total healing.

    How can someone doing many hit in very shorter time?

    I'm on console, so not really too familiar with this combat metrics...but is there a view that displays incoming damage (like the one you posted) and you're healing?

    Combat Metric is an add on for pc. There is nowadays an in game log you can be enabled within settings. Don't know if console also have this. It will create a text file which you can read.
  • Lord_Eomer
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    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    Lord_Eomer wrote: »
    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    I didn't do the math (too early), but it seems like the 25k HP was lost in more than 1 second? First timestamp is 71 seconds, and then the last one is almost 77 seconds. Again, maybe I'm missing something or I should actually add the numbers up, but I feel like you might be overreacting.

    I was continuously healing,

    Damage is too much faster incoming, see my total healing.

    How can someone doing many hit in very shorter time?

    I'm on console, so not really too familiar with this combat metrics...but is there a view that displays incoming damage (like the one you posted) and you're healing?

    Its showing damage taken in log and in bottom showing healing output
  • Lord_Eomer
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    Asgari wrote: »
    Am i reading the buffs part right.. you only had your armor buff up 50% of the time.. id say thats your problem

    Anyway damage was too faster, can not believe so many hits in a sec and hardly a single dot was incomming
  • ThePedge
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    No macros no cheats
    We may be down but we will never be out.
  • VaranisArano
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    Royaji wrote: »
    Probably not. The only thing that seems odd timing wise is Elemental Weapon/Light Attack, but since those two are basically a proc, I'm not sure if the close timing is just a matter of how the game registers the damage. The timing of light attacks in relation to each other, and skills in relation to each other seems fine.

    Its very easy to lose lots of health quickly in PVP, and without knowing things like your build, your mitigation, etc. Its pretty hard to tell if you losing 25k health in 5-6 seconds is abnormal.

    Elemental Weapon deals damage on Light Attacks so it's prefectly fine that they hit basically at the same time.

    That's more or less what I thought. But I've never looked at the timing of someone attacking me with it to know for sure.

    Thanks!
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    @jcm2606 Elemental Weapon applies a random status effect every hit, so the 2 concussions and the last burning you see on the recap there is from that, not enchants.
  • jcm2606
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    @jcm2606 Elemental Weapon applies a random status effect every hit, so the 2 concussions and the last burning you see on the recap there is from that, not enchants.

    Ah okay, good to know. Goes to show how often I use it! (Basically never, don't play ranged mag much.)
    @jcm2606 | PC NA | CP 1000+ | Stormproof | Boethia's Scythe
  • Firstmep
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    My stamplar bg toon can down a lot of ppl in 2-3seconds, simple dizzy +dawny into jabs.
    In bgs theres no cp carrying your defenses, you gotta rely on skill and gear purely.
    And teamwork ofc.
  • Donny_Vito
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    Lord_Eomer wrote: »
    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    Lord_Eomer wrote: »
    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    I didn't do the math (too early), but it seems like the 25k HP was lost in more than 1 second? First timestamp is 71 seconds, and then the last one is almost 77 seconds. Again, maybe I'm missing something or I should actually add the numbers up, but I feel like you might be overreacting.

    I was continuously healing,

    Damage is too much faster incoming, see my total healing.

    How can someone doing many hit in very shorter time?

    I'm on console, so not really too familiar with this combat metrics...but is there a view that displays incoming damage (like the one you posted) and you're healing?

    Its showing damage taken in log and in bottom showing healing output

    The bottom seems to show the overall healing output. I was just wondering if they had a view which showed timestamps for healing received/amount like it shows for incoming damage.
    Edited by Donny_Vito on July 26, 2019 4:32PM
  • Lord_Eomer
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Definietly not cheats. Intervals between elemental weapon hits are withit 0,9 sec global cooldown rest are just status effects from ele weapon , enchantment procs and reach DoT ticks. Only thing that boosted that persons burst damage propably at opening was smart usage of elemental weapon and connecting it with reach into 1 combo simply by casting ele weapon 1st and then doing light attack+reach in next weave so there was la+ele weapon+reach+ optionally enchantment hitting at the same time but that is a pure guess since if it happened it was earlier in combat log.

    As for the amount of damage it's also pretty regular nothing shady here. Mistakes were made mostly on Your side @Lord_Eomer by allowing that enemy to treat You like a dummy parse and letting him contiinously weave attacks at You when You were just spamming heals which by the way seems to be pretty low which suggest Your build may be also not very great. You've just met decent player and allowed him to go purely into offense against You so there could be only one outcome. As for the damage itself 25k dmg in little bit less then 6 seconds gives something slightly over 4k DPS which is pretty standard and nothing to be suprised about.

    I am pretty good in BG, it was not a dummy parse. I was dodging a lot and healing but still got hit pretty much straight away!

    You are guessing from log but I wish to have a video instead!

    Anyway Elemental Weapon applying random effect without cool-down is an unfair advantage and might need some tweaking.

    Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 26, 2019 4:39PM
  • kromegas
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    Honestly- this all used to get my blood boiling- but there is one thing you all are not factoring in...


    LAG


    Lag kills.
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