Healing ward is too OP

Delparis

https://youtu.be/BVGeFkoYv_s

pieratsos

gotta love the sorc pun in the end. lol

wheem_ESO

I don't mind nerfs to the PTS version of Healing Ward, but I hope they don't completely gut it just for the sake of gimmicky builds that are only possible in CP-PvP.

brandonv516

wheem_ESO wrote: »

I don't mind nerfs to the PTS version of Healing Ward, but I hope they don't completely gut it just for the sake of gimmicky builds that are only possible in CP-PvP.

Yeah hopefully they will find a balance for it rather than making it more useless than it is on live right now.

I have really high hopes for this skill coming out right. That's usually not a good thing to get excited about something in this game though lol.

Deathlord92

Healing ward is strong so is vigor that’s how it should be I hate nerfs.

leepalmer95

Delparis wrote: »

https://youtu.be/BVGeFkoYv_s

Hahahahahaha

Iskiab

How the heck are you getting 12k tooltips of healing ward? That’s 4x the values I see, is this purely a CP issue?

therift

Would the effect be similar with a non-Black Rose resto and different source of Major Vitality, such as a Lingering Health / Vitality potion?

Asgari

therift wrote: »

Would the effect be similar with a non-Black Rose resto and different source of Major Vitality, such as a Lingering Health / Vitality potion?

Yes it would be the same. If you have major vitality from a potion it’s like having the brp resto just not each time you cast the ward.

DrSweetazz

So excited for this perfectly made video to be looked over and a ridiculous skill to make it to live....

PLEASE prove me wrong zos

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Iskiab wrote: »

How the heck are you getting 12k tooltips of healing ward? That’s 4x the values I see, is this purely a CP issue?

My best best is 20% into bastion. You would not see the Tooltip he has for harness otherwise.

wheem_ESO

Iskiab wrote: »

How the heck are you getting 12k tooltips of healing ward? That’s 4x the values I see, is this purely a CP issue?

CP + gimmick build(s). He's running Necropotence, Crafty Alfiq, two 1x Monster Set pieces with max magicka, Arcane Jewelry, full Divines traits with max magicka mundus stone, Double Bloody Mara drink, and has 12k spell resist and 10k physical resist (unbuffed). That's what leads to the 60k+ max magicka and 11.4k stamina with CP enabled. In other words, if he tried to go into a BG with some halfway decent opposition, he'd probably stay dead most of the match.

I can't say for sure whether or not the current PTS iteration of Healing Ward is too good for no-CP PvP, since there aren't any BGs going on, but what's shown in the video most certainly isn't possible without max CP and a gimmicky build.

leepalmer95

Iskiab wrote: »

How the heck are you getting 12k tooltips of healing ward? That’s 4x the values I see, is this purely a CP issue?

I mean cp, non cp this skill is in a world on its own.

Even if you change the build slightly, maybe run a defensive monster set, a few protective and all impen it'll still be easy 10-11k without blackrose.

If a hot even hits 3k a tick then its very strong then. Nevermind far above that.

brandonv516

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

How the heck are you getting 12k tooltips of healing ward? That’s 4x the values I see, is this purely a CP issue?

I mean cp, non cp this skill is in a world on its own.

Even if you change the build slightly, maybe run a defensive monster set, a few protective and all impen it'll still be easy 10-11k without blackrose.

If a hot even hits 3k a tick then its very strong then. Nevermind far above that.

Most players will only take advantage of 1 (maybe 2) of those ticks so 3k wouldn't be that impressive.

leepalmer95

brandonv516 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

How the heck are you getting 12k tooltips of healing ward? That’s 4x the values I see, is this purely a CP issue?

I mean cp, non cp this skill is in a world on its own.

Even if you change the build slightly, maybe run a defensive monster set, a few protective and all impen it'll still be easy 10-11k without blackrose.

If a hot even hits 3k a tick then its very strong then. Nevermind far above that.

Most players will only take advantage of 1 (maybe 2) of those ticks so 3k wouldn't be that impressive.

It would still be a nice hot, with shield stacking you can get a few ticks easy, maybe even them all.

Still in its current state even a very tanky, low dmg setup it still going to hit high ticks.

Austinseph1

Eso forums: 51% pvp salt, 48% calls for nerfs, 1% memes.

TimeDazzler

In a few moments, emma_overload will be here to defend this ***.

Iskiab

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

How the heck are you getting 12k tooltips of healing ward? That’s 4x the values I see, is this purely a CP issue?

I mean cp, non cp this skill is in a world on its own.

Even if you change the build slightly, maybe run a defensive monster set, a few protective and all impen it'll still be easy 10-11k without blackrose.

If a hot even hits 3k a tick then its very strong then. Nevermind far above that.

Not even close. Tooltip for healing ward on live are about 3k tops if you’re running a realistic build in no-CP. The ability’s base amount was buffed a bit, so 3.5k base. On a low health target 7k tops. That would be with Necropence, sustain set and a defensive monster.

I was wondering why his video was all divines. It takes 2 minutes to transmute a full set to impen.

I mean I got a 32k echoing vigor tooltip on my Warden pve build. That’s 3k HPS per target hitting 6 people, doesn’t have anything to do with pvp though so it’s in the pve feedback section. OP should have specified he’s talking about pve.

wheem_ESO

Iskiab wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

How the heck are you getting 12k tooltips of healing ward? That’s 4x the values I see, is this purely a CP issue?

I mean cp, non cp this skill is in a world on its own.

Even if you change the build slightly, maybe run a defensive monster set, a few protective and all impen it'll still be easy 10-11k without blackrose.

If a hot even hits 3k a tick then its very strong then. Nevermind far above that.

Not even close. Tooltip for healing ward on live are about 3k tops if you’re running a realistic build in no-CP. The ability’s base amount was buffed a bit, so 3.5k base. On a low health target 7k tops. That would be with Necropence, sustain set and a defensive monster.

I was wondering why his video was all divines. It takes 2 minutes to transmute a full set to impen.

I mean I got a 32k echoing vigor tooltip on my Warden pve build. That’s 3k HPS per target hitting 6 people, doesn’t have anything to do with pvp though so it’s in the pve feedback section. OP should have specified he’s talking about pve.

It's not about PvE, and he's making the video in CP-enabled Cyrodiil.

Emma_Overload

1500 Magicka regen + ALL DIVINES???

LMFAO, THIS IS NOT A REAL BUILD.

BYE FELICIA!

Emma_Overload

Cries wrote: »

In a few moments, emma_overload will be here to defend this ***.

Sorry, I was at McDonald's stuffing my face, but I'm back now.

NOBODY is going to be running a build like this because it has no sustain and no mitigation. This clown is going to be eating 20K Incaps that wipe his shield and half his health bar in one hit.

WrathOfInnos

The healing ward changes actually fit with the theme of the patch. AoE DoTs were greatly reduced, and ST DoTs were buffed. AoE HoTs were reduced (especially Springs not stacking), and ST HoTs were buffed (including the new version of healing ward). It’s clear that they want abilities that focus a single target (damage or healing) to outperform anything area-based. This does make some sense, and in large battles a few healers will have a harder time keeping large numbers of players alive, but they can effectively focus heal a few with this skill.

I guess one aspect of this change is that healing ward is now more powerful than before for solo or small groups, but keep in mind that all of the DoTs used in this situation will also be hitting harder, so healing needs to keep up (same reason why Vigor was buffed and given a self-heal morph). Things were certainly feel and play differently than before, but I don’t know that we can say at this point the new game balance is bad, or even less fun than before, just different and strange.

ProzTh3Almighty

Its a little over the top even if his build isnt “realistic”, but if you watched his channel you would see him 1vX on this same build.. with impen obviously. Hes a great player and build crafter an Id heed what hes saying because he isnt biased like most forum goers. He plays every class and attribute set up. Just cause hes not running a build YOU can be effective in doesnt me HE isnt effective. Js

Qbiken

Iskiab wrote: »

How the heck are you getting 12k tooltips of healing ward? That’s 4x the values I see, is this purely a CP issue?

With Blackrose restoration staff on PTS (magDK) I can consistently get 7-8k healing ward ticks without any cp or major mending (same build as I use on live in open world so no nisched setup). In CP without any investment into bastion or healing increasing cp I get around 10-12k healing ward ticks.

Blackrose restoration staff has been overperforming since it was released and if the healing ward change goes live it will just be ridiculously broken xD

Derra

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

How the heck are you getting 12k tooltips of healing ward? That’s 4x the values I see, is this purely a CP issue?

CP + gimmick build(s). He's running Necropotence, Crafty Alfiq, two 1x Monster Set pieces with max magicka, Arcane Jewelry, full Divines traits with max magicka mundus stone, Double Bloody Mara drink, and has 12k spell resist and 10k physical resist (unbuffed). That's what leads to the 60k+ max magicka and 11.4k stamina with CP enabled. In other words, if he tried to go into a BG with some halfway decent opposition, he'd probably stay dead most of the match.

I can't say for sure whether or not the current PTS iteration of Healing Ward is too good for no-CP PvP, since there aren't any BGs going on, but what's shown in the video most certainly isn't possible without max CP and a gimmicky build.

Healing ward scales on spelldmg + max magica so going for a pure maxmag build is not ideal.

danara

I am not sure but I believe that right Now the heal from healing ward isnt affected by Battle Spirit (healing output reduce by 50% in pvp area)...

So yeah it is powerfull but because it is bugged in the case i am right about Battle spirit

So it is strong again even after Battle spirit, but i think that 70% nerf like the video said is too much...

Emma_Overload

danara wrote: »

I am not sure but I believe that right Now the heal from healing ward isnt affected by Battle Spirit (healing output reduce by 50% in pvp area)...

So yeah it is powerfull but because it is bugged in the case i am right about Battle spirit

So it is strong again even after Battle spirit, but i think that 70% nerf like the video said is too much...

It's not bugged. The heal is based on the size of the shield, which IS affected by Battle Spirit. Cutting the heal in half, too, would be double dipping. This has already been explained a million times!

danara

@Emma_Overload that is the thing, on the pts im not sure it works...

They sayed it on the 5.1.1 or 5.1.2 patch note i cant remember which one.

But if you said so I trust you and yeah in this case it need to be nerf... Too bad it ll also affected pve healer Who dont have any access to an émergence heal...

technohic

This seems sort of like the crazy bleeds tooltip last PTS. Not sure how realistic it would be but alarming.

Aurielle

ProzTh3Almighty wrote: »

Its a little over the top even if his build isnt “realistic”, but if you watched his channel you would see him 1vX on this same build.. with impen obviously. Hes a great player and build crafter an Id heed what hes saying because he isnt biased like most forum goers. He plays every class and attribute set up. Just cause hes not running a build YOU can be effective in doesnt me HE isnt effective. Js

Not biased? You’re talking about the guy who cried about how “bad” Templars are, who played BGs naked on his Templar to protest how “bad” the class is, and declared sorcs “OP” after he played a few low MMR matches on a sorc against noob potatoes.

EtTuBrutus

For the love of God. On a realistic build this still over 10k per second. Anyone defending this is clearly biased and needs to stop talking. 100% this gets adjusted.