Resolving Vigor should scale with max stats.
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Over the last few patches, mulitiple magicka class based heals have received the ability to scale with weapon power and max stamina. The same should be applied to vigor.
Proposal: Resolving vigor now scales with max stats. Echoing vigor would remain stamina scaling only.
The current state of self healing in pvp is heavily imbalanced. Magicka shields have been heavily nerfed, while many stamina classes have the capability to stack both vigor and class based self healing. Examples include warden, necro, , stam dk and to a degree, stam sorc and templar.
For the forum warriors who will immediately start screaming, this would allow zos to gut shields even further.
In addition to mag heals scaling with max stam, we now have the new soul trap, which costs mag but scales off wd/stam. Its time to give a little the other way. No current stamina skills scale with max mag.
Edited by iCaliban on July 18, 2019 5:36PM Proposal: Resolving vigor now scales with max stats. Echoing vigor would remain stamina scaling only.
The current state of self healing in pvp is heavily imbalanced. Magicka shields have been heavily nerfed, while many stamina classes have the capability to stack both vigor and class based self healing. Examples include warden, necro, , stam dk and to a degree, stam sorc and templar.
For the forum warriors who will immediately start screaming, this would allow zos to gut shields even further.
In addition to mag heals scaling with max stam, we now have the new soul trap, which costs mag but scales off wd/stam. Its time to give a little the other way. No current stamina skills scale with max mag.
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DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm down for a 5 piece crafted set that swaps scaling. Things that scale off stam and weapon damage switch to magicka and spell damage, and vice versa (including cost). This'd make your magicka vigor a reality.2 -
iCaliban✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah lemme get a BoL that scales off max stats while we’re at it.
They have already done that with warden shrooms and natures grasp and the new necro tether.
Vigor is a hot, not a burst heal. You could ask for stam BOL when rally scales with max mag for instance.Edited by iCaliban on July 18, 2019 5:51PM1 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I believe all heals and shields should scale from max stats whereas all offensive abilities should scale from weapon and spell damage. I've hated the fact that both your offensive and defensive abilities scale from the same stats. It's lazy, and makes it so you don't have to sacrifice damage for survivability.8 -
iCaliban✭✭✭✭✭
✭I believe all heals and shields should scale from max stats whereas all offensive abilities should scale from weapon and spell damage. I've hated the fact that both your offensive and defensive abilities scale from the same stats. It's lazy, and makes it so you don't have to sacrifice damage for survivability.
Thats a whole different topic, and one im somewhat sympethatic towards. From a pvp perspective, this sort of already exists. If you stack max stat/damage, the trade off is loss of off stat (deadly on mag toons) or resists. Which is why pirate skeleton got nerfed. You could stack all the damage and healing you wanted, and PS would give you more than enough damage resist to compensate.
As for this actual topic, I believe literally every singe class based HOT now scales with stam/wd. Natures embrace, healing tether, cauterize, surge, extended ritual all scale off stam/wd. Which can be stacked with vigor.0 -
LukosCreyden✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Just make EVERYTHING scale with max stats! Homogenization at its finest!Struggling to find a new class to call home.Please send help.5 -
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✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »I'm down for a 5 piece crafted set that swaps scaling. Things that scale off stam and weapon damage switch to magicka and spell damage, and vice versa (including cost). This'd make your magicka vigor a reality.
That is a really cool idea. Kudos for out of the box thinking.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »I'm down for a 5 piece crafted set that swaps scaling. Things that scale off stam and weapon damage switch to magicka and spell damage, and vice versa (including cost). This'd make your magicka vigor a reality.
This sounds absolutely amazing. Add Pelinal‘s Aptitude to it and you could create some really unique builds.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭What magbuild in pvp has the necessary stam to be popping a vigor routinely? I mean- sure go ahead and let it scale- you won’t see many builds that can afford it.0 -
delichon✭✭What's the point? Magicka characters can't afford stamina skill anyway. It should have magicka morph, or Rapid Regeneration should be a magicka equivalent of Vigor and should target self only.3
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✭✭✭✭✭I just think it is a bad idea to want homogenization. It is boring. OP might as well be asking for bow abilities to scale off magicka as well.0 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What's the point? Magicka characters can't afford stamina skill anyway. It should have magicka morph, or Rapid Regeneration should be a magicka equivalent of Vigor and should target self only.
I’d like to have a good and reliable heal outside of Resto Staff. And yes, many class healing Magicka skills are bad and don’t rival Vigor.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
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I agree with this and sword daggers axes etc should scale with both to. I love melee magblade almost as much as my stamblade almost 🙂Over the last few patches, mulitiple magicka class based heals have received the ability to scale with weapon power and max stamina. The same should be applied to vigor.
Proposal: Resolving vigor now scales with max stats. Echoing vigor would remain stamina scaling only.
The current state of self healing in pvp is heavily imbalanced. Magicka shields have been heavily nerfed, while many stamina classes have the capability to stack both vigor and class based self healing. Examples include warden, necro, , stam dk and to a degree, stam sorc and templar.
For the forum warriors who will immediately start screaming, this would allow zos to gut shields even further.
In addition to mag heals scaling with max stam, we now have the new soul trap, which costs mag but scales off wd/stam. Its time to give a little the other way. No current stamina skills scale with max mag.
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xAk_MoRRoWiNdx✭✭✭Of the many things I don't understand about this game, this is one of them. Realistically, shouldn't EVERYTHING scales off of their respective "play style" if you will.
Breath of Life - scales off Max Magicka
Vigor - Scales off Max Stamina
Rally - Scales off Max Stamina
Healing Ward - scales off Max Magicka
Like, I don't even know how to word this properly: Vigor didn't scale off of Stam?? Just WD?
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✭I agree not only should vigor get this change but ALL heals should scale from max stats.
I made a thread about this a while back and it was met with magicka players saying how this would buff stam, how it would be a bad change, it would make mag builds irrelevant etc. lo behold mag players now want this change.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/481299/suggestion-make-all-heals-scale-off-your-highest-max-stats/p1Edited by Anti_Virus on July 19, 2019 4:37AMPower Wealth And Influence.2 -
sly007✭✭✭✭Over the last few patches, mulitiple magicka class based heals have received the ability to scale with weapon power and max stamina. The same should be applied to vigor.
Proposal: Resolving vigor now scales with max stats. Echoing vigor would remain stamina scaling only.
The current state of self healing in pvp is heavily imbalanced. Magicka shields have been heavily nerfed, while many stamina classes have the capability to stack both vigor and class based self healing. Examples include warden, necro, , stam dk and to a degree, stam sorc and templar.
For the forum warriors who will immediately start screaming, this would allow zos to gut shields even further.
In addition to mag heals scaling with max stam, we now have the new soul trap, which costs mag but scales off wd/stam. Its time to give a little the other way. No current stamina skills scale with max mag.
Stamina should get shields that scale with max stamina as well, proxi with highest stats, and 10% crit chance for wearing 5 medium instead of 7%.0 -
Saril_Durzam✭✭✭✭One thing i dont understand. Why Fear is breaking up with stamina? It looks more flavourly with magicka.
There wont be balance while dodge (100% dmg mitigation) keeps scaled as stamina0
