Changes I would like to see for Nightblades

Strider__Roshin

1) Remove Silence from Incap, and give it Major Defile instead at base cost. No special effect at 120 Ult.

2) Remove the 5% armor penetration debuff, and replace it with minor fracture instead. Have it apply at all times regardless of angle.

3) Change the assassination passive so that it benefits non-gankers. Getting the jump on your opponent is enough of an advantage as it is, you don't need an additional 10% WD and SD on top of it.

labambao

Also give surprise fracture back and concealed major breach
Remove fracture from mark
Give mark minor vulnerability and magicka steal mb
Make mark cost magicka
Give ambush same dot as lotus, but physical.

Strider__Roshin

labambao wrote: »

Also give surprise fracture back and concealed major breach
Remove fracture from mark
Give mark minor vulnerability and magicka steal mb
Make mark cost magicka
Give ambush same dot as lotus, but physical.

I mean, I would love that honestly. Not sure if those would be too strong though.

MartiniDaniels

Yep, NB is obviously over-nerfed right now. I'm wondering if they continue to nerf in U24, 6 patch in a row.

Iskiab

Are a Stamblades doing okay? It’s hard to keep track.

MagNB wish list:
2.5% mitigation per stack of merciless (I can live with unsightly 1/2 percentages)
Funnel Health 100% of damage as healing on three targets, 20 Sec duration or... have it add major lifesteal to the target
Refreshing Path - increase healing another 20% or... minor vitality as an additional effect so NBs have a nice buff like Templars and Wardens
Something to up NB damage for pve - I’m not sure what

susmitds

I could live with the 5% pen debuff if they made it apply without flanking.

Murador178

Iskiab wrote: »

Are a Stamblades doing okay? It’s hard to keep track.

MagNB wish list:
2.5% mitigation per stack of merciless (I can live with unsightly 1/2 percentages)
Funnel Health 100% of damage as healing on three targets, 20 Sec duration or... have it add major lifesteal to the target
Refreshing Path - increase healing another 20% or... minor vitality as an additional effect so NBs have a nice buff like Templars and Wardens
Something to up NB damage for pve - I’m not sure what

Mag nb is in a really bad spot, so that doesnt mean that stamblade is in a good spot does it?

labambao

Also mass hysteria. Everyone now have mass hysteria that cost Stam. And it's give you minor protection and endurance.and unlimited targets. Any point to run hysteria over it, except resource minigame, but in case of shade cost atm it's just a nonsense to use one more magicka skill. So our hysteria need something too.
Mb it can be a dmg if target break free?
Or better let it immobilize your Foe, as fossilize do.

John_Falstaff

susmitds wrote: »

I could live with the 5% pen debuff if they made it apply without flanking.

Thing is, since it's counted after all debuffs are already subtracted, it ends up being fantastically useless for PvE, something like 250-300 penetration. It's the same issue as with maces.

Once they've started nerfing, they won't stop, they'll nerf everything into the ground. Cast time on incap is weird and helps absolutely nobody (even in PvP dodging or blocking it wasn't an issue). Surprise attack, once a great spammable, is now eclipsed by Flurry with its annoying channel time and requirement of keeping a moving target in the reticle for all jabs to land (especially with vMA DW, since only the last jab applies Cruel Flurry buff). Forced transitioning of everyone and their dog to DoTs goes against the stamblade's class identity and leaves the spec behind.

Homogenization. Simplest way to equalize classes is to make them all use the same abilities. Next update, I expect them to remove the passives too. ^^

labambao

John_Falstaff wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

I could live with the 5% pen debuff if they made it apply without flanking.

Thing is, since it's counted after all debuffs are already subtracted, it ends up being fantastically useless for PvE, something like 250-300 penetration. It's the same issue as with maces.

Once they've started nerfing, they won't stop, they'll nerf everything into the ground. Cast time on incap is weird and helps absolutely nobody (even in PvP dodging or blocking it wasn't an issue). Surprise attack, once a great spammable, is now eclipsed by Flurry with its annoying channel time and requirement of keeping a moving target in the reticle for all jabs to land (especially with vMA DW, since only the last jab applies Cruel Flurry buff). Forced transitioning of everyone and their dog to DoTs goes against the stamblade's class identity and leaves the spec behind.

Homogenization. Simplest way to equalize classes is to make them all use the same abilities. Next update, I expect them to remove the passives too. ^^

Cyrodiil 2022: naked nords fistfight each other.

Strider__Roshin

labambao wrote: »

Also mass hysteria. Everyone now have mass hysteria that cost Stam. And it's give you minor protection and endurance.and unlimited targets. Any point to run hysteria over it, except resource minigame, but in case of shade cost atm it's just a nonsense to use one more magicka skill. So our hysteria need something too.
Mb it can be a dmg if target break free?
Or better let it immobilize your Foe, as fossilize do.

Not a bad idea. I'm already planning on dropping Mass Hysteria for Turn Evil, but this would make me at least consider MH. Still don't think it would be worth it though unless they remove minor protection from Turn Evil.

Hashtag_

Nightblade is fine l2p

Insco851

Murador178 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Are a Stamblades doing okay? It’s hard to keep track.

MagNB wish list:
2.5% mitigation per stack of merciless (I can live with unsightly 1/2 percentages)
Funnel Health 100% of damage as healing on three targets, 20 Sec duration or... have it add major lifesteal to the target
Refreshing Path - increase healing another 20% or... minor vitality as an additional effect so NBs have a nice buff like Templars and Wardens
Something to up NB damage for pve - I’m not sure what

Mag nb is in a really bad spot, so that doesnt mean that stamblade is in a good spot does it?

Solid non answer for a straight forward question.

Stamblade doesn’t strike fear like it did before- I’ve ran into a few that still make it work but it’s much more rare now.

Magblade isn’t in a really bad spot. More heals to come for the invis counterpart next patch as well.

Murador178

Insco851 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Are a Stamblades doing okay? It’s hard to keep track.

MagNB wish list:
2.5% mitigation per stack of merciless (I can live with unsightly 1/2 percentages)
Funnel Health 100% of damage as healing on three targets, 20 Sec duration or... have it add major lifesteal to the target
Refreshing Path - increase healing another 20% or... minor vitality as an additional effect so NBs have a nice buff like Templars and Wardens
Something to up NB damage for pve - I’m not sure what

Mag nb is in a really bad spot, so that doesnt mean that stamblade is in a good spot does it?

Solid non answer for a straight forward question.

Stamblade doesn’t strike fear like it did before- I’ve ran into a few that still make it work but it’s much more rare now.

Magblade isn’t in a really bad spot. More heals to come for the invis counterpart next patch as well.

My testing on the pts vs mageblades was very onesided - they all seemed to lack any damage and where squishy.

Insco851

Murador178 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Are a Stamblades doing okay? It’s hard to keep track.

MagNB wish list:
2.5% mitigation per stack of merciless (I can live with unsightly 1/2 percentages)
Funnel Health 100% of damage as healing on three targets, 20 Sec duration or... have it add major lifesteal to the target
Refreshing Path - increase healing another 20% or... minor vitality as an additional effect so NBs have a nice buff like Templars and Wardens
Something to up NB damage for pve - I’m not sure what

Mag nb is in a really bad spot, so that doesnt mean that stamblade is in a good spot does it?

Solid non answer for a straight forward question.

Stamblade doesn’t strike fear like it did before- I’ve ran into a few that still make it work but it’s much more rare now.

Magblade isn’t in a really bad spot. More heals to come for the invis counterpart next patch as well.

My testing on the pts vs mageblades was very onesided - they all seemed to lack any damage and where squishy.

Vs an onslaught stam build?

Also- were these dark cloak or shadowy disguise (invis) mnbs?

Strider__Roshin

Insco851 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Are a Stamblades doing okay? It’s hard to keep track.

MagNB wish list:
2.5% mitigation per stack of merciless (I can live with unsightly 1/2 percentages)
Funnel Health 100% of damage as healing on three targets, 20 Sec duration or... have it add major lifesteal to the target
Refreshing Path - increase healing another 20% or... minor vitality as an additional effect so NBs have a nice buff like Templars and Wardens
Something to up NB damage for pve - I’m not sure what

Mag nb is in a really bad spot, so that doesnt mean that stamblade is in a good spot does it?

Solid non answer for a straight forward question.

Stamblade doesn’t strike fear like it did before- I’ve ran into a few that still make it work but it’s much more rare now.

Magblade isn’t in a really bad spot. More heals to come for the invis counterpart next patch as well.

Stamblades are in a good spot, but next update they're going to be very banal. The abilities in their kit that made them strong and unique are being provided to every class, and better versions at that.

To respond to your inquiry about magblades though. Honestly the worst thing they did was remove Major Expedition from Cripple. In my opinion that change completely killed what made magblade fun. I say remove the root and bring back Major Expedition.

Insco851

Daus wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Are a Stamblades doing okay? It’s hard to keep track.

MagNB wish list:
2.5% mitigation per stack of merciless (I can live with unsightly 1/2 percentages)
Funnel Health 100% of damage as healing on three targets, 20 Sec duration or... have it add major lifesteal to the target
Refreshing Path - increase healing another 20% or... minor vitality as an additional effect so NBs have a nice buff like Templars and Wardens
Something to up NB damage for pve - I’m not sure what

Mag nb is in a really bad spot, so that doesnt mean that stamblade is in a good spot does it?

Solid non answer for a straight forward question.

Stamblade doesn’t strike fear like it did before- I’ve ran into a few that still make it work but it’s much more rare now.

Magblade isn’t in a really bad spot. More heals to come for the invis counterpart next patch as well.

Stamblades are in a good spot, but next update they're going to be very banal. The abilities in their kit that made them strong and unique are being provided to every class, and better versions at that.

To respond to your inquiry about magblades though. Honestly the worst thing they did was remove Major Expedition from Cripple. In my opinion that change completely killed what made magblade fun. I say remove the root and bring back Major Expedition.

Yes the fear for everyone change is disgusting.

I sorta miss the ME on cripple but it hasn’t made the class unplayable- RAT is almost mandatory now tho.

Strider__Roshin

Insco851 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Are a Stamblades doing okay? It’s hard to keep track.

MagNB wish list:
2.5% mitigation per stack of merciless (I can live with unsightly 1/2 percentages)
Funnel Health 100% of damage as healing on three targets, 20 Sec duration or... have it add major lifesteal to the target
Refreshing Path - increase healing another 20% or... minor vitality as an additional effect so NBs have a nice buff like Templars and Wardens
Something to up NB damage for pve - I’m not sure what

Mag nb is in a really bad spot, so that doesnt mean that stamblade is in a good spot does it?

Solid non answer for a straight forward question.

Stamblade doesn’t strike fear like it did before- I’ve ran into a few that still make it work but it’s much more rare now.

Magblade isn’t in a really bad spot. More heals to come for the invis counterpart next patch as well.

Stamblades are in a good spot, but next update they're going to be very banal. The abilities in their kit that made them strong and unique are being provided to every class, and better versions at that.

To respond to your inquiry about magblades though. Honestly the worst thing they did was remove Major Expedition from Cripple. In my opinion that change completely killed what made magblade fun. I say remove the root and bring back Major Expedition.

Yes the fear for everyone change is disgusting.

I sorta miss the ME on cripple but it hasn’t made the class unplayable- RAT is almost mandatory now tho.

Agreed. I even use it on my stamblade lol

Insco851

Daus wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Are a Stamblades doing okay? It’s hard to keep track.

MagNB wish list:
2.5% mitigation per stack of merciless (I can live with unsightly 1/2 percentages)
Funnel Health 100% of damage as healing on three targets, 20 Sec duration or... have it add major lifesteal to the target
Refreshing Path - increase healing another 20% or... minor vitality as an additional effect so NBs have a nice buff like Templars and Wardens
Something to up NB damage for pve - I’m not sure what

Mag nb is in a really bad spot, so that doesnt mean that stamblade is in a good spot does it?

Solid non answer for a straight forward question.

Stamblade doesn’t strike fear like it did before- I’ve ran into a few that still make it work but it’s much more rare now.

Magblade isn’t in a really bad spot. More heals to come for the invis counterpart next patch as well.

Stamblades are in a good spot, but next update they're going to be very banal. The abilities in their kit that made them strong and unique are being provided to every class, and better versions at that.

To respond to your inquiry about magblades though. Honestly the worst thing they did was remove Major Expedition from Cripple. In my opinion that change completely killed what made magblade fun. I say remove the root and bring back Major Expedition.

Yes the fear for everyone change is disgusting.

I sorta miss the ME on cripple but it hasn’t made the class unplayable- RAT is almost mandatory now tho.

Agreed. I even use it on my stamblade lol

The major difference is the blitz combos you could run off of cripple previously. I’m used to it being gone already. Don’t even think about it anymore.

Undefwun

Insco851 wrote: »

Yes the fear for everyone change is disgusting.

I sorta miss the ME on cripple but it hasn’t made the class unplayable- RAT is almost mandatory now tho.

I don't know where to put it... and even alternately casting RaT and Cloak when I did run it... only increased the survival chances a lil bit.

The way my magblade has been setup, it's like I have to drop either Lots or Cripple to fit RaT or lose another important skill.

Wish we could slot normal abilities in Ulti slots...

Strider__Roshin

Undefwun wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Yes the fear for everyone change is disgusting.

I sorta miss the ME on cripple but it hasn’t made the class unplayable- RAT is almost mandatory now tho.

I don't know where to put it... and even alternately casting RaT and Cloak when I did run it... only increased the survival chances a lil bit.

The way my magblade has been setup, it's like I have to drop either Lots or Cripple to fit RaT or lose another important skill.

Wish we could slot normal abilities in Ulti slots...

That would be cool

Insco851

Insco851 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Are a Stamblades doing okay? It’s hard to keep track.

MagNB wish list:
2.5% mitigation per stack of merciless (I can live with unsightly 1/2 percentages)
Funnel Health 100% of damage as healing on three targets, 20 Sec duration or... have it add major lifesteal to the target
Refreshing Path - increase healing another 20% or... minor vitality as an additional effect so NBs have a nice buff like Templars and Wardens
Something to up NB damage for pve - I’m not sure what

Mag nb is in a really bad spot, so that doesnt mean that stamblade is in a good spot does it?

Solid non answer for a straight forward question.

Stamblade doesn’t strike fear like it did before- I’ve ran into a few that still make it work but it’s much more rare now.

Magblade isn’t in a really bad spot. More heals to come for the invis counterpart next patch as well.

My testing on the pts vs mageblades was very onesided - they all seemed to lack any damage and where squishy.

Vs an onslaught stam build?

Also- were these dark cloak or shadowy disguise (invis) mnbs?

@Murador178

Reason I ask- we didn’t lose any additional dmg so far in the pts unless healing has come out ahead of dmg by that much- and they SHOULD be running an additional Dot now to balance that regardless.

Lastly- unless they were crutching on PS, they can still get similar mitigation from live. -8% if they were to run the same setup from live in most cases. 5% from merciless stacks, 3% from protective. Their mitigation on live was a bit over performing anyways so I’d say this is probably a good change.

Interested in hearing what you ran into tho.

Iskiab

I wouldn’t worry too much about incap. Everyone, including mag, will run onslaught.

Only problem is you need 5 light attacks for the bow proc, but most fights won’t last that long. Name of the game will be lining up burst for one GCD kills.

I’m thinking there might be some cool NB builds using reapers mark. Reaper’s - charge - onslaught - Bow proc. Get that nice damage buff and line it up with the onslaught pen and go on a killing spree.

Jabbs_Giggity

Daus wrote: »

labambao wrote: »

Also give surprise fracture back and concealed major breach
Remove fracture from mark
Give mark minor vulnerability and magicka steal mb
Make mark cost magicka
Give ambush same dot as lotus, but physical.

I mean, I would love that honestly. Not sure if those would be too strong though.

I completely agree with all of these, with an exception.
Move Veiled Strike to Assassination. Move Blur to Shadow. - With this change, Veiled Strike would not be so overloaded because it would no longer proc Major Resolve/Ward.

Secondly, Mark should apply in the same fashion as Weakness to Elements and not have a maximum target Cap of 1 target (If retaining Major Fracture/Breach) - this would make the skill more viable with a Heal at end when killing target(s), plus option of Reveal or Berserk.

Veiled Strike should have a unique morph option other than Fracture/Breach, like a Bleed DoT when used under 25% Health.

Insco851

Iskiab wrote: »

I wouldn’t worry too much about you incap. Everyone, including mag, will run onslaught.

Only problem is you need 5 light attacks for the bow proc, but most fights won’t last that long. Name of the game will be lining up burst for one GCD kills.

I’m thinking there might be some cool NB builds using reapers mark. Reaper’s - charge - onslaught - Bow proc. Get that nice damage buff and line it up with the onslaught pen and go on a killing spree.

Just don’t see this going live. It’s clearly too much potential dmg. That pen bonus duration gonna get nerfed hard.

Iskiab

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I wouldn’t worry too much about you incap. Everyone, including mag, will run onslaught.

Only problem is you need 5 light attacks for the bow proc, but most fights won’t last that long. Name of the game will be lining up burst for one GCD kills.

I’m thinking there might be some cool NB builds using reapers mark. Reaper’s - charge - onslaught - Bow proc. Get that nice damage buff and line it up with the onslaught pen and go on a killing spree.

Just don’t see this going live.

Me neither, but you never know. For now I’m saving up my transmute stones and making evil plans.

With the stuck in combat bug the set that builds ultimate when you’re in combat will be nice. Only fight with onslaught up - the NB way. Like a super bomber. Imagine prox det with 30k pen and the reaper’s mark buff and minor vuln... lol.

SidraWillowsky

Iskiab wrote: »

Are a Stamblades doing okay? It’s hard to keep track.

Yeah, stamblades are fine. On live the only thing I've had to do differently post-Elsweyr is slot Piercing Mark to make up for the loss of major fracture on Surprise Attack. It's a bit annoying to have to work to keep it up all the time, and if it falls off I feel it, but that's really a petty complaint.

From a magblade perspective I'm pretty perturbed that EVERYONE now has access to fear. Isn't that going to result in ball groups going around and just spamming it endlessly?

Insco851

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I wouldn’t worry too much about you incap. Everyone, including mag, will run onslaught.

Only problem is you need 5 light attacks for the bow proc, but most fights won’t last that long. Name of the game will be lining up burst for one GCD kills.

I’m thinking there might be some cool NB builds using reapers mark. Reaper’s - charge - onslaught - Bow proc. Get that nice damage buff and line it up with the onslaught pen and go on a killing spree.

Just don’t see this going live.

Me neither, but you never know. For now I’m saving up my transmute stones and making evil plans.

With the stuck in combat bug the set that builds ultimate when you’re in combat will be nice. Only fight with onslaught up - the NB way. Like a super bomber. Imagine prox det with 30k pen and the reaper’s mark buff and minor vuln... lol.

Oy....and a 500 stack of balorgs

Iskiab

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Are a Stamblades doing okay? It’s hard to keep track.

From a magblade perspective I'm pretty perturbed that EVERYONE now has access to fear. Isn't that going to result in ball groups going around and just spamming it endlessly?

Costs too much. I mainly see them using the Necro root, negate, colossus, prox det and warden bugs. It melts people in a couple seconds.

It takes a couple of seconds for the fear to go off. In that amount of time anyone in that area’s already dead.

killingspreeb16_ESO

susmitds wrote: »

I could live with the 5% pen debuff if they made it apply without flanking.

Well it's not that hard to apply most of the time.

The problem is even with that debuff i feel it does very little difference.

Also yeah the silence on incap is trash id rather have nothing tbh.

The passive might change in U24 but i like it,i think is part of the identity for the NB class to have passive that synergize with the stealth playstyle.
That said since people are stuck in patch 1.6 to think stamblade still overperforming it might be a good change for the class.

TheRealSniker

Magblade is stronger open world than it was for the past year or so.
Stamblades been kicked out of the meta a little but are still in the Top 3 of open world specs.
What do you mean by overnerfed?