Protective jewels

Jodynn

They're pretty useless now

AMeanOne

Zos doesn't know how to lightly nerf something. It's gotta be either OP or worthless, there is no in between

RouDeR

I like the Plague Doctor nerf better, with combination of the removal of Entropy 8% increase health, now all Health Tanks are useless mudcrabs

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Yes, 3% less armor at max makes it so useless.

xaraan

Yeah, this is a problem ZoS often has when they 'balance' - the set went from useful to useless. No reason to run this over something else now, they might as well take it out of the game at this point. When you look at it alongside traits like bloodthirsty, swift, and infused, it was far from OP. Actually, about the only thing it might have balanced it against was the flat stat bonus. Now you might actually think giving up almost 800 stat isn't as good as using protective. Good job zos?

Strider__Roshin

It was barely over-nerfed. The mathematically balanced value should have been 1204. It's way closer to the mark than it was.

Nevasca

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, 3% less armor at max makes it so useless.

It went from 5532 to 3570 when using 3 protective. That's almost 2k less than the live value. I think they overnerfed it a little bit, but in terms of balancing it's always better to overshoot (either overnerf or overbuff) and then correct later.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Littlebluelizard wrote: »

show previous quotes

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, 3% less armor at max makes it so useless.

It went from 5532 to 3570 when using 3 protective. That's almost 2k less than the live value. I think they overnerfed it a little bit, but in terms of balancing it's always better to overshoot (either overnerf or overbuff) and then correct later.

660 armor = 1%, going from 8.38% with 5532 armor to 5.4% with 3570. 3% less armor.

xaraan

Anyone trying to argue that the % it lost isn't that much must not have thought it was that strong to begin with. If losing 1 or 3 or whatever % isn't that much, then having it isn't either. That argument goes both ways.

Fact is, if the set isn't worth considering vs. other options, then it's not valued correctly.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

xaraan wrote: »

Anyone trying to argue that the % it lost isn't that much must not have thought it was that strong to begin with. If losing 1 or 3 or whatever % isn't that much, then having it isn't either. That argument goes both ways.

Fact is, if the set isn't worth considering vs. other options, then it's not valued correctly.

well protective is not a "set"in the first place but you are right, i never saw the hoopla about at best, 8.38% more armor, which is, in reality, a lot less damage mitigation then that because of the way the game works.

Colecovision

So many crystals gone. Also, it was barely used in pve at all. Here I am playing this game that supposedly has pvp, but I can't even use it because of the lag, then my pve solo hm build gets crapped on because of pvp.

This is too frustrating.

MartiniDaniels

ESO is for the Nords!

John_Falstaff

Well, as a non-nord PvE tank (I'm a khajiit) who never could hit the resistance cap without serious tradeoffs as things stand, I can only say - thanks again, ZoS, for not separating PvE and PvP balancing; shows once more that I'm, as a player, is nothing but a money bag for you. ^^

And some people are genuinely surprised in general section as to why forums are often so hostile and negative. The way company treats us, we treat the company, nothing to be surprised about.

Waffennacht

Yeap, not worth it by any means.

You should equate the x3 jewel traits to a 5th piece bonus (aka brass for resistance or necro for mag) and 2.7k max mag is worth more than 3k resistance

SodanTok

They put protective on par of other traits. Literally it is on par with all other bonuses. Only reason its seen as useless is because of how overperfoming and efficient are many othe resistance granting sets.

I mean fortified brass is like 50% better than it should be. The single piece bonus on chudan helmet is 100% better than it should be and so on... If they finally reduced all of these tank meta would go away (or more probably find other way)

xaraan

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

show previous quotes

xaraan wrote: »

Anyone trying to argue that the % it lost isn't that much must not have thought it was that strong to begin with. If losing 1 or 3 or whatever % isn't that much, then having it isn't either. That argument goes both ways.

Fact is, if the set isn't worth considering vs. other options, then it's not valued correctly.

well protective is not a "set"in the first place but you are right, i never saw the hoopla about at best, 8.38% more armor, which is, in reality, a lot less damage mitigation then that because of the way the game works.

Pretty sure we all know what I mean when I say set. If anyone is confused, my apologies. Though if that confused anyone, you probably shouldn't be giving feedback.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

xaraan wrote: »

show previous quotes

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Anyone trying to argue that the % it lost isn't that much must not have thought it was that strong to begin with. If losing 1 or 3 or whatever % isn't that much, then having it isn't either. That argument goes both ways.

Fact is, if the set isn't worth considering vs. other options, then it's not valued correctly.

well protective is not a "set"in the first place but you are right, i never saw the hoopla about at best, 8.38% more armor, which is, in reality, a lot less damage mitigation then that because of the way the game works.

Pretty sure we all know what I mean when I say set. If anyone is confused, my apologies. Though if that confused anyone, you probably shouldn't be giving feedback.

I agree with you and you say I should not be providing feedback. Cool.

Jodynn

SodanTok wrote: »

They put protective on par of other traits. Literally it is on par with all other bonuses. Only reason its seen as useless is because of how overperfoming and efficient are many othe resistance granting sets.

I mean fortified brass is like 50% better than it should be. The single piece bonus on chudan helmet is 100% better than it should be and so on... If they finally reduced all of these tank meta would go away (or more probably find other way)

Whether it was overperfrmoning or not, the point is now for me it's useless and all my transmutes I did for PvP is now useless.

SodanTok

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

show previous quotes

SodanTok wrote: »

They put protective on par of other traits. Literally it is on par with all other bonuses. Only reason its seen as useless is because of how overperfoming and efficient are many othe resistance granting sets.

I mean fortified brass is like 50% better than it should be. The single piece bonus on chudan helmet is 100% better than it should be and so on... If they finally reduced all of these tank meta would go away (or more probably find other way)

Whether it was overperfrmoning or not, the point is now for me it's useless and all my transmutes I did for PvP is now useless.

Sorry. I thought your post was trying to convey something more than emotional reaction to seeing reasonable nerf.

Jodynn

It's not emotional, it's just a fact, the defense doesn't outweigh the offensive traits now in PvP, so I have no need for it.

xaraan

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

show previous quotes

xaraan wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Anyone trying to argue that the % it lost isn't that much must not have thought it was that strong to begin with. If losing 1 or 3 or whatever % isn't that much, then having it isn't either. That argument goes both ways.

Fact is, if the set isn't worth considering vs. other options, then it's not valued correctly.

well protective is not a "set"in the first place but you are right, i never saw the hoopla about at best, 8.38% more armor, which is, in reality, a lot less damage mitigation then that because of the way the game works.

Pretty sure we all know what I mean when I say set. If anyone is confused, my apologies. Though if that confused anyone, you probably shouldn't be giving feedback.

I agree with you and you say I should not be providing feedback. Cool.

That is not what I said.

I said anyone that doesn't see what I meant. You obviously saw what I meant since you were the one that corrected me.

maxjapank

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

ESO is for the Nords!

Nords have definitely risen in pvp power.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Yeah my grind has officially come to an end if this goes live. Grinding nonstop for transmute stones and they pull some *** like this. Borderlands can’t come soon enough.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Colecovision wrote: »

So many crystals gone. Also, it was barely used in pve at all. Here I am playing this game that supposedly has pvp, but I can't even use it because of the lag, then my pve solo hm build gets crapped on because of pvp.

This is too frustrating.

Exactly. If there is no compensation given for this massive change to a PvP meta that was forced on mag builds due to healing ward nerfs for survivability im done with this game. Lol this has put me over the edge of tolerating the already laggy mess that is ESO PvP.

SkysOutThizeOut

Best thing ever. I’m so glad protective got balanced. Too many crutching on resistances. Claiming to be damage... low key running 3 protective, nord, tank monster set in light or medium.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

show previous quotes

Colecovision wrote: »

So many crystals gone. Also, it was barely used in pve at all. Here I am playing this game that supposedly has pvp, but I can't even use it because of the lag, then my pve solo hm build gets crapped on because of pvp.

This is too frustrating.

Exactly. If there is no compensation given for this massive change to a PvP meta that was forced on mag builds due to healing ward nerfs for survivability im done with this game. Lol this has put me over the edge of tolerating the already laggy mess that is ESO PvP.

Can I have your guys stuff when you leave?

SkysOutThizeOut

Y’all acting like protective was a damn staple in this game. It was released like a year ago.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

SkysOutThizeOut wrote: »

Y’all acting like protective was a damn staple in this game. It was released like a year ago.

For light armor users in pvp it was a staple. 100%. Jewelry crafting wasn’t the only change made in that year.

The_Last_Titan

ouch, all my characters were using light/med armor with protective in pvp.

The_Last_Titan

SkysOutThizeOut wrote: »

Best thing ever. I’m so glad protective got balanced. Too many crutching on resistances. Claiming to be damage... low key running 3 protective, nord, tank monster set in light or medium.

yeah, now we can all use infused... :P

Insco851

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Yeah my grind has officially come to an end if this goes live. Grinding nonstop for transmute stones and they pull some *** like this. Borderlands can’t come soon enough.

This is the thing that absolutely sucks. To even compete rn you are running SOME protective- and it’ll all be nearly useless next patch?