Over Performing List

GeorgeBlack

Let's start with:
Eclipse
Soul Assault
Soul Trap
Turn Evil
Entropy
Onslaught
Corrosive Armor.
DBoS

The same people that are against nerfs are against improving classes other than their own. That's bad...

bardx86

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Let's start with:
Eclipse
Soul Assault
Soul Trap
Turn Evil
Entropy

Vigor!

brandonv516

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Let's start with:
Eclipse
Soul Assault
Soul Trap
Turn Evil
Entropy

I thought Soul Assault got a heavy nerf. Costs more and a longer duration that leaves you more vulnerable with the potential need to cancel early.

Derra

Tbh - a list with entropy on it (which when tested isn´t really op) but missing 2h ult with 16s full penetration screams nonsense to me.

GeorgeBlack

bardx86 wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Let's start with:
Eclipse
Soul Assault
Soul Trap
Turn Evil
Entropy

Vigor!

Didnt magika gain vigor with Resto?
I dont mind reverting both. Do you?

amir412

Derra wrote: »

Tbh - a list with entropy on it (which when tested isn´t really op) but missing 2h ult with 16s full penetration screams nonsense to me.

This.

bardx86

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Let's start with:
Eclipse
Soul Assault
Soul Trap
Turn Evil
Entropy

Vigor!

Didnt magika gain vigor with Resto?
I dont mind reverting both. Do you?

absolutely revert both

Lord_Eomer

amir412 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Tbh - a list with entropy on it (which when tested isn´t really op) but missing 2h ult with 16s full penetration screams nonsense to me.

This.

This^

And to OP kindly post video as proof and more details to justify your list

Emma_Overload

Entropy and Soul Trap are fine.

Soul Assault is even more terrible than ever. NOBODY will use it. It's worse damage than just spamming Crushing Shock + light attacks!

Eclipse and Onslaught do need nerfs, though.

Saril_Durzam

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Let's start with:
Eclipse
Soul Assault
Soul Trap
Turn Evil
Entropy

Vigor!

Didnt magika gain vigor with Resto?
I dont mind reverting both. Do you?

Looks like a pure Stamina player with fear of Magicka can become closer to Stamina.Dont you think?

Compare similar skills. Resto is a healer skill, as you need to slot a healer weapon. Vigor is an all around heal, as it´s not tied to any weapon, hence way superior to Resto, you can slot it while DPSing.

Morgul667

Vigor seems fine to me, the problem of vigor is its stacking which now loses 15% HPS

Nerhesi

amir412 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Tbh - a list with entropy on it (which when tested isn´t really op) but missing 2h ult with 16s full penetration screams nonsense to me.

This.

Yup

Nerhesi

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Entropy and Soul Trap are fine.

Soul Assault is even more terrible than ever. NOBODY will use it. It's worse damage than just spamming Crushing Shock + light attacks!

Eclipse and Onslaught do need nerfs, though.

Correct.

Soul assault is worse now. They're still not factoring in damage properly given you're not weaving/canceling. It needs to account for that (maybe not perfectly, but somewhat)

GeorgeBlack

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Entropy and Soul Trap are fine.

Soul Assault is even more terrible than ever. NOBODY will use it. It's worse damage than just spamming Crushing Shock + light attacks!

Eclipse and Onslaught do need nerfs, though.

Eclipse and Onslaught are not mag sorc material. You are bad...

TheInfernalRage

Lord_Eomer wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Tbh - a list with entropy on it (which when tested isn´t really op) but missing 2h ult with 16s full penetration screams nonsense to me.

This.

This^

And to OP kindly post video as proof and more details to justify your list

Proof is hard to come by when you're just picking what some people are saying as OP without really testing them with good methodology.

Vortigaunt

Entropy does less dps than liquid lightning, gee it’s such an op dot...

Ragnaroek93

I don't think that Entropy is OP considering that Rally/Momentum are really strong sources for Major Brutality - the counterpart of Major Sorcery.

Seraphayel

Resolving Vigor

Any buff to that skill was absolutely unnecessary.

killingspreeb16_ESO

Seraphayel wrote: »

Resolving Vigor

Any buff to that skill was absolutely unnecessary.

But they are necessary?

Rally hot gone.
Vigor stacking gone.
You can't heal other player with the new single target vigor.
You can't proc things like trollking on others player aswell
Dot dmg like entropy got a buff.
Magika got their version of vigor.

I think vigor needed a buff.
If it's to much will be nerfed a bit,but saying it does not need a buff ignoring all the negative of the next patch is stupid.

Saril_Durzam

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Resolving Vigor

Any buff to that skill was absolutely unnecessary.

But they are necessary?

Rally hot gone.
Vigor stacking gone.
You can't heal other player with the new single target vigor.
You can't proc things like trollking on others player aswell
Dot dmg like entropy got a buff.
Magika got their version of vigor.

I think vigor needed a buff.
If it's to much will be nerfed a bit,but saying it does not need a buff ignoring all the negative of the next patch is stupid.

Magicka didn´t get their version of vigor. Healers get a version of vigor. DPS dont slot resto staffs, don´t you remember?

Actually with recent changes of healers, looks like autohealing is the way to go and healers are reduced to vet trials. At least while you play a stamina DPS party. Magicka DPSers will have a bad time for selfheal.

Czekoludek

TBH every post that shows how soul trap is OP do the entire build for this one dot. If you slot 7 set pieces just to buff one dot (oblivion foe, vma daggers) then it should hit hard.

DucLIX

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Let's start with:
Eclipse
Soul Assault
Soul Trap
Turn Evil
Entropy
Onslaught

No explanations, no examples, no tooltips, no alternatives, nothing, just complaining.

SodanTok

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Resolving Vigor

Any buff to that skill was absolutely unnecessary.

But they are necessary?

Rally hot gone.
Vigor stacking gone.
You can't heal other player with the new single target vigor.
You can't proc things like trollking on others player aswell
Dot dmg like entropy got a buff.
Magika got their version of vigor.

I think vigor needed a buff.
If it's to much will be nerfed a bit,but saying it does not need a buff ignoring all the negative of the next patch is stupid.

Magicka didn´t get their version of vigor. Healers get a version of vigor. DPS dont slot resto staffs, don´t you remember?

Actually with recent changes of healers, looks like autohealing is the way to go and healers are reduced to vet trials. At least while you play a stamina DPS party. Magicka DPSers will have a bad time for selfheal.

Literally every magicka class has strong self heal (but nightblade) and access to shield.

killingspreeb16_ESO

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Resolving Vigor

Any buff to that skill was absolutely unnecessary.

But they are necessary?

Rally hot gone.
Vigor stacking gone.
You can't heal other player with the new single target vigor.
You can't proc things like trollking on others player aswell
Dot dmg like entropy got a buff.
Magika got their version of vigor.

I think vigor needed a buff.
If it's to much will be nerfed a bit,but saying it does not need a buff ignoring all the negative of the next patch is stupid.

Magicka didn´t get their version of vigor. Healers get a version of vigor. DPS dont slot resto staffs, don´t you remember?

Actually with recent changes of healers, looks like autohealing is the way to go and healers are reduced to vet trials. At least while you play a stamina DPS party. Magicka DPSers will have a bad time for selfheal.

The game is not only about pve.
My magsorc/magnecro and mageblade slot a resto staff in pvp.

OnThaLoose

Entropy isnt OP, and i dont think Soul trap is either, considering NO ONE is going to wear a full set that only buffs one skill, not to mention the worthless 2pc on it, AND vma daggers just to buff one skill on live. And if they do? yea, one dot will hit hard, but all 9 of their other skills will hit like a peashooter.

Some of the people on this forum are truly ridiculous.

Ashanne

magicka gets its own vigor when its not tied to a weapon line.
also vigor (the single target morph) is guaranteed on the caster 100%, RR can go to the next idiot and i spent 2.5k mag on him.

....or even better put vigor on s&b skill line with a high chance on going to the zergling next to u instead of u...lets see then how you like ur vigor

Iskiab

Please add ritual of retribution.

Vortigaunt

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Resolving Vigor

Any buff to that skill was absolutely unnecessary.

But they are necessary?

Rally hot gone.
Vigor stacking gone.
You can't heal other player with the new single target vigor.
You can't proc things like trollking on others player aswell
Dot dmg like entropy got a buff.
Magika got their version of vigor.

I think vigor needed a buff.
If it's to much will be nerfed a bit,but saying it does not need a buff ignoring all the negative of the next patch is stupid.

1. Vigor stacking isn’t gone
2. No you can’t, that’s why you change morphs if you want to heal “other player”
3. See statement above
4. Still weaker than literally every single class specific dot
5. Mag version of vigor is more expensive and heals for much less

Yuke

Not sure about Vigor. Rally Hot is gone and very high weapon power stacking is gone due to nerfs to heavy armor sets (which was the main reason for 4-5k vigor ticks in PVP).

Maybe tune it down by a few percent but gutting it would be really bad idea.

Vapirko

What’s this now? A list of I pulled what I think is OP out of my ass? Pardon my rudeness but at least produce some sort of evidence and don’t you dare link some cheesed tooltip. Come on people. I know at least some of you have been around here for a long time. Get on PTS and test it for yourself or at least show us some evidence of it being OP. I’m not saying none of those thing aren’t OP but simple making threads like this one just start nerf band wagons for no good reason.

Minno

*complains about tank meta but makes list of abilities that deal DMG/allow you to reduce some defense for nerfing*

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