[PTS 5.1.0] 42k Bleed Build (DW+2h) - up to 72k buffed

validifyedneb18_ESO

Obviously things are unlikely to remain the same after week 1 but thought id share this here as the build is pretty interesting / off meta yet easily viable in end game content.

The Build:


I am supremely lazy so my backbar is sorted by duration, and I cast from 1 to 4 in order, and ult between 2 and 3 if its up.


ST Unbuffed Parse:


Able to hit up to 72k on the iron atro, although between the targeting bug when attacking large enemies from a slight distance, and the current rotation/timing changes on the PTS, It would be more accurate to say I sit at around 65-68k with a pretty janky rotation.

Im also using lavafoot in this image to compensate for lack of a orbs from a healer.

Few notes:
1. Yes the rings are infused, I like it more that way even if it means less optimal in execute phases
2. Stamina management was pretty tight, stamina drain on backbar with the new 2h stampede and 1 ring with reduced feat cost makes a huge difference (reduced feat because -320~ cost on abilities ranging from 1.6-2.5 cost is insane)
3. Unsure about the 2h axe, the heavy wep uptime is very low, but you dont spend much time on the backbar and for what its worth it is SOME time with the Dro'zakar 200 damage
4. I expect Dro'zak to be nerfed because of PVP, but maybe im just a pessimist
5. I would love for a good stamblade player to try using this setup and see what they can do, im fairly convinced a stamblade (played well) will hit higher DPS

Seraphayel

I like how this looks. No more 15-20% damage from three or four super strong skills, it looks more balanced and varied now which is good imho.

Thanks for sharing!

Have you tried using Soul Trap in your build?

validifyedneb18_ESO

Seraphayel wrote: »

I like how this looks. No more 15-20% damage from three or four super strong skills, it looks more balanced and varied now which is good imho.

Thanks for sharing!

Have you tried using Soul Trap in your build?

no, I didnt even realise that was a thing if Im going to be completely honest... not sure what id replace, assuming you just cast it as a spammable when you have the mana? would definitely help with stamina sustain, its pretty brutal on this build if you clip your DOTS too much

Seraphayel

Well it’s just another DoT for your build, quite a strong one on top of that. And due to the Magicka cost it might easily fit into your build and help sustain a bit. I don’t know what to replace as I don’t know your loadout, but you should try and see!

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I like how this looks. No more 15-20% damage from three or four super strong skills, it looks more balanced and varied now which is good imho.

Thanks for sharing!

Have you tried using Soul Trap in your build?

no, I didnt even realise that was a thing if Im going to be completely honest... not sure what id replace, assuming you just cast it as a spammable when you have the mana? would definitely help with stamina sustain, its pretty brutal on this build if you clip your DOTS too much

not a spammable, a single target dot, what does your back bar look like? also, your crit seems really low to be using the shadow as a mundus, try thief?

validifyedneb18_ESO

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I like how this looks. No more 15-20% damage from three or four super strong skills, it looks more balanced and varied now which is good imho.

Thanks for sharing!

Have you tried using Soul Trap in your build?

no, I didnt even realise that was a thing if Im going to be completely honest... not sure what id replace, assuming you just cast it as a spammable when you have the mana? would definitely help with stamina sustain, its pretty brutal on this build if you clip your DOTS too much

not a spammable, a single target dot, what does your back bar look like?

Just realized lol, could replace deadly cloak but it would come at the cost of front procs while on offbar. +800 dps base and slightly easier rotation and sustain, so may be worth.

Updated main post with backbar

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I like how this looks. No more 15-20% damage from three or four super strong skills, it looks more balanced and varied now which is good imho.

Thanks for sharing!

Have you tried using Soul Trap in your build?

no, I didnt even realise that was a thing if Im going to be completely honest... not sure what id replace, assuming you just cast it as a spammable when you have the mana? would definitely help with stamina sustain, its pretty brutal on this build if you clip your DOTS too much

not a spammable, a single target dot, what does your back bar look like?

Just realized lol, could replace deadly cloak but it would come at the cost of front procs while on offbar. +800 dps base and slightly easier rotation and sustain, so may be worth.

Updated main post with backbar

replace clatrops with soul trap. caltrops is hot garbage now. even on my stam sorc, caltrops does 935 per tick, soul trap does 2.5k per tick, tool tips.

validifyedneb18_ESO

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I like how this looks. No more 15-20% damage from three or four super strong skills, it looks more balanced and varied now which is good imho.

Thanks for sharing!

Have you tried using Soul Trap in your build?

no, I didnt even realise that was a thing if Im going to be completely honest... not sure what id replace, assuming you just cast it as a spammable when you have the mana? would definitely help with stamina sustain, its pretty brutal on this build if you clip your DOTS too much

not a spammable, a single target dot, what does your back bar look like?

Just realized lol, could replace deadly cloak but it would come at the cost of front procs while on offbar. +800 dps base and slightly easier rotation and sustain, so may be worth.

Updated main post with backbar

replace clatrops with soul trap. caltrops is hot garbage now.

that does remove my major fracture, rather annoyingly, but yeah good idea, testing out as a replacement for deadly cloak rn, seems like a damn strong increase to dps and so good for sustain I could maybe switch some sustain back to damage. First parse my offhand ran out of charge right at the start though so nothing solid yet

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I like how this looks. No more 15-20% damage from three or four super strong skills, it looks more balanced and varied now which is good imho.

Thanks for sharing!

Have you tried using Soul Trap in your build?

no, I didnt even realise that was a thing if Im going to be completely honest... not sure what id replace, assuming you just cast it as a spammable when you have the mana? would definitely help with stamina sustain, its pretty brutal on this build if you clip your DOTS too much

not a spammable, a single target dot, what does your back bar look like?

Just realized lol, could replace deadly cloak but it would come at the cost of front procs while on offbar. +800 dps base and slightly easier rotation and sustain, so may be worth.

Updated main post with backbar

replace clatrops with soul trap. caltrops is hot garbage now.

that does remove my major fracture, rather annoyingly, but yeah good idea, testing out as a replacement for deadly cloak rn, seems like a damn strong increase to dps and so good for sustain I could maybe switch some sustain back to damage. First parse my offhand ran out of charge right at the start though so nothing solid yet

unless you need it for vMA or something, major fracture will be taken care of by a tank. on my stam sorc, caltrops does 935 per tick, soul trap does 2.5k per tick, tool tips.

validifyedneb18_ESO

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I like how this looks. No more 15-20% damage from three or four super strong skills, it looks more balanced and varied now which is good imho.

Thanks for sharing!

Have you tried using Soul Trap in your build?

no, I didnt even realise that was a thing if Im going to be completely honest... not sure what id replace, assuming you just cast it as a spammable when you have the mana? would definitely help with stamina sustain, its pretty brutal on this build if you clip your DOTS too much

not a spammable, a single target dot, what does your back bar look like?

Just realized lol, could replace deadly cloak but it would come at the cost of front procs while on offbar. +800 dps base and slightly easier rotation and sustain, so may be worth.

Updated main post with backbar

replace clatrops with soul trap. caltrops is hot garbage now.

that does remove my major fracture, rather annoyingly, but yeah good idea, testing out as a replacement for deadly cloak rn, seems like a damn strong increase to dps and so good for sustain I could maybe switch some sustain back to damage. First parse my offhand ran out of charge right at the start though so nothing solid yet

unless you need it for vMA or something, major fracture will be taken care of be a tank.

yeah just hard to compare the 2, suffice to say it will be a dps increase though, shame we dont have armorless or perma fractured dummies for this ***

John_Falstaff

Mind, if you're comparing trial dummy parses, then you won't notice the missing Fracture from caltrops, it already has Minor and Major fracture, infused and Torug's-buffed Crusher and Alkosh on it. So definitely will try replacing it.

As an aside, I think they purposefully want to make Caltrops a support skill, I probably will be running it as a tank whenever I need AoE fracture.

DocFrost72

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I like how this looks. No more 15-20% damage from three or four super strong skills, it looks more balanced and varied now which is good imho.

Thanks for sharing!

Have you tried using Soul Trap in your build?

no, I didnt even realise that was a thing if Im going to be completely honest... not sure what id replace, assuming you just cast it as a spammable when you have the mana? would definitely help with stamina sustain, its pretty brutal on this build if you clip your DOTS too much

not a spammable, a single target dot, what does your back bar look like?

Just realized lol, could replace deadly cloak but it would come at the cost of front procs while on offbar. +800 dps base and slightly easier rotation and sustain, so may be worth.

Updated main post with backbar

replace clatrops with soul trap. caltrops is hot garbage now.

that does remove my major fracture, rather annoyingly, but yeah good idea, testing out as a replacement for deadly cloak rn, seems like a damn strong increase to dps and so good for sustain I could maybe switch some sustain back to damage. First parse my offhand ran out of charge right at the start though so nothing solid yet

unless you need it for vMA or something, major fracture will be taken care of be a tank.

yeah just hard to compare the 2, suffice to say it will be a dps increase though, shame we dont have armorless or perma fractured dummies for this ***

I was under the impression the iron atro counted as having fracture inherently applied to it?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I like how this looks. No more 15-20% damage from three or four super strong skills, it looks more balanced and varied now which is good imho.

Thanks for sharing!

Have you tried using Soul Trap in your build?

no, I didnt even realise that was a thing if Im going to be completely honest... not sure what id replace, assuming you just cast it as a spammable when you have the mana? would definitely help with stamina sustain, its pretty brutal on this build if you clip your DOTS too much

not a spammable, a single target dot, what does your back bar look like?

Just realized lol, could replace deadly cloak but it would come at the cost of front procs while on offbar. +800 dps base and slightly easier rotation and sustain, so may be worth.

Updated main post with backbar

replace clatrops with soul trap. caltrops is hot garbage now.

that does remove my major fracture, rather annoyingly, but yeah good idea, testing out as a replacement for deadly cloak rn, seems like a damn strong increase to dps and so good for sustain I could maybe switch some sustain back to damage. First parse my offhand ran out of charge right at the start though so nothing solid yet

unless you need it for vMA or something, major fracture will be taken care of be a tank.

yeah just hard to compare the 2, suffice to say it will be a dps increase though, shame we dont have armorless or perma fractured dummies for this ***

the iron atro there has infused crusher, alkosh, major and minor fracture on it. so that is 11717 armor debuffed on it, leaving 6483 armor on it.

Infused Crusher- 2107

Roar of Alkosh- 3010

Major fracture - 5280

Minor fracture - 1320

John_Falstaff

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO , even less, I measured (with 2H ultimate) and it has Torug's-enhanced Crusher.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO , even less, I measured (with 2H ultimate) and it has Torug's-enhanced Crusher.

so is it just the TP infused crusher on it or is there some armor debuff on that i dont have there? so with that it is 5850 armor left on it.

Infused Crusher with Torug- 2740

validifyedneb18_ESO

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validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I like how this looks. No more 15-20% damage from three or four super strong skills, it looks more balanced and varied now which is good imho.

Thanks for sharing!

Have you tried using Soul Trap in your build?

no, I didnt even realise that was a thing if Im going to be completely honest... not sure what id replace, assuming you just cast it as a spammable when you have the mana? would definitely help with stamina sustain, its pretty brutal on this build if you clip your DOTS too much

not a spammable, a single target dot, what does your back bar look like?

Just realized lol, could replace deadly cloak but it would come at the cost of front procs while on offbar. +800 dps base and slightly easier rotation and sustain, so may be worth.

Updated main post with backbar

replace clatrops with soul trap. caltrops is hot garbage now.

that does remove my major fracture, rather annoyingly, but yeah good idea, testing out as a replacement for deadly cloak rn, seems like a damn strong increase to dps and so good for sustain I could maybe switch some sustain back to damage. First parse my offhand ran out of charge right at the start though so nothing solid yet

unless you need it for vMA or something, major fracture will be taken care of be a tank.

yeah just hard to compare the 2, suffice to say it will be a dps increase though, shame we dont have armorless or perma fractured dummies for this ***

the iron atro there has infused crusher, alkosh, major and minor fracture on it. so that is 11717 armor debuffed on it, leaving 6483 armor on it.

Infused Crusher- 2107

Roar of Alkosh- 3010

Major fracture - 5280

Minor fracture - 1320

I dont know what the "done thing" is these days, but I still use the normal 6ks for propper testing, the iron atro is nice to see the optimal group DPS but I dont think its as reliable for testing small tweaks etc?
Maybe just me

John_Falstaff

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO , even less, I measured (with 2H ultimate) and it has Torug's-enhanced Crusher.

so is it just the TP infused crusher on it or is there some armor debuff on that i dont have there? so with that it is 5850 armor left on it.

Infused Crusher with Torug- 2740

No, everything else you've listed, I think - only Torug's buff was missing on the crusher. So if I remember right from what I saw back when I tested, 5.85k remaining resistance sounds like what I was getting too.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I like how this looks. No more 15-20% damage from three or four super strong skills, it looks more balanced and varied now which is good imho.

Thanks for sharing!

Have you tried using Soul Trap in your build?

no, I didnt even realise that was a thing if Im going to be completely honest... not sure what id replace, assuming you just cast it as a spammable when you have the mana? would definitely help with stamina sustain, its pretty brutal on this build if you clip your DOTS too much

not a spammable, a single target dot, what does your back bar look like?

Just realized lol, could replace deadly cloak but it would come at the cost of front procs while on offbar. +800 dps base and slightly easier rotation and sustain, so may be worth.

Updated main post with backbar

replace clatrops with soul trap. caltrops is hot garbage now.

that does remove my major fracture, rather annoyingly, but yeah good idea, testing out as a replacement for deadly cloak rn, seems like a damn strong increase to dps and so good for sustain I could maybe switch some sustain back to damage. First parse my offhand ran out of charge right at the start though so nothing solid yet

unless you need it for vMA or something, major fracture will be taken care of be a tank.

yeah just hard to compare the 2, suffice to say it will be a dps increase though, shame we dont have armorless or perma fractured dummies for this ***

the iron atro there has infused crusher, alkosh, major and minor fracture on it. so that is 11717 armor debuffed on it, leaving 6483 armor on it.

Infused Crusher- 2107

Roar of Alkosh- 3010

Major fracture - 5280

Minor fracture - 1320

I dont know what the "done thing" is these days, but I still use the normal 6ks for propper testing, the iron atro is nice to see the optimal group DPS but I dont think its as reliable for testing small tweaks etc?
Maybe just me

the iron atro is the ultimate normalizer. if you have access to it, there is no better way to see if your build is good or not.

validifyedneb18_ESO

Sustained 71k parse for 13 mill damage, using the new soul trap rather than caltrops, and switching backbar enchant back to damage rather than stamina drain.

Waffennacht

I'm not really in touch with dps parses, is this OP? Is this standard? Is it just a cool build?

To me the dps is mad high, but I also read 90k parses. I just dunno.

A good build or more than that?

validifyedneb18_ESO

Waffennacht wrote: »

I'm not really in touch with dps parses, is this OP? Is this standard? Is it just a cool build?

To me the dps is mad high, but I also read 90k parses. I just dunno.

A good build or more than that?

Its close enough to say its as good as the top meta in the game right now (although I dont know compared to the meta after this PTS, which seems to have nerfed almost the entire meta quite considerably)

This set also avoids using 1. Relequens, and 2. Lokestiiz and 3. Bow/vMA bow backbar which underpins every single meta stamina DD build right now.

Toc de Malsvi

Use Relequin:

Toc de Malsvi

I didn't spend a whole bunch of time testing this, I just dropped Pillar for Relequin. I imagine more could be done, but I did one run with Executioner and one with WreckingBlow.

MellowMagic

Tested out the azureblight set with deadly strikes & veli
still using vma bow

42k unbuffed 6m target no fracture



76.5k trial dummy, i parsed 77-78k a few times but i didnt grab a screen cap


Pretty decent for no trial gear, (plus fits the necro atheistic)

huschdeguddzje

Gotta say this patch looks promising for stam dps, after all. Finally no longer forced to run a bow on the back bar.

Bandugar

You can backbar two-handed and wear Maelstrom one. And use Stampede to sure two hand weapon enchant will proc all time.

Wuuffyy

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

Gotta say this patch looks promising for stam dps, after all. Finally no longer forced to run a bow on the back bar.

For real? That sounds awesome!

ecru

i'd assume deadly strike is better than pillar of nirn, it should buff just about everything including rapid strikes.

Xogath

Had to log in at work to comment on this.

Not gonna lie, it would be pretty great to not be cornholed in to */Bow constantly.. and have never really given much thought to using something other than Bow on the back bar.

These 70k+ parses are better than what I've been able to achieve on live with my Stamina Necro using Velidreth/Relequen*/Deadly Strikes. (*Non-perfect Relequen; 70.6k best parse thus far)

I would love to run a 2H/DW build on my Stamina Necro, and now that I think about it, the abilities to do so actually make it sound pretty interesting.

So, this is an awesone find! Hopefully it isn't nerfed in to the dirt like I fear it will be. Hopefully not, though, as this is a great step in the whole "build diversity" direction that this game direly needs.

Speaking of sets and parses, have you tried giving Deadly Strikes a go? It's a straight 14% increase to Bleeds. You could use it as your accessory set, and use the 2H and DW weapons to maintain it 100%, along with whatever body and monster sets may work well with it.

Personally, I'd try both Hunding's and Relequen as body sets to see how they pair up. If the new Monster set is also a DoT (I forget), Deadly Strikes may buff it also.

Then again, the 14% it offers may pale in comparison to something else.

I'm thinking something along the lines of:

2H: Blastbones / Venom Skull / Carve / Executioner / Detonating Siphon / U: Pestilent Colossus
DW: Trap or Psijic-equal skill / Rending Slashes / Soul Trap? / ??? / Skeletal Archer / U: Rend (would be buffed by Deadly, but Colossus is probably a better choice to use for the debuff)

Execute phase.. since we're not prioritizing Poison Injection and Endless Hail any longer.. maybe instead prioritize the DW DoTs while spamming Executioner.

Anyways, regardless, this is a great and neat find!

Bandugar

But if you dont use Pillars you loose one bleed. And all this thread about bleed build Basically Pillars give you nice aoe bleed and 200 wpd agains all it hits. So in real situations aka 4 man - I believe it will be great. Because releq in 4 man is *** honestly, especially if you run 3 dds. All dies too fast, or you meet mechanics where you cant attack to keep releq stacks.

Chrlynsch

Just use werewolf, only one bar to worry about