Vma bow

Colecovision

Zacuel wrote: »

Are vma bows still going to be meta?

I'm sure some would like the Nerf.

But I assume they've never completed vma.

I've been wanting away from endless hail forever. I have a vma bow. Bar swapping to a bow while standing on a boss has always felt stupid. Hopefully I have a choice to do away that now. I'm trying the new bleeds set, but it's really hard to tell if it's procing.

Toc de Malsvi

Lord_Eomer wrote: »

SaucyMcSauceface wrote: »

Just tested it, same setup as live, hail has lost roughly 3k dps with a VMA bow

3k dps losing from Hails is a lot

I lost more than that...

Also every test I have run has Hail at 10 seconds not 12. Tooltip is 12 but actually uptime is 10s.

Toc de Malsvi

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

The Vma bow buff seems like it might be slightly higher than master bow with single target DPS when there are full stacks of hawk eye and some distance between you and the target, like you would have with a Bow/Bow build.

Otherwise I like the master bow since I don't have to wait for the endless hail to land. I can rearrange things onto the front bar and have higher uptime with the precise trait. The rearranged build deals almost the same DPS as live with all the trials survival kit In place.

Every test I have done has Master Bow solidly ahead of VMA bow. By at least 1k.

akray21

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

The Vma bow buff seems like it might be slightly higher than master bow with single target DPS when there are full stacks of hawk eye and some distance between you and the target, like you would have with a Bow/Bow build.

Otherwise I like the master bow since I don't have to wait for the endless hail to land. I can rearrange things onto the front bar and have higher uptime with the precise trait. The rearranged build deals almost the same DPS as live with all the trials survival kit In place.

Every test I have done has Master Bow solidly ahead of VMA bow. By at least 1k.

Would be nice if they could make it dead even so people can choose.

LiquidPony

Kolzki wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Zacuel wrote: »

Are vma bows still going to be meta?

I'm sure some would like the Nerf.

But I assume they've never completed vma.

yes and no, in AOE fights and bossfights with adds or minibosses there vMA will shine in overall DPS

if you only focus on a Single Target like the Serpent Endboss in vSO, there Mastersbow might be stronger.

You’ll still want to use hail to proc your enchants on cool down.

Nah just use 2H backbar with Stampede to proc your Berserker enchant.

... am I joking or do we have meme-worthy Stam builds now?

(I'm not joking)

SaintSubwayy

Kolzki wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Zacuel wrote: »

Are vma bows still going to be meta?

I'm sure some would like the Nerf.

But I assume they've never completed vma.

yes and no, in AOE fights and bossfights with adds or minibosses there vMA will shine in overall DPS

if you only focus on a Single Target like the Serpent Endboss in vSO, there Mastersbow might be stronger.

You’ll still want to use hail to proc your enchants on cool down.

ofc but you prob will slot barrage since it has more dmg potential than hail, and bigger area, which is also nice in combo with vMA bow for adds and trash

Colecovision wrote: »

Zacuel wrote: »

Are vma bows still going to be meta?

I'm sure some would like the Nerf.

But I assume they've never completed vma.

I've been wanting away from endless hail forever. I have a vma bow. Bar swapping to a bow while standing on a boss has always felt stupid. Hopefully I have a choice to do away that now. I'm trying the new bleeds set, but it's really hard to tell if it's procing.

you wont get away from bow on backbar unless you want to loose alot of DMG by dropping Poisoninjection and hail
even with the new sets, you wont get close to a DW / bow or 2h / bow build in PVE...those skills are too strong to let them got, even after the nerfs (whih are so small)

sbr32

Destruent wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

So like. Can we all agree... this is a good thing.

vMA bow in all its tyranny - and bows in general - are or where a required pick for backbar stamina DPS, regardless of class.

this plus poison injection nerf that nobody talks about, yeah, seems like bow tyranny will end. or youll be expected to have vma bow in every pve content.

on Live:
+260% In execute: 1 damage increases to up to 3,6 damage

On PTS: + 78% on all dot ticks, +100% in execute
1,78 damage increases to up to 3,58 damage

You barely lost anything in execute while gaining a lot above exeute threshhold....
What nerf are you talking about?

Yep. Poison injection does noticeably more damage now on PTS.

LiquidPony

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Kolzki wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Zacuel wrote: »

Are vma bows still going to be meta?

I'm sure some would like the Nerf.

But I assume they've never completed vma.

yes and no, in AOE fights and bossfights with adds or minibosses there vMA will shine in overall DPS

if you only focus on a Single Target like the Serpent Endboss in vSO, there Mastersbow might be stronger.

You’ll still want to use hail to proc your enchants on cool down.

ofc but you prob will slot barrage since it has more dmg potential than hail, and bigger area, which is also nice in combo with vMA bow for adds and trash

Colecovision wrote: »

Zacuel wrote: »

Are vma bows still going to be meta?

I'm sure some would like the Nerf.

But I assume they've never completed vma.

I've been wanting away from endless hail forever. I have a vma bow. Bar swapping to a bow while standing on a boss has always felt stupid. Hopefully I have a choice to do away that now. I'm trying the new bleeds set, but it's really hard to tell if it's procing.

you wont get away from bow on backbar unless you want to loose alot of DMG by dropping Poisoninjection and hail
even with the new sets, you wont get close to a DW / bow or 2h / bow build in PVE...those skills are too strong to let them got, even after the nerfs (whih are so small)

Bow may still be meta but you can absolutely drop the bow if you want in the current state of PTS.

On a stamsorc with 5 x Rele, 5 x Lokke (jewels + 2H axe backbar), vMA DW, 2 x Monster set ... I see Stampede doing 4-5k DPS, Carve doing 5k+ DPS, and Heavy Weapons Bleed doing 2-3k DPS. Compare that to the DPS you get out of Hail/Barrage + Poison Inject.

The advantage over the vMA bow setup is that you can keep the vMA DW (which is really strong with the buffed Rending Slashes and Soul Trap) *and* use a Monster set.

If you're not into the Marselok bash cancels you can also run vMA 2H backbar, which adds 1.5-2k DPS to Stampede, or stick with the Lokke backbar and do Veli/Kra'gh/Selene/Stormfist.

Again, probably not meta but 100% viable for all PvE content. Easily hitting well over 90k DPS with these setups and I haven't spent any time optimizing.

Here it is with Kra'gh as the monster set and Nirn/Precise DW:

SaucyMcSauceface

It is bugged on PTS. Rather than ticking 13 times like it should at rank 4, it is only ticking 10 times. It looks like it is keeping the rank one duration rather than ranking up, despite the tooltip adjusting.

Until they fix that, it will be hard to tell whether it has actually been nerfed.

Xogath

akray21 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

The Vma bow buff seems like it might be slightly higher than master bow with single target DPS when there are full stacks of hawk eye and some distance between you and the target, like you would have with a Bow/Bow build.

Otherwise I like the master bow since I don't have to wait for the endless hail to land. I can rearrange things onto the front bar and have higher uptime with the precise trait. The rearranged build deals almost the same DPS as live with all the trials survival kit In place.

Every test I have done has Master Bow solidly ahead of VMA bow. By at least 1k.

Would be nice if they could make it dead even so people can choose.

How about we don't call for homogenization in a game where homogenization will literally kill the game?

If you need to see exactly what I'm talking about, look at WoW.

akray21

Xogath wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

The Vma bow buff seems like it might be slightly higher than master bow with single target DPS when there are full stacks of hawk eye and some distance between you and the target, like you would have with a Bow/Bow build.

Otherwise I like the master bow since I don't have to wait for the endless hail to land. I can rearrange things onto the front bar and have higher uptime with the precise trait. The rearranged build deals almost the same DPS as live with all the trials survival kit In place.

Every test I have done has Master Bow solidly ahead of VMA bow. By at least 1k.

Would be nice if they could make it dead even so people can choose.

How about we don't call for homogenization in a game where homogenization will literally kill the game?

If you need to see exactly what I'm talking about, look at WoW.

I'm calling for it in this very specific case, yes. I am however against class homogenization like is being presented this pts cycle.

hakan

Destruent wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

So like. Can we all agree... this is a good thing.

vMA bow in all its tyranny - and bows in general - are or where a required pick for backbar stamina DPS, regardless of class.

this plus poison injection nerf that nobody talks about, yeah, seems like bow tyranny will end. or youll be expected to have vma bow in every pve content.

on Live:
+260% In execute: 1 damage increases to up to 3,6 damage

On PTS: + 78% on all dot ticks, +100% in execute
1,78 damage increases to up to 3,58 damage

You barely lost anything in execute while gaining a lot above exeute threshhold....
What nerf are you talking about?

oh damn. i forgot the 78buff. nevermind then.