Vma bow

WickidMexican

Can anyone post an image of the new vma bow? Now that endless hail is 1sec instead of .5 i was wondering how the set bonus changed.

LeHarrt91

The Thunderous Volley bonus was doubled. if you go to notes and Ctrl F thunderous youll find it.

WickidMexican

Im on console, but ill take your word for it.

MashmalloMan

If you scrolled down in the pts notes, they stated they doubled the damage and rounded the numbers slightly so it has the same damage multiplier as before, but Endless Hail duration was increased by +2s, so you get 2 extra ticks vs live for the set bonus, kinda offsets some of the dps loss.

Messes with stam rotations, instead of 12s, it's really 14s (due to Volley delay), trap is 18s, Razor Caltrops 10s or Anti Calvary Caltrops 15s.

LeHarrt91

From the notes:

Thunderous Volley: Increased the damage bonus of this set to be nearly double the original value, since Volley and its morphs only tick once every 1 second, instead of every half second. The values are slightly less than double, since they are now on prettier numbers.

Muzzick

Haven't done the math but it seems to be not worth slotting for anyone without the bow but still viable with vma bow

akray21

Should do roughly the same damage as live.

WickidMexican

What about arrow barrage? Is it not worth it even though it seems like it got a 20% buff? Or is it too much to sustain? I know testing just started so just trying to see what some people have been testing so far.

LiquidPony

akray21 wrote: »

Should do roughly the same damage as live.

It's significantly less. Still a good skill/set but it's a noticeable nerf.

colossalvoids

Prepare for it to be like 6th on cmx instead of first the most damaging one.

SaucyMcSauceface

Just tested it, same setup as live, hail has lost roughly 3k dps with a VMA bow

SaintSubwayy

Have done the math...the bow alone took a 14% nerf.

For ST Fights and parses Masterbow oout dpses the vMA bow by about 2k DPS.

For AOE vMA Bow + Barrage is the highest DPS option, however when struggling with sustain you can swap to Hail instead of barrage, and loose bout 5k DMG over a 24sec Period (about 220 DPS) (3x Barrage vs. 2x Hail)

ccfeeling

Huge nerf ...

SaucyMcSauceface

I think that the PTS is cutting hail off 2 seconds early. The tool tip shows 12 seconds but the skill itself only seems to be going for just over 10

John_Falstaff

Yup, have to wait for the fix. I think that, while hail itself is nerfed, the vMA bow is actually buffed compared to live. And since it's a flat bonus on top of Hail, I think that Master bow shouldn't suddenly start outperforming it.

SaintSubwayy

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Yup, have to wait for the fix. I think that, while hail itself is nerfed, the vMA bow is actually buffed compared to live. And since it's a flat bonus on top of Hail, I think that Master bow shouldn't suddenly start outperforming it.

overall the vMA bow lost about 14% dmg compared to live, when using Hail as skill (not including the skills dmg,)

validifyedneb18_ESO

So like. Can we all agree... this is a good thing.

vMA bow in all its tyranny - and bows in general - are or where a required pick for backbar stamina DPS, regardless of class.

John_Falstaff

@SaintSubwayy , that's from testing or theory?

Just as a follow-up, provided that Hail is fixed:

Live: 161 + (56 × 21 ticks) / 2 = 749 average flat bonus.

After the patch: 320 + (110 × 13 ticks) / 2 = 1035 average flat bonus.

Looks like 38% buff to vMA bow, though of course it won't fully offset the nerf to the skill itself.

Vortigaunt

WickidMexican wrote: »

Im on console, but ill take your word for it.

You... browse the forums on a console?

hakan

nvm.

ALeoCat_ESO

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@SaintSubwayy , that's from testing or theory?

Just as a follow-up, provided that Hail is fixed:

Live: 161 + (56 × 21 ticks) / 2 = 749 average flat bonus.

After the patch: 320 + (110 × 13 ticks) / 2 = 1035 average flat bonus.

Looks like 38% buff to vMA bow, though of course it won't fully offset the nerf to the skill itself.

It looks like you're just calculating the damage added per tick. Old volley ticked twice as often so you would need to double its tick to find how they compare in average damage added per second.

John_Falstaff

ALeoCat_ESO wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@SaintSubwayy , that's from testing or theory?

Just as a follow-up, provided that Hail is fixed:

Live: 161 + (56 × 21 ticks) / 2 = 749 average flat bonus.

After the patch: 320 + (110 × 13 ticks) / 2 = 1035 average flat bonus.

Looks like 38% buff to vMA bow, though of course it won't fully offset the nerf to the skill itself.

It looks like you're just calculating the damage added per tick. Old volley ticked twice as often so you would need to double its tick to find how they compare in average damage added per second.

That's why I'm multiplying by 21 tick for live, right?

SaintSubwayy

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@SaintSubwayy , that's from testing or theory?

Just as a follow-up, provided that Hail is fixed:

Live: 161 + (56 × 21 ticks) / 2 = 749 average flat bonus.

After the patch: 320 + (110 × 13 ticks) / 2 = 1035 average flat bonus.

Looks like 38% buff to vMA bow, though of course it won't fully offset the nerf to the skill itself.

you made the mistake to not take the ammounts of hits per second into account.

while the new hail hits once per second, the old one hits twice:
heres a picture from the excelsheet I've made for the math.

The Difference / cast, only for the vMA bow, not including the skill is 16317 on old vs 14170 on the new bow, both over the duration of endlesshail respective to their patches

John_Falstaff

@SaintSubwayy , @ALeoCat_ESO , you're right; my bad, it jumped out of my head that base bonus also will get multiplied by fewer ticks. Brain went wrong way.

SaintSubwayy

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@SaintSubwayy , @ALeoCat_ESO , you're right; my bad, it jumped out of my head that base bonus also will get multiplied by fewer ticks. Brain went wrong way.

No problem, did this excel sheet like 5times till it was to this stage.

the douuble tick / second makes the difference here in favour of the old vMA bow (skill realated ofc)

Zacuel

Are vma bows still going to be meta?

I'm sure some would like the Nerf.

But I assume they've never completed vma.

SaintSubwayy

Zacuel wrote: »

Are vma bows still going to be meta?

I'm sure some would like the Nerf.

But I assume they've never completed vma.

yes and no, in AOE fights and bossfights with adds or minibosses there vMA will shine in overall DPS

if you only focus on a Single Target like the Serpent Endboss in vSO, there Mastersbow might be stronger.

Kolzki

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Zacuel wrote: »

Are vma bows still going to be meta?

I'm sure some would like the Nerf.

But I assume they've never completed vma.

yes and no, in AOE fights and bossfights with adds or minibosses there vMA will shine in overall DPS

if you only focus on a Single Target like the Serpent Endboss in vSO, there Mastersbow might be stronger.

You’ll still want to use hail to proc your enchants on cool down.

Bladerunner1

The Vma bow buff seems like it might be slightly higher than master bow with single target DPS when there are full stacks of hawk eye and some distance between you and the target, like you would have with a Bow/Bow build.

Otherwise I like the master bow since I don't have to wait for the endless hail to land. I can rearrange things onto the front bar and have higher uptime with the precise trait. The rearranged build deals almost the same DPS as live with all the trials survival kit In place.

Lord_Eomer

SaucyMcSauceface wrote: »

Just tested it, same setup as live, hail has lost roughly 3k dps with a VMA bow

3k dps losing from Hails is a lot

Destruent

hakan wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

So like. Can we all agree... this is a good thing.

vMA bow in all its tyranny - and bows in general - are or where a required pick for backbar stamina DPS, regardless of class.

this plus poison injection nerf that nobody talks about, yeah, seems like bow tyranny will end. or youll be expected to have vma bow in every pve content.

on Live:
+260% In execute: 1 damage increases to up to 3,6 damage

On PTS: + 78% on all dot ticks, +100% in execute
1,78 damage increases to up to 3,58 damage

You barely lost anything in execute while gaining a lot above exeute threshhold....
What nerf are you talking about?