Battlegrounds queue, and the questionable state of the game's future.

jcm2606

Okay, the first time I posted about it some 6 odd months ago, and the first time I received no replies, was fine. Maybe you saw it, but didn't want to respond, for god knows what reason. The second time was a little less fine, but still fine. The third had me scratching my head. The fourth had me getting flustered in pent up frustration. The fifth had me seething in rage. But this, this is an utter joke.

In the last 30 minutes, I have had to endure the 20 minute penalty because of your *** useless group finder, not once, but twice, on the same *** character. I've made multiple threads over the span of the last 6 months, pointing out this bug, but to no avail. Whether you never saw them, despite the fact that I've pinged everyone relevant to the discussion, or whether you just don't give a damn, I don't know. But this is getting to be beyond a joke, and it's seriously making me question how long this game can continue going on for, especially when you consider the other things going on (just look at that thread about PC EU performance, that's just sad).

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_MattFiror

At this point, you have to be aware of the bug I'm talking about. You have to be aware that the battlegrounds group finder can sometimes fail to find a 3rd, which means the match is unable to start, even if you wait upwards of an hour. If you aren't aware of it, then you're living under a *** continent, because the forums have collectively yelled at you for at least the past 6 months over it.





Both of these images are 23 minutes apart, taken in two different matches (despite the same map and red being the team to not get a 3rd, one was a domination, the other a deathmatch), and I got a bugged match twice in a row, on the same character, forcing me to endure a 20 minute penalty, where I can't play the content I want to play, because of the game's *** up. A workaround for this is so damn easy, literally involving just checking if the match is still in the "finding players" stage before giving a player the penalty for leaving, and yet you can't excuse a PVP dev for 5 minutes to throw 1 line of code in to address an issue that has plagued Battlegrounds for years. I genuinely don't know what to say.

Changing gears for a moment, if we take this gamebreaking bug that has been a problem for years, on top of all the other bugs that have also been a problem for years, then look at them alongside the recent server issues across all platforms, I have two questions for you, Zenimax.

Firstly, to mirror another thread, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? You are, quote, "killing it", and yet you can't put any resources back into the servers, let alone address bugs more than every 3 months, let alone let a developer have 5 minutes away from the latest shiny to fix gamebreaking bugs. Your blatant negligence has led to probably the worst, period, ever, period bout of performance issues this game has seen in the last few years, if not the game's whole lifespan. So, once again, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? Because your inaction kinda shows you don't.

Secondly, as an extension of the first question, how long do you think this can last with your blatant negligence, Zenimax? Unless you make some rather big changes, I foresee the game imploding in 6-12 months, as more and more newer players come in causing the servers to be more and more overloaded, and a good portion of the classic WoW community inevitably comes to ESO when the nostalgia wears off. To every player reading this, and to Zenimax, if you think the performance is bad now, imagine what it will be in the next 6-12 months, if nothing is done to remedy it.

Jeremy

jcm2606 wrote: »

Okay, the first time I posted about it some 6 odd months ago, and the first time I received no replies, was fine. Maybe you saw it, but didn't want to respond, for god knows what reason. The second time was a little less fine, but still fine. The third had me scratching my head. The fourth had me getting flustered in pent up frustration. The fifth had me seething in rage. But this, this is an utter joke.

In the last 30 minutes, I have had to endure the 20 minute penalty because of your *** useless group finder, not once, but twice, on the same *** character. I've made multiple threads over the span of the last 6 months, pointing out this bug, but to no avail. Whether you never saw them, despite the fact that I've pinged everyone relevant to the discussion, or whether you just don't give a damn, I don't know. But this is getting to be beyond a joke, and it's seriously making me question how long this game can continue going on for, especially when you consider the other things going on (just look at that thread about PC EU performance, that's just sad).

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_MattFiror

At this point, you have to be aware of the bug I'm talking about. You have to be aware that the battlegrounds group finder can sometimes fail to find a 3rd, which means the match is unable to start, even if you wait upwards of an hour. If you aren't aware of it, then you're living under a *** continent, because the forums have collectively yelled at you for at least the past 6 months over it.





Both of these images are 23 minutes apart, taken in two different matches (despite the same map and red being the team to not get a 3rd, one was a domination, the other a deathmatch), and I got a bugged match twice in a row, on the same character, forcing me to endure a 20 minute penalty, where I can't play the content I want to play, because of the game's *** up. A workaround for this is so damn easy, literally involving just checking if the match is still in the "finding players" stage before giving a player the penalty for leaving, and yet you can't excuse a PVP dev for 5 minutes to throw 1 line of code in to address an issue that has plagued Battlegrounds for years. I genuinely don't know what to say.

Changing gears for a moment, if we take this gamebreaking bug that has been a problem for years, on top of all the other bugs that have also been a problem for years, then look at them alongside the recent server issues across all platforms, I have two questions for you, Zenimax.

Firstly, to mirror another thread, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? You are, quote, "killing it", and yet you can't put any resources back into the servers, let alone address bugs more than every 3 months, let alone let a developer have 5 minutes away from the latest shiny to fix gamebreaking bugs. Your blatant negligence has led to probably the worst, period, ever, period bout of performance issues this game has seen in the last few years, if not the game's whole lifespan. So, once again, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? Because your inaction kinda shows you don't.

Secondly, as an extension of the first question, how long do you think this can last with your blatant negligence, Zenimax? Unless you make some rather big changes, I foresee the game imploding in 6-12 months, as more and more newer players come in causing the servers to be more and more overloaded, and a good portion of the classic WoW community inevitably comes to ESO when the nostalgia wears off. To every player reading this, and to Zenimax, if you think the performance is bad now, imagine what it will be in the next 6-12 months, if nothing is done to remedy it.

It's an annoying bug - no doubt. "Game-breaking" may be a bit of a stretch. What I do when it happens is just eat the penalty and find something else to do for 20 minutes.

jcm2606

Jeremy wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Okay, the first time I posted about it some 6 odd months ago, and the first time I received no replies, was fine. Maybe you saw it, but didn't want to respond, for god knows what reason. The second time was a little less fine, but still fine. The third had me scratching my head. The fourth had me getting flustered in pent up frustration. The fifth had me seething in rage. But this, this is an utter joke.

In the last 30 minutes, I have had to endure the 20 minute penalty because of your *** useless group finder, not once, but twice, on the same *** character. I've made multiple threads over the span of the last 6 months, pointing out this bug, but to no avail. Whether you never saw them, despite the fact that I've pinged everyone relevant to the discussion, or whether you just don't give a damn, I don't know. But this is getting to be beyond a joke, and it's seriously making me question how long this game can continue going on for, especially when you consider the other things going on (just look at that thread about PC EU performance, that's just sad).

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_MattFiror

At this point, you have to be aware of the bug I'm talking about. You have to be aware that the battlegrounds group finder can sometimes fail to find a 3rd, which means the match is unable to start, even if you wait upwards of an hour. If you aren't aware of it, then you're living under a *** continent, because the forums have collectively yelled at you for at least the past 6 months over it.





Both of these images are 23 minutes apart, taken in two different matches (despite the same map and red being the team to not get a 3rd, one was a domination, the other a deathmatch), and I got a bugged match twice in a row, on the same character, forcing me to endure a 20 minute penalty, where I can't play the content I want to play, because of the game's *** up. A workaround for this is so damn easy, literally involving just checking if the match is still in the "finding players" stage before giving a player the penalty for leaving, and yet you can't excuse a PVP dev for 5 minutes to throw 1 line of code in to address an issue that has plagued Battlegrounds for years. I genuinely don't know what to say.

Changing gears for a moment, if we take this gamebreaking bug that has been a problem for years, on top of all the other bugs that have also been a problem for years, then look at them alongside the recent server issues across all platforms, I have two questions for you, Zenimax.

Firstly, to mirror another thread, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? You are, quote, "killing it", and yet you can't put any resources back into the servers, let alone address bugs more than every 3 months, let alone let a developer have 5 minutes away from the latest shiny to fix gamebreaking bugs. Your blatant negligence has led to probably the worst, period, ever, period bout of performance issues this game has seen in the last few years, if not the game's whole lifespan. So, once again, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? Because your inaction kinda shows you don't.

Secondly, as an extension of the first question, how long do you think this can last with your blatant negligence, Zenimax? Unless you make some rather big changes, I foresee the game imploding in 6-12 months, as more and more newer players come in causing the servers to be more and more overloaded, and a good portion of the classic WoW community inevitably comes to ESO when the nostalgia wears off. To every player reading this, and to Zenimax, if you think the performance is bad now, imagine what it will be in the next 6-12 months, if nothing is done to remedy it.

It's an annoying bug - no doubt. "Game-breaking" may be a bit of a stretch. What I do when it happens is just eat the penalty and find something else to do for 20 minutes.

It's locking me off from doing the content I want to do, especially when I get it back to back like this, so therefore it is gamebreaking. Just as gamebreaking as "somebody declined the invite" bug.

Downplaying bugs like this is also not a good thing, and I feel is part of the reason Zenimax can continually get away with it. This bug is destructive to how I play, it should be looked into ASAP.

Jeremy

jcm2606 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Okay, the first time I posted about it some 6 odd months ago, and the first time I received no replies, was fine. Maybe you saw it, but didn't want to respond, for god knows what reason. The second time was a little less fine, but still fine. The third had me scratching my head. The fourth had me getting flustered in pent up frustration. The fifth had me seething in rage. But this, this is an utter joke.

In the last 30 minutes, I have had to endure the 20 minute penalty because of your *** useless group finder, not once, but twice, on the same *** character. I've made multiple threads over the span of the last 6 months, pointing out this bug, but to no avail. Whether you never saw them, despite the fact that I've pinged everyone relevant to the discussion, or whether you just don't give a damn, I don't know. But this is getting to be beyond a joke, and it's seriously making me question how long this game can continue going on for, especially when you consider the other things going on (just look at that thread about PC EU performance, that's just sad).

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_MattFiror

At this point, you have to be aware of the bug I'm talking about. You have to be aware that the battlegrounds group finder can sometimes fail to find a 3rd, which means the match is unable to start, even if you wait upwards of an hour. If you aren't aware of it, then you're living under a *** continent, because the forums have collectively yelled at you for at least the past 6 months over it.





Both of these images are 23 minutes apart, taken in two different matches (despite the same map and red being the team to not get a 3rd, one was a domination, the other a deathmatch), and I got a bugged match twice in a row, on the same character, forcing me to endure a 20 minute penalty, where I can't play the content I want to play, because of the game's *** up. A workaround for this is so damn easy, literally involving just checking if the match is still in the "finding players" stage before giving a player the penalty for leaving, and yet you can't excuse a PVP dev for 5 minutes to throw 1 line of code in to address an issue that has plagued Battlegrounds for years. I genuinely don't know what to say.

Changing gears for a moment, if we take this gamebreaking bug that has been a problem for years, on top of all the other bugs that have also been a problem for years, then look at them alongside the recent server issues across all platforms, I have two questions for you, Zenimax.

Firstly, to mirror another thread, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? You are, quote, "killing it", and yet you can't put any resources back into the servers, let alone address bugs more than every 3 months, let alone let a developer have 5 minutes away from the latest shiny to fix gamebreaking bugs. Your blatant negligence has led to probably the worst, period, ever, period bout of performance issues this game has seen in the last few years, if not the game's whole lifespan. So, once again, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? Because your inaction kinda shows you don't.

Secondly, as an extension of the first question, how long do you think this can last with your blatant negligence, Zenimax? Unless you make some rather big changes, I foresee the game imploding in 6-12 months, as more and more newer players come in causing the servers to be more and more overloaded, and a good portion of the classic WoW community inevitably comes to ESO when the nostalgia wears off. To every player reading this, and to Zenimax, if you think the performance is bad now, imagine what it will be in the next 6-12 months, if nothing is done to remedy it.

It's an annoying bug - no doubt. "Game-breaking" may be a bit of a stretch. What I do when it happens is just eat the penalty and find something else to do for 20 minutes.

It's locking me off from doing the content I want to do, especially when I get it back to back like this, so therefore it is gamebreaking. Just as gamebreaking as "somebody declined the invite" bug.

Downplaying bugs like this is also not a good thing, and I feel is part of the reason Zenimax can continually get away with it. This bug is destructive to how I play, it should be looked into ASAP.

How often does it happen to you?

I do a LOT of battlegrounds and it's only happened to me several times. It's a serious bug that needs attention. But it hasn't broke the game or prevented me from doing battlegrounds.

MaxJrFTW

Happened to me twice in a row the last time i tried to pvp. It made me quit PvP completely. I'm not putting up with this sort of nonsense. I have cancelled my sub since and i've been playing casually.

jcm2606

Jeremy wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Okay, the first time I posted about it some 6 odd months ago, and the first time I received no replies, was fine. Maybe you saw it, but didn't want to respond, for god knows what reason. The second time was a little less fine, but still fine. The third had me scratching my head. The fourth had me getting flustered in pent up frustration. The fifth had me seething in rage. But this, this is an utter joke.

In the last 30 minutes, I have had to endure the 20 minute penalty because of your *** useless group finder, not once, but twice, on the same *** character. I've made multiple threads over the span of the last 6 months, pointing out this bug, but to no avail. Whether you never saw them, despite the fact that I've pinged everyone relevant to the discussion, or whether you just don't give a damn, I don't know. But this is getting to be beyond a joke, and it's seriously making me question how long this game can continue going on for, especially when you consider the other things going on (just look at that thread about PC EU performance, that's just sad).

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_MattFiror

At this point, you have to be aware of the bug I'm talking about. You have to be aware that the battlegrounds group finder can sometimes fail to find a 3rd, which means the match is unable to start, even if you wait upwards of an hour. If you aren't aware of it, then you're living under a *** continent, because the forums have collectively yelled at you for at least the past 6 months over it.





Both of these images are 23 minutes apart, taken in two different matches (despite the same map and red being the team to not get a 3rd, one was a domination, the other a deathmatch), and I got a bugged match twice in a row, on the same character, forcing me to endure a 20 minute penalty, where I can't play the content I want to play, because of the game's *** up. A workaround for this is so damn easy, literally involving just checking if the match is still in the "finding players" stage before giving a player the penalty for leaving, and yet you can't excuse a PVP dev for 5 minutes to throw 1 line of code in to address an issue that has plagued Battlegrounds for years. I genuinely don't know what to say.

Changing gears for a moment, if we take this gamebreaking bug that has been a problem for years, on top of all the other bugs that have also been a problem for years, then look at them alongside the recent server issues across all platforms, I have two questions for you, Zenimax.

Firstly, to mirror another thread, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? You are, quote, "killing it", and yet you can't put any resources back into the servers, let alone address bugs more than every 3 months, let alone let a developer have 5 minutes away from the latest shiny to fix gamebreaking bugs. Your blatant negligence has led to probably the worst, period, ever, period bout of performance issues this game has seen in the last few years, if not the game's whole lifespan. So, once again, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? Because your inaction kinda shows you don't.

Secondly, as an extension of the first question, how long do you think this can last with your blatant negligence, Zenimax? Unless you make some rather big changes, I foresee the game imploding in 6-12 months, as more and more newer players come in causing the servers to be more and more overloaded, and a good portion of the classic WoW community inevitably comes to ESO when the nostalgia wears off. To every player reading this, and to Zenimax, if you think the performance is bad now, imagine what it will be in the next 6-12 months, if nothing is done to remedy it.

It's an annoying bug - no doubt. "Game-breaking" may be a bit of a stretch. What I do when it happens is just eat the penalty and find something else to do for 20 minutes.

It's locking me off from doing the content I want to do, especially when I get it back to back like this, so therefore it is gamebreaking. Just as gamebreaking as "somebody declined the invite" bug.

Downplaying bugs like this is also not a good thing, and I feel is part of the reason Zenimax can continually get away with it. This bug is destructive to how I play, it should be looked into ASAP.

How often does it happen to you?

I do a LOT of battlegrounds and it's only happened to me several times. It's a serious bug that needs attention. But it hasn't broke the game or prevented me from doing battlegrounds.

Fairly often. But, again, downplaying bugs just because they're not common is not a good thing, and we should stop doing it. It's a serious bug that needs attention, as you said, so we should treat it as no less.

Jeremy

jcm2606 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Okay, the first time I posted about it some 6 odd months ago, and the first time I received no replies, was fine. Maybe you saw it, but didn't want to respond, for god knows what reason. The second time was a little less fine, but still fine. The third had me scratching my head. The fourth had me getting flustered in pent up frustration. The fifth had me seething in rage. But this, this is an utter joke.

In the last 30 minutes, I have had to endure the 20 minute penalty because of your *** useless group finder, not once, but twice, on the same *** character. I've made multiple threads over the span of the last 6 months, pointing out this bug, but to no avail. Whether you never saw them, despite the fact that I've pinged everyone relevant to the discussion, or whether you just don't give a damn, I don't know. But this is getting to be beyond a joke, and it's seriously making me question how long this game can continue going on for, especially when you consider the other things going on (just look at that thread about PC EU performance, that's just sad).

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_MattFiror

At this point, you have to be aware of the bug I'm talking about. You have to be aware that the battlegrounds group finder can sometimes fail to find a 3rd, which means the match is unable to start, even if you wait upwards of an hour. If you aren't aware of it, then you're living under a *** continent, because the forums have collectively yelled at you for at least the past 6 months over it.





Both of these images are 23 minutes apart, taken in two different matches (despite the same map and red being the team to not get a 3rd, one was a domination, the other a deathmatch), and I got a bugged match twice in a row, on the same character, forcing me to endure a 20 minute penalty, where I can't play the content I want to play, because of the game's *** up. A workaround for this is so damn easy, literally involving just checking if the match is still in the "finding players" stage before giving a player the penalty for leaving, and yet you can't excuse a PVP dev for 5 minutes to throw 1 line of code in to address an issue that has plagued Battlegrounds for years. I genuinely don't know what to say.

Changing gears for a moment, if we take this gamebreaking bug that has been a problem for years, on top of all the other bugs that have also been a problem for years, then look at them alongside the recent server issues across all platforms, I have two questions for you, Zenimax.

Firstly, to mirror another thread, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? You are, quote, "killing it", and yet you can't put any resources back into the servers, let alone address bugs more than every 3 months, let alone let a developer have 5 minutes away from the latest shiny to fix gamebreaking bugs. Your blatant negligence has led to probably the worst, period, ever, period bout of performance issues this game has seen in the last few years, if not the game's whole lifespan. So, once again, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? Because your inaction kinda shows you don't.

Secondly, as an extension of the first question, how long do you think this can last with your blatant negligence, Zenimax? Unless you make some rather big changes, I foresee the game imploding in 6-12 months, as more and more newer players come in causing the servers to be more and more overloaded, and a good portion of the classic WoW community inevitably comes to ESO when the nostalgia wears off. To every player reading this, and to Zenimax, if you think the performance is bad now, imagine what it will be in the next 6-12 months, if nothing is done to remedy it.

It's an annoying bug - no doubt. "Game-breaking" may be a bit of a stretch. What I do when it happens is just eat the penalty and find something else to do for 20 minutes.

It's locking me off from doing the content I want to do, especially when I get it back to back like this, so therefore it is gamebreaking. Just as gamebreaking as "somebody declined the invite" bug.

Downplaying bugs like this is also not a good thing, and I feel is part of the reason Zenimax can continually get away with it. This bug is destructive to how I play, it should be looked into ASAP.

How often does it happen to you?

I do a LOT of battlegrounds and it's only happened to me several times. It's a serious bug that needs attention. But it hasn't broke the game or prevented me from doing battlegrounds.

Fairly often. But, again, downplaying bugs just because they're not common is not a good thing, and we should stop doing it. It's a serious bug that needs attention, as you said, so we should treat it as no less.

I said it was a serious bug that needs attention. That isn't "downplaying" it. But it hasn't happened to me enough to warrant the term game breaking. That's all I"m saying. Nor has it prevented me from being able to do battlegrounds.

Now if it happens to you all the time I could understand your point of view. But in my experience this has probably only happened to me maybe a half dozen times. So while frustrating when it happens - I don't believe it rises to the threshold of game breaking. At least not yet.

Elwendryll

As a junior dev, I find it quite hard to estimate how many lines of code there is to change and how much time it would take. Code can be very, I mean, very messy.
And yes, something is game-breaking only if there is no way around. If it's not consistently occurring and it does not consistently prevent you from completing something, it's not on top of the priority list.

Even if you didn't have a direct response from the devs, we've had official communication on the LFG tool not being "up to standard". They told us they were actively working on it, and I'm pretty sure your problem is one of the things they are aiming to fix. Because it's mostly an issue of how the LFG tool works, right?

I totally understand the frustration, but look, you have something to hold onto, you have official communication on the matter.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/477365/update-on-lfg-system

LiraTaurwen

There is absolutely no excuse why this has not been fixed yet! If they can't fix the bug (which is probably caused by server issues) then at the very least change the rules of how the penalty is applied. How lazy can they be?
Why do they never give us an answer to this?
The way ZoS handles this "bug"says alot. Completely ignores it and pretends it isn't there.

LiraTaurwen

Elwendryll wrote: »

As a junior dev, I find it quite hard to estimate how many lines of code there is to change and how much time it would take. Code can be very, I mean, very messy.
And yes, something is game-breaking only if there is no way around. If it's not consistently occurring and it does not consistently prevent you from completing something, it's not on top of the priority list.

Even if you didn't have a direct response from the devs, we've had official communication on the LFG tool not being "up to standard". They told us they were actively working on it, and I'm pretty sure your problem is one of the things they are aiming to fix. Because it's mostly an issue of how the LFG tool works, right?

I totally understand the frustration, but look, you have something to hold onto, you have official communication on the matter.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/477365/update-on-lfg-system

I believe they have been promising that for a few years now... Just wake up people! This company has some greedy idiots in charge and they won't allow the dev team to spend resources and time fixing things that a smaller percentage of the population uses. They make new shiny stuff to get new players and older players to buy more dlcs, this is why we get so many each year. Other mmos usually don't get so much new content as ESO lol

Elwendryll

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Elwendryll wrote: »

As a junior dev, I find it quite hard to estimate how many lines of code there is to change and how much time it would take. Code can be very, I mean, very messy.
And yes, something is game-breaking only if there is no way around. If it's not consistently occurring and it does not consistently prevent you from completing something, it's not on top of the priority list.

Even if you didn't have a direct response from the devs, we've had official communication on the LFG tool not being "up to standard". They told us they were actively working on it, and I'm pretty sure your problem is one of the things they are aiming to fix. Because it's mostly an issue of how the LFG tool works, right?

I totally understand the frustration, but look, you have something to hold onto, you have official communication on the matter.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/477365/update-on-lfg-system

I believe they have been promising that for a few years now... Just wake up people! This company has some greedy idiots in charge and they won't allow the dev team to spend resources and time fixing things that a smaller percentage of the population uses. They make new shiny stuff to get new players and older players to buy more dlcs, this is why we get so many each year. Other mmos usually don't get so much new content as ESO lol

Except this is not some endgame specific issue. A lot of people use the finder, they do care, and they are actively working on a new tool, it's not some vague promise.

LiraTaurwen

Elwendryll wrote: »

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Elwendryll wrote: »

As a junior dev, I find it quite hard to estimate how many lines of code there is to change and how much time it would take. Code can be very, I mean, very messy.
And yes, something is game-breaking only if there is no way around. If it's not consistently occurring and it does not consistently prevent you from completing something, it's not on top of the priority list.

Even if you didn't have a direct response from the devs, we've had official communication on the LFG tool not being "up to standard". They told us they were actively working on it, and I'm pretty sure your problem is one of the things they are aiming to fix. Because it's mostly an issue of how the LFG tool works, right?

I totally understand the frustration, but look, you have something to hold onto, you have official communication on the matter.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/477365/update-on-lfg-system

I believe they have been promising that for a few years now... Just wake up people! This company has some greedy idiots in charge and they won't allow the dev team to spend resources and time fixing things that a smaller percentage of the population uses. They make new shiny stuff to get new players and older players to buy more dlcs, this is why we get so many each year. Other mmos usually don't get so much new content as ESO lol

Except this is not some endgame specific issue. A lot of people use the finder, they do care, and they are actively working on a new tool, it's not some vague promise.

I will believe when I see it fixed. It took them way too long to even say they would fix it, and note it will also take at least 6 more months... They want our money but also want us to wait while they fix something that should have been fixed years ago. Nope, they are not getting anything from me that is for sure.

Seraphayel

Elwendryll wrote: »

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Elwendryll wrote: »

As a junior dev, I find it quite hard to estimate how many lines of code there is to change and how much time it would take. Code can be very, I mean, very messy.
And yes, something is game-breaking only if there is no way around. If it's not consistently occurring and it does not consistently prevent you from completing something, it's not on top of the priority list.

Even if you didn't have a direct response from the devs, we've had official communication on the LFG tool not being "up to standard". They told us they were actively working on it, and I'm pretty sure your problem is one of the things they are aiming to fix. Because it's mostly an issue of how the LFG tool works, right?

I totally understand the frustration, but look, you have something to hold onto, you have official communication on the matter.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/477365/update-on-lfg-system

I believe they have been promising that for a few years now... Just wake up people! This company has some greedy idiots in charge and they won't allow the dev team to spend resources and time fixing things that a smaller percentage of the population uses. They make new shiny stuff to get new players and older players to buy more dlcs, this is why we get so many each year. Other mmos usually don't get so much new content as ESO lol

Except this is not some endgame specific issue. A lot of people use the finder, they do care, and they are actively working on a new tool, it's not some vague promise.

The problems exist for years now. Years. Not months. I don’t remember a time where LFG wasn’t bugged in this game. If they really would care they would have done something in the last years. The same with overall performance. If you can’t fix your stuff within years you’re either not willing to change anything or you’re just incompetent to the highest level.

Kadoin

Jeremy wrote: »

It's an annoying bug - no doubt. "Game-breaking" may be a bit of a stretch. What I do when it happens is just eat the penalty and find something else to do for 20 minutes.

Time is a valuable resource, even more than money. Imagine what would happen if all the complainers realized this? They'd play less and the game will start declining. ZOS should do everything in their power to appease their customers, yet lately it seems they are doing the opposite since entering the "big stage." Ir's not surprising to see frustration begin to grow...

LiraTaurwen

Jeremy wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Okay, the first time I posted about it some 6 odd months ago, and the first time I received no replies, was fine. Maybe you saw it, but didn't want to respond, for god knows what reason. The second time was a little less fine, but still fine. The third had me scratching my head. The fourth had me getting flustered in pent up frustration. The fifth had me seething in rage. But this, this is an utter joke.

In the last 30 minutes, I have had to endure the 20 minute penalty because of your *** useless group finder, not once, but twice, on the same *** character. I've made multiple threads over the span of the last 6 months, pointing out this bug, but to no avail. Whether you never saw them, despite the fact that I've pinged everyone relevant to the discussion, or whether you just don't give a damn, I don't know. But this is getting to be beyond a joke, and it's seriously making me question how long this game can continue going on for, especially when you consider the other things going on (just look at that thread about PC EU performance, that's just sad).

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_MattFiror

At this point, you have to be aware of the bug I'm talking about. You have to be aware that the battlegrounds group finder can sometimes fail to find a 3rd, which means the match is unable to start, even if you wait upwards of an hour. If you aren't aware of it, then you're living under a *** continent, because the forums have collectively yelled at you for at least the past 6 months over it.





Both of these images are 23 minutes apart, taken in two different matches (despite the same map and red being the team to not get a 3rd, one was a domination, the other a deathmatch), and I got a bugged match twice in a row, on the same character, forcing me to endure a 20 minute penalty, where I can't play the content I want to play, because of the game's *** up. A workaround for this is so damn easy, literally involving just checking if the match is still in the "finding players" stage before giving a player the penalty for leaving, and yet you can't excuse a PVP dev for 5 minutes to throw 1 line of code in to address an issue that has plagued Battlegrounds for years. I genuinely don't know what to say.

Changing gears for a moment, if we take this gamebreaking bug that has been a problem for years, on top of all the other bugs that have also been a problem for years, then look at them alongside the recent server issues across all platforms, I have two questions for you, Zenimax.

Firstly, to mirror another thread, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? You are, quote, "killing it", and yet you can't put any resources back into the servers, let alone address bugs more than every 3 months, let alone let a developer have 5 minutes away from the latest shiny to fix gamebreaking bugs. Your blatant negligence has led to probably the worst, period, ever, period bout of performance issues this game has seen in the last few years, if not the game's whole lifespan. So, once again, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? Because your inaction kinda shows you don't.

Secondly, as an extension of the first question, how long do you think this can last with your blatant negligence, Zenimax? Unless you make some rather big changes, I foresee the game imploding in 6-12 months, as more and more newer players come in causing the servers to be more and more overloaded, and a good portion of the classic WoW community inevitably comes to ESO when the nostalgia wears off. To every player reading this, and to Zenimax, if you think the performance is bad now, imagine what it will be in the next 6-12 months, if nothing is done to remedy it.

It's an annoying bug - no doubt. "Game-breaking" may be a bit of a stretch. What I do when it happens is just eat the penalty and find something else to do for 20 minutes.

What I do when I get the penalty is usually logout lol

Cążki

I'm also angry with this deffective buged finder, I play a lot BG sand I had many times bugs like you. Go to decide release new Activity Finder(LFG) tool:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/480855/poll-i-want-to-see-new-lfg-activity-finder-tool-earlier#latest

Coatmagic

I watch hubby do BGs on a regular basis. He has limited playtime due to work. It is indeed frustrating when it fails and he gets locked out for 20mins when he may only have 40mins or an hour to play

Interestingly enough, lockout hasn't happened lately, instead he's gotten into BGs with 2 vrs 3 vrs 4 then 2 vrs 2 vrs 3 then 2 vrs 4 vrs 4 xD

Those were fun to watch! But hey, at least there was no lockout, and he seemed to enjoy himself outnumbered or not

shaielzafine

This exact thing you described kept happening during the latest anniversary event and even before then. I posted on the forums too, like you. Now I just stopped playing BGs or random normals altogether. They already said they wouldn't make another event before fixing group finder, then they did exactly that. Now their "fix" is to keep click spamming for group finder to work, and if anything goes wrong in BG queue you still get a penalty. At least pve doesn't really have a significant penalty.

mb10

Every team is full on ps4 and queues are no longer than 3 mins usually...

ChunkyCat

During prime time hours, it takes close to twenty minutes for my StamSorc to get a match. My StamWarden averages about 13 minutes to find a match.

I don’t have hours to play, so I figured I’d dust off my MagDk and MagPlar. Takes them a 3-5 minutes to find a match. Sometimes instant.

I get this MMR idea, but it’s just fvcking up the limited amount of time I have to play. Sorry ZoS, I can’t play 6-8 hours a day.

jcm2606

ChunkyCat wrote: »

During prime time hours, it takes close to twenty minutes for my StamSorc to get a match. My StamWarden averages about 13 minutes to find a match.

I don’t have hours to play, so I figured I’d dust off my MagDk and MagPlar. Takes them a 3-5 minutes to find a match. Sometimes instant.

I get this MMR idea, but it’s just fvcking up the limited amount of time I have to play. Sorry ZoS, I can’t play 6-8 hours a day.

Unfortunately, MMR is just one of the many problems with Battlegrounds, and it's an equally important problem that deserves its own thread, as I have a lot of choice words I could say about it.

mb10 wrote: »

Every team is full on ps4 and queues are no longer than 3 mins usually...

If you're in the lower MMR brackets, that is the usual experience. Play regularly, play often, play on one character, let your MMR climb, and you'll start to see the very problems we're all complaining about, I can guarantee it.

Kadoin wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

It's an annoying bug - no doubt. "Game-breaking" may be a bit of a stretch. What I do when it happens is just eat the penalty and find something else to do for 20 minutes.

Time is a valuable resource, even more than money. Imagine what would happen if all the complainers realized this? They'd play less and the game will start declining. ZOS should do everything in their power to appease their customers, yet lately it seems they are doing the opposite since entering the "big stage." Ir's not surprising to see frustration begin to grow...

They've always done that, the difference now is there's a lot more people on, so the problems are now so much more impactful, and the voice complaining about the problems is so much louder.

Elwendryll wrote: »

As a junior dev, I find it quite hard to estimate how many lines of code there is to change and how much time it would take. Code can be very, I mean, very messy.
And yes, something is game-breaking only if there is no way around. If it's not consistently occurring and it does not consistently prevent you from completing something, it's not on top of the priority list.

Even if you didn't have a direct response from the devs, we've had official communication on the LFG tool not being "up to standard". They told us they were actively working on it, and I'm pretty sure your problem is one of the things they are aiming to fix. Because it's mostly an issue of how the LFG tool works, right?

I totally understand the frustration, but look, you have something to hold onto, you have official communication on the matter.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/477365/update-on-lfg-system

The thing is, they said the same when the Undaunted event caused the group finder to break. They said the same the prior Undaunted event, they said the same a few months before that, they said the same a few months before that. They keep saying the same thing, they keep making the same empty promises, and they keep failing to deliver on these empty promises, time, and time again. They can keep making the same promises, but the only time I'll actually believe it, is when I see it change for the better with my own eyes.

Jeremy

Kadoin wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

It's an annoying bug - no doubt. "Game-breaking" may be a bit of a stretch. What I do when it happens is just eat the penalty and find something else to do for 20 minutes.

Time is a valuable resource, even more than money. Imagine what would happen if all the complainers realized this? They'd play less and the game will start declining. ZOS should do everything in their power to appease their customers, yet lately it seems they are doing the opposite since entering the "big stage." Ir's not surprising to see frustration begin to grow...

I have noticed a decline in quality too so I wont' disagree with you there.

In respect to the battleground bug - I won't argue with you there either because it's a frustrating bug that needs to be fixed. But it's just not common enough for me to consider it game breaking is all and I usually have no trouble getting into a battleground. Sure, I have to flip through multiple ready checks as usual but I usually get in within a few minutes. Then again who knows... maybe I've just gotten lucky and it's been rarer for me than it has been with others. I'm only speaking from my own personal experience

Jeremy

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Okay, the first time I posted about it some 6 odd months ago, and the first time I received no replies, was fine. Maybe you saw it, but didn't want to respond, for god knows what reason. The second time was a little less fine, but still fine. The third had me scratching my head. The fourth had me getting flustered in pent up frustration. The fifth had me seething in rage. But this, this is an utter joke.

In the last 30 minutes, I have had to endure the 20 minute penalty because of your *** useless group finder, not once, but twice, on the same *** character. I've made multiple threads over the span of the last 6 months, pointing out this bug, but to no avail. Whether you never saw them, despite the fact that I've pinged everyone relevant to the discussion, or whether you just don't give a damn, I don't know. But this is getting to be beyond a joke, and it's seriously making me question how long this game can continue going on for, especially when you consider the other things going on (just look at that thread about PC EU performance, that's just sad).

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_MattFiror

At this point, you have to be aware of the bug I'm talking about. You have to be aware that the battlegrounds group finder can sometimes fail to find a 3rd, which means the match is unable to start, even if you wait upwards of an hour. If you aren't aware of it, then you're living under a *** continent, because the forums have collectively yelled at you for at least the past 6 months over it.





Both of these images are 23 minutes apart, taken in two different matches (despite the same map and red being the team to not get a 3rd, one was a domination, the other a deathmatch), and I got a bugged match twice in a row, on the same character, forcing me to endure a 20 minute penalty, where I can't play the content I want to play, because of the game's *** up. A workaround for this is so damn easy, literally involving just checking if the match is still in the "finding players" stage before giving a player the penalty for leaving, and yet you can't excuse a PVP dev for 5 minutes to throw 1 line of code in to address an issue that has plagued Battlegrounds for years. I genuinely don't know what to say.

Changing gears for a moment, if we take this gamebreaking bug that has been a problem for years, on top of all the other bugs that have also been a problem for years, then look at them alongside the recent server issues across all platforms, I have two questions for you, Zenimax.

Firstly, to mirror another thread, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? You are, quote, "killing it", and yet you can't put any resources back into the servers, let alone address bugs more than every 3 months, let alone let a developer have 5 minutes away from the latest shiny to fix gamebreaking bugs. Your blatant negligence has led to probably the worst, period, ever, period bout of performance issues this game has seen in the last few years, if not the game's whole lifespan. So, once again, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? Because your inaction kinda shows you don't.

Secondly, as an extension of the first question, how long do you think this can last with your blatant negligence, Zenimax? Unless you make some rather big changes, I foresee the game imploding in 6-12 months, as more and more newer players come in causing the servers to be more and more overloaded, and a good portion of the classic WoW community inevitably comes to ESO when the nostalgia wears off. To every player reading this, and to Zenimax, if you think the performance is bad now, imagine what it will be in the next 6-12 months, if nothing is done to remedy it.

It's an annoying bug - no doubt. "Game-breaking" may be a bit of a stretch. What I do when it happens is just eat the penalty and find something else to do for 20 minutes.

What I do when I get the penalty is usually logout lol

Can't really blame u there. I logged out when it happened to me while I was leveling my alt doing battlegrounds as well.

jcm2606

Jeremy wrote: »

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Okay, the first time I posted about it some 6 odd months ago, and the first time I received no replies, was fine. Maybe you saw it, but didn't want to respond, for god knows what reason. The second time was a little less fine, but still fine. The third had me scratching my head. The fourth had me getting flustered in pent up frustration. The fifth had me seething in rage. But this, this is an utter joke.

In the last 30 minutes, I have had to endure the 20 minute penalty because of your *** useless group finder, not once, but twice, on the same *** character. I've made multiple threads over the span of the last 6 months, pointing out this bug, but to no avail. Whether you never saw them, despite the fact that I've pinged everyone relevant to the discussion, or whether you just don't give a damn, I don't know. But this is getting to be beyond a joke, and it's seriously making me question how long this game can continue going on for, especially when you consider the other things going on (just look at that thread about PC EU performance, that's just sad).

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_MattFiror

At this point, you have to be aware of the bug I'm talking about. You have to be aware that the battlegrounds group finder can sometimes fail to find a 3rd, which means the match is unable to start, even if you wait upwards of an hour. If you aren't aware of it, then you're living under a *** continent, because the forums have collectively yelled at you for at least the past 6 months over it.





Both of these images are 23 minutes apart, taken in two different matches (despite the same map and red being the team to not get a 3rd, one was a domination, the other a deathmatch), and I got a bugged match twice in a row, on the same character, forcing me to endure a 20 minute penalty, where I can't play the content I want to play, because of the game's *** up. A workaround for this is so damn easy, literally involving just checking if the match is still in the "finding players" stage before giving a player the penalty for leaving, and yet you can't excuse a PVP dev for 5 minutes to throw 1 line of code in to address an issue that has plagued Battlegrounds for years. I genuinely don't know what to say.

Changing gears for a moment, if we take this gamebreaking bug that has been a problem for years, on top of all the other bugs that have also been a problem for years, then look at them alongside the recent server issues across all platforms, I have two questions for you, Zenimax.

Firstly, to mirror another thread, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? You are, quote, "killing it", and yet you can't put any resources back into the servers, let alone address bugs more than every 3 months, let alone let a developer have 5 minutes away from the latest shiny to fix gamebreaking bugs. Your blatant negligence has led to probably the worst, period, ever, period bout of performance issues this game has seen in the last few years, if not the game's whole lifespan. So, once again, do you actually care about the state of the game, Zenimax? Because your inaction kinda shows you don't.

Secondly, as an extension of the first question, how long do you think this can last with your blatant negligence, Zenimax? Unless you make some rather big changes, I foresee the game imploding in 6-12 months, as more and more newer players come in causing the servers to be more and more overloaded, and a good portion of the classic WoW community inevitably comes to ESO when the nostalgia wears off. To every player reading this, and to Zenimax, if you think the performance is bad now, imagine what it will be in the next 6-12 months, if nothing is done to remedy it.

It's an annoying bug - no doubt. "Game-breaking" may be a bit of a stretch. What I do when it happens is just eat the penalty and find something else to do for 20 minutes.

What I do when I get the penalty is usually logout lol

Can't really blame u there. I logged out when it happened to me while I was leveling my alt doing battlegrounds as well.

Now imagine if the main reason you logged on was to do Battlegrounds, lol. That's basically how it is for me.

iris56

shaielzafine wrote: »

This exact thing you described kept happening during the latest anniversary event and even before then. I posted on the forums too, like you. Now I just stopped playing BGs or random normals altogether. They already said they wouldn't make another event before fixing group finder, then they did exactly that. Now their "fix" is to keep click spamming for group finder to work, and if anything goes wrong in BG queue you still get a penalty. At least pve doesn't really have a significant penalty.

Untrue. Assuming you can even make it through the broken PVE group finder, I've tried to do a dungeon and had the first boss, or a door, or a switch or something be bugged and have to give up multiple times and you still have to wait the 15 min penalty. Some of those dungeons (Wayrest, I'm looking at you) have been broken for years.[/i] Or sometimes, I've done a dungeon, finish and it takes less than 15 min, but you still have to wait! Both group finders are broken, which is stupid and wrong. PVP or PVE, shouldn't matter, either way ZOS needs to get better about fixing bugs.

Ender1310

Haven’t looked st any numbers and I am sure your frustrated and I’m not trying to down play your frustration but I get the “feel” that eso is in a pretty good place.

mandricus

I reported this bug in the forum too, about one year ago (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/430887/battleground-instances-stuck).

Would it be so difficult to add a timer? If the match does not start in, say, 5 minutes, disband the groups, reset the instance, and nobody gets the penalty. It's not a solution, but could be an acceptable workaround until they find the root cause and fix it.

I can accept the bug to some degree and deal with it, the really frustrating part is having to take the deserter penalty for being placed in a bugged instance where your only option is to leave the match or waiting for an endless "waiting for players" loop.