Account wide Achievements

Rampeal

I know this dead horse has been beaten a lot, but it needs a few more whacks. Account wide Achievements is a must. With the skyshard sharing in the crown store it seems like Zos is heading in the right direction with making this game alt friendly.

I do not see why it has no been done soon. Now I know there are some out there that will just say no, but let me convince you with debunking arguments against it.

No MMO does this - False. There are many out there that do have account wide Achievements including WoW which is the biggest.

Your character didn't earn it your other one did so no. It ruins the RPG aspect - True, but the same could be said about your alts having access to the mounts, collectibles, houses, costumes, skins, and dyes(which is a form of shared Achievements) that it did not earn. So what makes Achievements so different that they have to be excluded?

It will ruin the game and make it where you would not want to make another character. - False if anything it would promote growth of the game and encourage players to make more toons.

As for myself I have earned these Achievements and I think that my Alternate characters deserve to benefit from the time and work I put into the game. Just this one players opinion.

What do you think? Should we have account wide Achievements? Please vote and let the developers know. Maybe than we can get a definitive yes or no from them and put this horse to bed.

barney2525

No

I dislike positions based on half truths.

There is No game that gives ALL the achievements of a single character to ALL other characters - ie. to the Account.

Some games give Some specific achievements to the account, but that is not what you are asking. And you are also, very conveniently, not giving Any actual examples of the achievements other games give.

Equating Costumes and mounts with Achievements is also not an honest comparison. What your mount "looks like" is a cosmetic and many can simply be bought with cash- depending on the time of year and the event in progress. So BUYING something cosmetic for the Account has nothing to do with "Earning" anything.

Master Crafter requires level 50 in all crafting. Explain to me how you are going to Give that achievement to ALL my characters when they do NOT have the level 50's required.

And this is the crux of the entire argument against. The new character does NOT have Any of the requirements that are needed for that Achievement. Does not matter which Achievement you are talking about. Achievements are specific to the Character. They are what makes each character Unique.

You put the time in on ONE character. That character has most of the Achievements. Your other characters have Not had the time put in.

Achievements are for the CHARACTER.

And you can't receive an Achievement if you Don't earn it.

There are specific ACCOUNT rewards for the first time a character hits specific Achievements. Dyes, non-combat pets, costumes, etc. Those are for the Account.

A Character does Not deserve an "Achievement" that the Character did not earn.

IMHO

idk

Yes

Zos likes dead horses. Look how long short lives threads with little supporting interests called out for faction locks and now we have them. Their first reason they stated was people we asking for it.

So it does pay off to beat the dead horse and pay no attention to those who say otherwise because they are just helping keep the thread active.

Edit: early on I did not support account wide achievements and I had a few reasons that will likely be brought up here by others. But in the end I found all the reasons irrelevant. It is not very important if I DPSed the latest and greatest trial on vet or HM or if I tanked it and it is easy to find out if I am lying that I tanked it but only DPSed it,

More importantly, if I meat the standards of the group I am running with which no achievement can answer that. There is a huge difference between the top groups and even second tier groups which is why they each have their own measurements.

So, as long as titles remain with the character that gained the achievement but we can see all achievements across the board there is no harm or foul in making achievements account wide.

Rev Rielle

No

Achievements are primarily in-game here for one reason: They are akin to a check-list giving an overview of what content is available, and how much of that content you have and have not experienced with a character. To that end it would not make any sense - and would only give rise to a lot of confusion - if achievements were account-based.

Achievements are a character-based guide to content, nothing more. There is no reason at all for achievements to be account based, it defeats the purpose of them.

Rampeal

Yes

barney2525 wrote: »

I dislike positions based on half truths.

There is No game that gives ALL the achievements of a single character to ALL other characters - ie. to the Account.

Some games give Some specific achievements to the account, but that is not what you are asking. And you are also, very conveniently, not giving Any actual examples of the achievements other games give.

Equating Costumes and mounts with Achievements is also not an honest comparison. What your mount "looks like" is a cosmetic and many can simply be bought with cash- depending on the time of year and the event in progress. So BUYING something cosmetic for the Account has nothing to do with "Earning" anything.

Master Crafter requires level 50 in all crafting. Explain to me how you are going to Give that achievement to ALL my characters when they do NOT have the level 50's required.

And this is the crux of the entire argument against. The new character does NOT have Any of the requirements that are needed for that Achievement. Does not matter which Achievement you are talking about. Achievements are specific to the Character. They are what makes each character Unique.

You put the time in on ONE character. That character has most of the Achievements. Your other characters have Not had the time put in.

Achievements are for the CHARACTER.

And you can't receive an Achievement if you Don't earn it.

There are specific ACCOUNT rewards for the first time a character hits specific Achievements. Dyes, non-combat pets, costumes, etc. Those are for the Account.

A Character does Not deserve an "Achievement" that the Character did not earn.

IMHO

World of Warcraft has all Achievements and rewards unlock for all characters. There is your proof

My character did not put in the work for those Achievements, I did. My character didn't get master crafter, I did. I did all of this on MY account so why should I not be able to share achievements between characters? I put in the work and I earned it. So my characters should all benefit from MY hard work.

It's funny that you mention master crafter because when you unlock the hammer cosmetic for it ALL characters can use it. When you unlock a motif, ALL characters can use it. So the only thing the shared achievements really get are the actual Achievements and title.

And no Achievements are not what make characters "unique". That is a invalid argument right there. Your races, class, gear, weapons, and gender I guess don't make you unique, but that Title over your head sure does. Because that is ALL that achievements would grant. Nothing more.

It seems like you and many other can not give me on Valid reason why Account wide achievements should not be given except the whole "your character didn't earn it". And you are right. My character did not earn it, but I did. All the Account wide Achievements would do is save me for having to grind out a reward I already won Multiple times. FUN TIMES AM I RIGHT? no

barney2525

No

idk wrote: »

Zos likes dead horses. Look how long short lives threads with little supporting interests called out for faction locks and now we have them. Their first reason they stated was people we asking for it.

So it does pay off to beat the dead horse and pay no attention to those who say otherwise because they are just helping keep the thread active.

Edit: early on I did not support account wide achievements and I had a few reasons that will likely be brought up here by others. But in the end I found all the reasons irrelevant. It is not very important if I DPSed the latest and greatest trial on vet or HM or if I tanked it and it is easy to find out if I am lying that I tanked it but only DPSed it,

More importantly, if I meat the standards of the group I am running with which no achievement can answer that. There is a huge difference between the top groups and even second tier groups which is why they each have their own measurements.

So, as long as titles remain with the character that gained the achievement but we can see all achievements across the board there is no harm or foul in making achievements account wide.

Ummm... what?

He is talking about one character that completes an Achievement - For example - Bangkorai Pathfinder.

Then, when he creates a new character, that new character should automatically have the Achievement completed : Bangkorai Pathfinder , even though they have never set foot in Bangkorai. I disagree with this position.

You have references meeting the standards of groups you are running with... ?

And seeing all achievements across the board... ?

Not sure what you are referring to.

Rampeal

Yes

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Achievements are primarily in-game here for one reason: They are akin to a check-list giving an overview of what content is available, and how much of that content you have and have not experienced with a character. To that end it would not make any sense - and would only give rise to a lot of confusion - if achievements were account-based.

Achievements are a character-based guide to content, nothing more. There is no reason at all for achievements to be account based, it defeats the purpose of them.

Not really. Games already do this. It will show account wide achievement earned then the personal on a seperate bar. WoW for example will show a achievement I earned as complete for a dungeons, yet it will still be greyed out for me to do again if I wish.

idk

Yes

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Achievements are primarily in-game here for one reason: They are akin to a check-list giving an overview of what content is available, and how much of that content you have and have not experienced with a character. To that end it would not make any sense - and would only give rise to a lot of confusion - if achievements were account-based.

Achievements are a character-based guide to content, nothing more. There is no reason at all for achievements to be account based, it defeats the purpose of them.

To that end it would allow us to know how much of the content we have experienced it makes total sense. So your argument does not hold water since it could easily still tell us what the character has done specifically regardless of account wide achievements.

Even more so that we have well over a dozen character slots with 5 classes of both stam, mag, healing and tanking characters in each class. I would feel real sorry for the person who is compulsive to complete all achievements on all characters we currently can make which is the only solid reason to have achievements be only character based.

jainiadral

Yes

GW2 does this. Every achievement is account-wide, including the "personal story." Seems to work well enough.

For altoholics like me who won't ever complete the largest-scale questing achievements on any toon--my "main" is no more special than my alts-- it might make it possible to unlock some of the more obscure titles or dyes. I've done the "work" but on a bunch of toons rather than a single boring one.

But, eh, not that big a deal for me. I've only done a couple extra achievements for dye or cosmetics. Hunting isn't fun for me.

Dusk_Coven

Yes

Account-wide anything is basically an alt-management feature. SWTOR has it and with good reason -- some people have literally scores of characters there. But Account-wide is really only meaningful for certain things.

-We have account-wide Champion Points, which is sort of the worst because it makes playing an alt useless when you can just concentrate on one toon and level every other alt.

-We have account-wide Housing, which is excellent!

-We are starting to have Account-wide Skyshards but I think people are balking at the cost. I'm worried that will be the way for all sorts of Account-wide unlocks in the future, including book collections and such. I think this needs to be part of a discussion of Account-wide achievements.

-We could have Account-wide recipes and motifs, something that SWTOR did not implement and is a huge mistake. It makes actually deleting a toon very hard as you have to get the resource again, and that is sometimes extremely hard for purple and gold recipes/blueprints/etcetera.

-Account wide Achievement _rewards_ already exist, so the actual Achievement doesn't really need to be account-wide. Where there might be relevance is in Achievements that require multiple steps. In such a case you could use different characters to complete the achievement, and that is something that could be looked at, especially for Event achievements.

Rampeal wrote: »

It will ruin the game and make it where you would not want to make another character. - False if anything it would promote growth of the game and encourage players to make more toons.

Making (or not making) alts doesn't necessarily ruin the game. FFXIV is very stingy with making alts and they can be, because you don't need an alt on the same server at all. They let you play every class, do everything, on a single character.
In many games that promote/allow many alts, the main reasons are to play different classes, choose different decisions/consequences in a story, farming resources, and storage mules -- the latter two being to circumvent the game and are sort-of against the spirit of the game.

A discussion of Account-wide anything really needs to look at why people are making a lot of alts to begin with.
SWTOR stories have A LOT of decision pathing and character history customization so it makes sense that people want to experiment with alts. This isn't really the case here, certainly not to the same degree.

barney2525

No

Rampeal wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I dislike positions based on half truths.

There is No game that gives ALL the achievements of a single character to ALL other characters - ie. to the Account.

Some games give Some specific achievements to the account, but that is not what you are asking. And you are also, very conveniently, not giving Any actual examples of the achievements other games give.

Equating Costumes and mounts with Achievements is also not an honest comparison. What your mount "looks like" is a cosmetic and many can simply be bought with cash- depending on the time of year and the event in progress. So BUYING something cosmetic for the Account has nothing to do with "Earning" anything.

Master Crafter requires level 50 in all crafting. Explain to me how you are going to Give that achievement to ALL my characters when they do NOT have the level 50's required.

And this is the crux of the entire argument against. The new character does NOT have Any of the requirements that are needed for that Achievement. Does not matter which Achievement you are talking about. Achievements are specific to the Character. They are what makes each character Unique.

You put the time in on ONE character. That character has most of the Achievements. Your other characters have Not had the time put in.

Achievements are for the CHARACTER.

And you can't receive an Achievement if you Don't earn it.

There are specific ACCOUNT rewards for the first time a character hits specific Achievements. Dyes, non-combat pets, costumes, etc. Those are for the Account.

A Character does Not deserve an "Achievement" that the Character did not earn.

IMHO

World of Warcraft has all Achievements and rewards unlock for all characters. There is your proof

My character did not put in the work for those Achievements, I did. My character didn't get master crafter, I did. I did all of this on MY account so why should I not be able to share achievements between characters? I put in the work and I earned it. So my characters should all benefit from MY hard work.

It's funny that you mention master crafter because when you unlock the hammer cosmetic for it ALL characters can use it. When you unlock a motif, ALL characters can use it. So the only thing the shared achievements really get are the actual Achievements and title.

And no Achievements are not what make characters "unique". That is a invalid argument right there. Your races, class, gear, weapons, and gender I guess don't make you unique, but that Title over your head sure does. Because that is ALL that achievements would grant. Nothing more.

It seems like you and many other can not give me on Valid reason why Account wide achievements should not be given except the whole "your character didn't earn it". And you are right. My character did not earn it, but I did. All the Account wide Achievements would do is save me for having to grind out a reward I already won Multiple times. FUN TIMES AM I RIGHT? no

There is a difference between "valid reason" and "Only something that you have not closed your mind to".

The flaw in your position is that You think that your OPINION is somehow hardline fact and anyone that has a position that disagrees with it is therefore Not Valid. Your position is : Because you say it, it Must be true. And then you claim that no one can give you a good reason because, rather than giving their position the respect of an opposing Opinion, you declare all other Opinions to be Invalid.

Very neat and tidy, I'll give you that.

Your whole Opinon is that the game is based soley on " I " , the Player. Everything else concerning the game is completely irrelevant. There is no immersion. There are actually no ' characters'. The game can be simply squeezed into a large assortment of problems to solve Once and then move on. So, you completed the puzzle once, move on the the next one and it doesn't matter which toon I want to use. One gets it, they all get it.

That's an Opinion. And you are welcome to it.

But it is Only an Opinion.

What you are not welcome to do is to claim no one else's Opinion has any validity. You are free to disagree. But setting yourself up as God and Judge just doesn't suit you.

Whether you like it or not, there are a lot of players that prefer Playing the game rather than Solving the game.

IMHO

Cously

Yes

I have one character. I want to reach all achievements. Not playing this character makes me think I may miss one of them (like a collectible monster throphy I don't have on the main drop for my alt). I'm interested in play other classes and races but this one thing keeps me. With account wide achievements I'd gladly purchase all slots available and make all alts possible and being impatient like I am would buy the riding lessons and skyshards. I'd have tons of fun, not feeling like I miss anything by playing character A, B, C, etc and ZOS would profit.

EDIT: Also make alliance war rank progression account wide. All the characters that contribute to DC fills the DC bar, the ones for AD fills de AD bar, etc.

SirAndy

Yes

Achievements are for players, not for characters. Combine them to be account wide. End of story.

You can still have titles for your characters depending on what they did or didn't do, but achievements are based on what i, the player, have achieved in the game by playing my various characters.

Rampeal

Yes

barney2525 wrote: »

Rampeal wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I dislike positions based on half truths.

There is No game that gives ALL the achievements of a single character to ALL other characters - ie. to the Account.

Some games give Some specific achievements to the account, but that is not what you are asking. And you are also, very conveniently, not giving Any actual examples of the achievements other games give.

Equating Costumes and mounts with Achievements is also not an honest comparison. What your mount "looks like" is a cosmetic and many can simply be bought with cash- depending on the time of year and the event in progress. So BUYING something cosmetic for the Account has nothing to do with "Earning" anything.

Master Crafter requires level 50 in all crafting. Explain to me how you are going to Give that achievement to ALL my characters when they do NOT have the level 50's required.

And this is the crux of the entire argument against. The new character does NOT have Any of the requirements that are needed for that Achievement. Does not matter which Achievement you are talking about. Achievements are specific to the Character. They are what makes each character Unique.

You put the time in on ONE character. That character has most of the Achievements. Your other characters have Not had the time put in.

Achievements are for the CHARACTER.

And you can't receive an Achievement if you Don't earn it.

There are specific ACCOUNT rewards for the first time a character hits specific Achievements. Dyes, non-combat pets, costumes, etc. Those are for the Account.

A Character does Not deserve an "Achievement" that the Character did not earn.

IMHO

World of Warcraft has all Achievements and rewards unlock for all characters. There is your proof

My character did not put in the work for those Achievements, I did. My character didn't get master crafter, I did. I did all of this on MY account so why should I not be able to share achievements between characters? I put in the work and I earned it. So my characters should all benefit from MY hard work.

It's funny that you mention master crafter because when you unlock the hammer cosmetic for it ALL characters can use it. When you unlock a motif, ALL characters can use it. So the only thing the shared achievements really get are the actual Achievements and title.

And no Achievements are not what make characters "unique". That is a invalid argument right there. Your races, class, gear, weapons, and gender I guess don't make you unique, but that Title over your head sure does. Because that is ALL that achievements would grant. Nothing more.

It seems like you and many other can not give me on Valid reason why Account wide achievements should not be given except the whole "your character didn't earn it". And you are right. My character did not earn it, but I did. All the Account wide Achievements would do is save me for having to grind out a reward I already won Multiple times. FUN TIMES AM I RIGHT? no

There is a difference between "valid reason" and "Only something that you have not closed your mind to".

The flaw in your position is that You think that your OPINION is somehow hardline fact and anyone that has a position that disagrees with it is therefore Not Valid. Your position is : Because you say it, it Must be true. And then you claim that no one can give you a good reason because, rather than giving their position the respect of an opposing Opinion, you declare all other Opinions to be Invalid.

Very neat and tidy, I'll give you that.

Your whole Opinon is that the game is based soley on " I " , the Player. Everything else concerning the game is completely irrelevant. There is no immersion. There are actually no ' characters'. The game can be simply squeezed into a large assortment of problems to solve Once and then move on. So, you completed the puzzle once, move on the the next one and it doesn't matter which toon I want to use. One gets it, they all get it.

That's an Opinion. And you are welcome to it.

But it is Only an Opinion.

What you are not welcome to do is to claim no one else's Opinion has any validity. You are free to disagree. But setting yourself up as God and Judge just doesn't suit you.

Whether you like it or not, there are a lot of players that prefer Playing the game rather than Solving the game.

IMHO

No sir I was stating that your comment that a achievement makes your character more unique than your other characters was invalid. And in my opinion it is invalid and that is a fact.

And as far as my supposed "opinion" that the game revolves around Myself, well that is not my opinion. That is a Fact. I play this game, I solve these puzzles, I get immersed into the game with a character avatar that I created. So yes it is about me when I play and not about some character that would not exist unless I came up with it. And that sir is a fact.

idk

Yes

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Account-wide anything is basically an alt-management feature. SWTOR has it and with good reason -- some people have literally scores of characters there. But Account-wide is really only meaningful for certain things.

-We have account-wide Champion Points, which is sort of the worst because it makes playing an alt useless when you can just concentrate on one toon and level every other alt.

-We have account-wide Housing, which is excellent!.

This is a very good point and it is one thing they did well with SWTOR. The account wide achievements include class based achievements which could easily be character based achievements in this game since we really lack anything class based.

theyancey

No

By the power of the Eight, NO!

jcaceresw

Yes

YES! That will make me regain interest in the game. Redoing everything on another main toon while my first one have most of it is not appealing. The reason I tried to redo everything is because my first main class. Is not fit for DPS build so I was forced to start over with another one. I would pay gladly for either a class change or account wide achievements options and much better if both of them were available.

Rampeal

Yes

theyancey wrote: »

By the power of the Eight, NO!

I want this in the future so...By the powers of the 9 yes lol

Nulami

No

SirAndy wrote: »

Achievements are for players, not for characters. Combine them to be account wide. End of story.

Nah. Achievements are for each character, not the player. If they were for the player, then each alt created would have to be the same level as the main character and have the same number of skill points, etc. Those are achievements as well. It is bad enough that they are selling the achievement of acquiring all of the skyshards in a zone in the Crown Store. Leave well enough alone.

barney2525

No

Rampeal wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

Rampeal wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I dislike positions based on half truths.

There is No game that gives ALL the achievements of a single character to ALL other characters - ie. to the Account.

Some games give Some specific achievements to the account, but that is not what you are asking. And you are also, very conveniently, not giving Any actual examples of the achievements other games give.

Equating Costumes and mounts with Achievements is also not an honest comparison. What your mount "looks like" is a cosmetic and many can simply be bought with cash- depending on the time of year and the event in progress. So BUYING something cosmetic for the Account has nothing to do with "Earning" anything.

Master Crafter requires level 50 in all crafting. Explain to me how you are going to Give that achievement to ALL my characters when they do NOT have the level 50's required.

And this is the crux of the entire argument against. The new character does NOT have Any of the requirements that are needed for that Achievement. Does not matter which Achievement you are talking about. Achievements are specific to the Character. They are what makes each character Unique.

You put the time in on ONE character. That character has most of the Achievements. Your other characters have Not had the time put in.

Achievements are for the CHARACTER.

And you can't receive an Achievement if you Don't earn it.

There are specific ACCOUNT rewards for the first time a character hits specific Achievements. Dyes, non-combat pets, costumes, etc. Those are for the Account.

A Character does Not deserve an "Achievement" that the Character did not earn.

IMHO

World of Warcraft has all Achievements and rewards unlock for all characters. There is your proof

My character did not put in the work for those Achievements, I did. My character didn't get master crafter, I did. I did all of this on MY account so why should I not be able to share achievements between characters? I put in the work and I earned it. So my characters should all benefit from MY hard work.

It's funny that you mention master crafter because when you unlock the hammer cosmetic for it ALL characters can use it. When you unlock a motif, ALL characters can use it. So the only thing the shared achievements really get are the actual Achievements and title.

And no Achievements are not what make characters "unique". That is a invalid argument right there. Your races, class, gear, weapons, and gender I guess don't make you unique, but that Title over your head sure does. Because that is ALL that achievements would grant. Nothing more.

It seems like you and many other can not give me on Valid reason why Account wide achievements should not be given except the whole "your character didn't earn it". And you are right. My character did not earn it, but I did. All the Account wide Achievements would do is save me for having to grind out a reward I already won Multiple times. FUN TIMES AM I RIGHT? no

There is a difference between "valid reason" and "Only something that you have not closed your mind to".

The flaw in your position is that You think that your OPINION is somehow hardline fact and anyone that has a position that disagrees with it is therefore Not Valid. Your position is : Because you say it, it Must be true. And then you claim that no one can give you a good reason because, rather than giving their position the respect of an opposing Opinion, you declare all other Opinions to be Invalid.

Very neat and tidy, I'll give you that.

Your whole Opinon is that the game is based soley on " I " , the Player. Everything else concerning the game is completely irrelevant. There is no immersion. There are actually no ' characters'. The game can be simply squeezed into a large assortment of problems to solve Once and then move on. So, you completed the puzzle once, move on the the next one and it doesn't matter which toon I want to use. One gets it, they all get it.

That's an Opinion. And you are welcome to it.

But it is Only an Opinion.

What you are not welcome to do is to claim no one else's Opinion has any validity. You are free to disagree. But setting yourself up as God and Judge just doesn't suit you.

Whether you like it or not, there are a lot of players that prefer Playing the game rather than Solving the game.

IMHO

No sir I was stating that your comment that a achievement makes your character more unique than your other characters was invalid. And in my opinion it is invalid and that is a fact.

And as far as my supposed "opinion" that the game revolves around Myself, well that is not my opinion. That is a Fact. I play this game, I solve these puzzles, I get immersed into the game with a character avatar that I created. So yes it is about me when I play and not about some character that would not exist unless I came up with it. And that sir is a fact.

Amazing.

Had to do a little research on your WoW reference, as I have never had the... pleasure ? ... Once again, your statement was not entirely honest. Yes, they have character Achievements - which are only vaguely similar lto the Achievements in ESO. And once you hit that Achievement for the first time - You get 10 points. They go on to say that those points are literally meaningless, because they cannot and will not be able to be used to ' gain ' anything. They are just a score for the first time a character 'achieves' , for example, level 50.

The Achievement does Not actually apply TO anything. All your new characters don't start at 50. Learning an expert riding skill does not allow all your characters to ride at that level.

In ESO Achievements actually Mean something to the character. You got a master crafter, then you have a character that can really DO a lot of things in the game that many characters Can't. If for some odd reason that character got deleted, It's gone. According to you, all your characters would be Master Crafters, because you earned the Achievement once. But you could Not do anything that a Master Crafter should be able to do.

Or do you plan on Revoking Achievements as well?

Just because your Opinion is that the characters do not matter, does Not make that Opinion any more valid or factual than anyone else's Opinion.

IMHO

SirAndy

Yes

Nulami wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Achievements are for players, not for characters. Combine them to be account wide. End of story.

Nah. Achievements are for each character, not the player. If they were for the player, then each alt created would have to be the same level as the main character and have the same number of skill points, etc. Those are achievements as well. It is bad enough that they are selling the achievement of acquiring all of the skyshards in a zone in the Crown Store. Leave well enough alone.

Nah, you got that all wrong. There's no character level requirement or skill points requirement for all characters. I'm not even sure how you think that would be the case.

If the achievements are account wide it would simply say:

- Achievement ABC was completed on dd/mm/yyyy by (your character) xyz

That's it, all achievements are for you, the player and they can list what character you got them with.

Why in the world would that require all your characters to be the same level? Makes no sense.
If you want some character level acknowledgement for achievements, give them titles to use if they completed a certain achievement.

Again, having them account wide could easily be implemented without taking anything away from your characters but really helping those players (like me) that have leveled several characters to max level.
Combined between my 5 mains i have done a lot more distinct achievements than on any one of them alone.
I have put in just as much time (if not more) than someone with just one main character. Yet i'm the one who gets penalized for playing multiple mains.

Sylvermynx

No

I play multiple characters. Pretty soon I'll have 36. I don't want account wide 'chieves. That's just silly - each of my toons does stuff specific to that toon, nothing to do with anyone else I play part of the time.

Of course.... I find achievements silly anyway. I've been out of kindergarten for a VERY long time, and gold stars just don't have any oomph....

So if account wide 'chieves happen, fine - all y'all who jones for those gold stars will be happy, and quit cluttering up the forum with your childish "I have to win all the stuffs" sort of threads.

Goregrinder

The only account wide achievement I really care about is CP.

Rampeal

Yes

@barney2525

Ok now you are making stuff up first of all I NEVER said anything about "all your characters would be Master Crafters, because you earned the Achievement once."or even implied it. You sir are a liar.

Now what I did say is that the cosmetic, skins and items you get from achievements apply to all characters. And as far as your WoW "research" goes you obviously did not look hard enough. There are a ton of Titles, mounts, and items that are applied to the account when you unlock on one character. I player WoW for 13 years so yes I would think I know what I am talking about. And been playing ESO longer than you so....yeah. ESO Achievement are the same as WoW if not weaker. At least in WoW we get mounts as a achievement.

You sir have no ground to stand on. It was fun debating, but you lost. I will not debate further with someone who lies to validate their argument. Good day.

MrGarlic

Eidetic memory and Crafting Motifs should be account wide.

MellowMagic

No

The only thing I think should be account shared is riding skills, the worst thing about making an alt is leveling the mount.

Rev Rielle

No

Rampeal wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Achievements are primarily in-game here for one reason: They are akin to a check-list giving an overview of what content is available, and how much of that content you have and have not experienced with a character. To that end it would not make any sense - and would only give rise to a lot of confusion - if achievements were account-based.

Achievements are a character-based guide to content, nothing more. There is no reason at all for achievements to be account based, it defeats the purpose of them.

Not really. Games already do this. It will show account wide achievement earned then the personal on a seperate bar. WoW for example will show a achievement I earned as complete for a dungeons, yet it will still be greyed out for me to do again if I wish.

Yes. But ESO does not do this, and that's the point. We're not playing those other games, we're playing ESO. Just because another MMO/game does it one way is no argument for it to be done the same here. If anything it's an argument for the opposite.

Sirona_Starr

Yes

My two cents, for what it's worth. Yes, there are already a number of achievement awards or purchases, that are shared among toons - like dyes, costumes, mounts etc. There is also a division in achievements between an RNG luck grind, and just play the game or grind.

If you get Master Angler - a grind and based on luck drops, as an example, that ABSOLUTELY should be shared on all toons. Same with Master Crafter. Same with Eidetic Memory books, especially since some of them are bugged. I have a low level toon that got a book my main toon cannot get. Those make sense! Perhaps Crafting/Motif books as well, given drops are luck based or purchase based.

Skill based/levelling ones. No they should not. Mage's and Fighter's guild are super easy to level, require no luck, and make sense in the terms of skill growth for a new toon. As does Dark Brotherhood, Thieves, Psijic (Yes, I know the grind is brutal. Drink wine while you do it) LOL.

I have no idea why they did the Skyshards thing - aside from making money. Super easy to get Skyshards - no luck involved (If you're that lazy, then pay - I agree with that entirely). I would have paid BIG BUCKS for the Eidetic Memory books share - especially given the bugs!!!!!!!

Titles, who cares if they are shared? You can only use one at a time. You can share your perfected gear, Monster Helms, skins, VMA weapons, etc. on different toons from wherever you got it - why not the titles too?

Rampeal

Yes

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I play multiple characters. Pretty soon I'll have 36. I don't want account wide 'chieves. That's just silly - each of my toons does stuff specific to that toon, nothing to do with anyone else I play part of the time.

Of course.... I find achievements silly anyway. I've been out of kindergarten for a VERY long time, and gold stars just don't have any oomph....

So if account wide 'chieves happen, fine - all y'all who jones for those gold stars will be happy, and quit cluttering up the forum with your childish "I have to win all the stuffs" sort of threads.

Talks about kindergarten, yet has ✌"36"✌ characters and talks about people being childish. Good on you sir. Few of us can sacrifice our social life to develop such a ensemble. Cheers.

kargen27

No

MMO's in part survive on the content being repeated. Account wide achievements take away from that. We say we hate having to do all that fun stuff again but truth be told it is what keeps many of us playing. If we could just hop on a new character and it is pretty much ready to go with little game play we would quickly find little reason to log in.

richo262

Yes

I don't care about my alts because there is no value in doing anything on them. I actually don't care much about achievements generally really. It took a while to get there too, I came into ESO with the habit of caring about achievements from other games, but after I saw how meaningless they are, I was never inspired to get them.

I think they should have a 'Character Feat' tab which only contains titles, which are character bound, then make all achievements account wide. I agree with those that say No, when their argument is regarding titles.

There are some Dungeon achievements out there that give XP and Undaunted XP, which is silly, given most of the time when somebody performs one of these achievements they have usually maxed out Undaunted. They should make the benefit of unlocking these achievements a +1% increase to undaunted XP, so alts can level through the grindfest of undaunted faster.