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Malicious Strike change in Patch v5.0.7
troomar
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In today's patch notes, there was a "fix":
Cloudrest Trial - Blocking Malicious Strike’s projectile damage no longer prevents the Dark Drain effect from applying, as originally intended.
What do you think about it?
I always thought this was an intended mechanic that rewarded a player who was aware about his surroundings. As a melee DPS, you want a range DPS to deal with this mechanic (killing balls before they jump and pop up, stunning a random target in the process), but if you actually pay attention and block the projectile, you're rewarded. Now it doesn't matter anymore. The projectile damage is not what is dangerous, multiple DoTs on you are. Especially on +1/+2/+3 when 1 healer is in the shadow realm.
What is the counter to this DoT now?
Sure, healing, but it means you have to stay near your healer all the time. But what about other mechanics like sending spears to the shadow realm? Or the mechanics from mini bosses on +1/+2/+3. You can't stay near your healer all the time. And when it happens you can die. And dying in vCR+1/+2/+3, as you all for sure know, is a serious problem.
For me, as a melee stamina DPS, this was the most dangerous mechanic in the whole trial and I'm not very happy about this change
Cloudrest Trial - Blocking Malicious Strike’s projectile damage no longer prevents the Dark Drain effect from applying, as originally intended.
What do you think about it?
I always thought this was an intended mechanic that rewarded a player who was aware about his surroundings. As a melee DPS, you want a range DPS to deal with this mechanic (killing balls before they jump and pop up, stunning a random target in the process), but if you actually pay attention and block the projectile, you're rewarded. Now it doesn't matter anymore. The projectile damage is not what is dangerous, multiple DoTs on you are. Especially on +1/+2/+3 when 1 healer is in the shadow realm.
What is the counter to this DoT now?
Sure, healing, but it means you have to stay near your healer all the time. But what about other mechanics like sending spears to the shadow realm? Or the mechanics from mini bosses on +1/+2/+3. You can't stay near your healer all the time. And when it happens you can die. And dying in vCR+1/+2/+3, as you all for sure know, is a serious problem.
For me, as a melee stamina DPS, this was the most dangerous mechanic in the whole trial and I'm not very happy about this change
Yes.
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Because it was a bug, it behaved inconsistently.
If you had a damage shield up while blocking, you would still get the DoT. So better hope the offtank didn't cast Igneous Shields on you when that Malicious Strike went out...
As for the counter, you've correctly identified that healing is the counter. If you need to step out of group for mechanics like dropping Hoarfrost, that's on your healer to identify that and make sure you are healed. And this is a reason (among others) that some mechanics (e.g., spears) are simply not handled by DDs.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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troomar✭✭✭✭If you had a damage shield up while blocking, you would still get the DoT.
Oh, I didn't know that. Interesting.... some mechanics (e.g., spears) are simply not handled by DDs.
Now, this is weird, because if the healer is sending spears to the shadow realm then the healer is away from the rest of his group. I'm talking about the situation when 1 tank, 1 healer and 2 DPS are going down to the shadow realm. Then 2 tanks, 1 healer and 5 DPS are staying up. 1 tank on the main boss, 1 tank on the miniboss. If the remaining healer should handle the spears, wouldn't this be more dangerous? Leaving both tanks and 5 DPS away.
I know, discussing Cloudrest strategy is a bit off-topic, but the point is, that in our group it's usually 1 DPS who handle spears when the shadow realm mechanics occur (yes, me specifically
), and in that moment Malicious Strike is very dangerous, because I'm away from the healer. The block mechanic gave me a way to survive this. Right now, I would probably have to slot Vigor ... but it seems wrong.
Why it was a bug and not an intended mechanic? It was so cool and rewarding.Yes.0 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm talking about the situation when 1 tank, 1 healer and 2 DPS are going down to the shadow realm.
I am unfamiliar with that approach. Most groups send one tank and two DDs. Both healers remain up top for the entire duration of the fight, with one healer being the "group" healer and one healer being the "kite" healer. The kite healer is responsible for ensuring that Crushing Darkness is not in group and for sending spears down during portal phases.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
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- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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T3hasiangod✭✭✭✭✭If you had a damage shield up while blocking, you would still get the DoT.
Oh, I didn't know that. Interesting.... some mechanics (e.g., spears) are simply not handled by DDs.
Now, this is weird, because if the healer is sending spears to the shadow realm then the healer is away from the rest of his group. I'm talking about the situation when 1 tank, 1 healer and 2 DPS are going down to the shadow realm. Then 2 tanks, 1 healer and 5 DPS are staying up. 1 tank on the main boss, 1 tank on the miniboss. If the remaining healer should handle the spears, wouldn't this be more dangerous? Leaving both tanks and 5 DPS away.
I know, discussing Cloudrest strategy is a bit off-topic, but the point is, that in our group it's usually 1 DPS who handle spears when the shadow realm mechanics occur (yes, me specifically), and in that moment Malicious Strike is very dangerous, because I'm away from the healer. The block mechanic gave me a way to survive this. Right now, I would probably have to slot Vigor ... but it seems wrong.
Why it was a bug and not an intended mechanic? It was so cool and rewarding.
Why are you sending a healer downstairs? Your DPS should be able to survive downstairs by themselves. Both healers stay up top.
Every group I've run with has only done 1 tank and 2 DPS downstairs.Edited by T3hasiangod on June 3, 2019 5:10PM0 -
troomar✭✭✭✭I am unfamiliar with that approach. Most groups send one tank and two DDs. Both healers remain up top for the entire duration of the fight, with one healer being the "group" healer and one healer being the "kite" healer. The kite healer is responsible for ensuring that Crushing Darkness is not in group and for sending spears down during portal phases.
Yes, then it makes sense the change does not affect the current meta in killing vCR++.Why are you sending a healer downstairs? Your DPS should be able to survive downstairs by themselves. Both healers stay up top.
Every group I've run with has only done 1 tank and 2 DPS downstairs.
I'm not the raid leader of our group, so I can't comment on the approach we're using, but we had hard time when we sent only tank and 2DDs down to the shadow realm. That's why we use the second healer to help the team down there. You can see we don't follow meta just by the fact that we allow stamina DPS in the raid to participate
So, the only way is to adapt to this change and slot Vigor
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