Sunspire improvements

richo262

It somewhat feels like Sunspire is not a full trial. I mean, it somewhat is, but the way it is played now, not so much.

Sunspire farming tactic is as follows

1) Kill mob in court yard.
2a) Head left, hug the wall on the left and avoid the entire mob in that room. Next area, clear mob then fight Storm/Frost Dragon.
2b) Head right, kill mob in the room. Next area avoid the entire mob by sticking to the right. Take ladder down and fight Iron/Fire Dragon.
3) No matter which path you take, 2A or 2B, you end up on treasure hunt looting ~7 chests on the back route connecting the Storm and Iron dragons.
4) Kill the which ever dragon remains. Whether you choose 2A or 2B, the path back to start will have mobs. Port on each other back to the start.
5) Go through middle door in courtyard to face the final boss.
6) Complete Sunspire having looted 3 bosses, 7 chests and avoided half of the mobs in the trial.

Sunspire has 10 loot opportunities, whereas Cloudrest only has 4. Cloudrest has no mobs, but half of Sunspires can be avoided.

Solution:
Remove the chests on the back path. Have the chests spawn in after the mobs have been wiped out, similar to how the Lord Warden / Valk chest appears after being defeated. Players won't avoid mobs if they dropped a chest.

Or

Remove all chests and have the last mob in the pack drop an item, like the 2nd last "boss" of Dark Shade 2.

irswat

also give us portals @ZOS_Finn On the public server I reported this as an issue, and if I recall you said trials never have portals after boss fights...vAA, vMoL, vHoF, vHRC, vSO, they all use portals. If this is a 'full' trial, and the speed run being 30 minutes as opposed to 15 minutes suggests it is a full trial, then can we please have portals when we kill bosses?

Kikke

From what I've heard, the speedy gear farm method does not give speed run. So you have too learn too deal with the trash if you ever want a speedrun.

lassitershawn

The chests are useless though...? They drop imperfect gear. And if you're on normal farming imperfect gear you might as well kill the trash it would take almost no time and also potentially drop gear.

richo262

lassitershawn wrote: »

The chests are useless though...? They drop imperfect gear. And if you're on normal farming imperfect gear you might as well kill the trash it would take almost no time and also potentially drop gear.

Should being the operative word.

I've never fully completed Sunspire. Every trial i've joined has resulted in people automatically porting to start. It is now the normal practice.

Which is why I'd prefer chests, placed in ridiculous places, to be placed in places that give incentive to kill the mobs.

LiquidPony

richo262 wrote: »

lassitershawn wrote: »

The chests are useless though...? They drop imperfect gear. And if you're on normal farming imperfect gear you might as well kill the trash it would take almost no time and also potentially drop gear.

Should being the operative word.

I've never fully completed Sunspire. Every trial i've joined has resulted in people automatically porting to start. It is now the normal practice.

Which is why I'd prefer chests, placed in ridiculous places, to be placed in places that give incentive to kill the mobs.

Because it's new and people are running it constantly specifically to farm gear.

Join a team that's actually working on the full Trial if you want that experience. The incentive to kill mobs is that you miss out on score and achievements if you skip them.

code65536

They should get rid of all the chests located between the two dragons. Place them in the empty hallway before Nahvintaas. That way chests are (1) not hidden (Maw-style) (2) locked behind the killing of both Lokkestiiz and Yolnahkriin. And then making the chests drop perfected gear on vet becomes a bit more sensible.

richo262

LiquidPony wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

lassitershawn wrote: »

The chests are useless though...? They drop imperfect gear. And if you're on normal farming imperfect gear you might as well kill the trash it would take almost no time and also potentially drop gear.

Should being the operative word.

I've never fully completed Sunspire. Every trial i've joined has resulted in people automatically porting to start. It is now the normal practice.

Which is why I'd prefer chests, placed in ridiculous places, to be placed in places that give incentive to kill the mobs.

Because it's new and people are running it constantly specifically to farm gear.

Join a team that's actually working on the full Trial if you want that experience. The incentive to kill mobs is that you miss out on score and achievements if you skip them.

Thank you captain obvious. Doesn't change the fact that people are running vSS 'chest farms'. I have no issue with it, it is an exploit, the problem is, when this is normalised, the chances of finding any group wanting to run it properly is near zero, and to be honest, I have no incentive to run it properly either.

code65536 wrote: »

They should get rid of all the chests located between the two dragons. Place them in the empty hallway before Nahvintaas. That way chests are (1) not hidden (Maw-style) (2) locked behind the killing of both Lokkestiiz and Yolnahkriin. And then making the chests drop perfected gear on vet becomes a bit more sensible.

Agreed, something where the chests are placed behind doing content. I'd say mobs rather than bosses, if it was placed at dragons people can still skip content. Or have the chests appear at dragons, based on mobs killed. If you only kill half the mobs, you only get half the chests.

zaria

irswat wrote: »

also give us portals @ZOS_Finn On the public server I reported this as an issue, and if I recall you said trials never have portals after boss fights...vAA, vMoL, vHoF, vHRC, vSO, they all use portals. If this is a 'full' trial, and the speed run being 30 minutes as opposed to 15 minutes suggests it is a full trial, then can we please have portals when we kill bosses?

This, boring to wait for people who fell of edges trying to get the troll placed chests.

TelvanniWizard

code65536 wrote: »

They should get rid of all the chests located between the two dragons. Place them in the empty hallway before Nahvintaas. That way chests are (1) not hidden (Maw-style) (2) locked behind the killing of both Lokkestiiz and Yolnahkriin. And then making the chests drop perfected gear on vet becomes a bit more sensible.

This seems the best solution. Requires actually doing the trial and the chests aren´t a pain hanging on a cliff.

MartiniDaniels

Normal Sunspire feels like base game veteran dungeon. Even non-perfected false god cancels any point of sets like julianos, lokki cancels war machine and master architect, which are much harder to get, yolna kicks off the cliff any alternatives in tank's sets.
Honestly saying feels like P2W... and CR's sets though more effective "at dummy" require a lot of experience to use properly, SS's sets doesn't require anything from user.

Qbiken

I don't really see the chest farming as an exploit, but what bothers me is the fact that you get non-perfected loot from the chests on veteran.

I'm all for placing the chests so you've to kill adds to get to them, but in that case, let us get perfected loot from the chests on veteran as well.

NupidStoob

Qbiken wrote: »

I don't really see the chest farming as an exploit, but what bothers me is the fact that you get non-perfected loot from the chests on veteran.

I'm all for placing the chests so you've to kill adds to get to them, but in that case, let us get perfected loot from the chests on veteran as well.

I'm bothered that we even get perfected gear from killing bosses on simply vet~

m2rc

code65536 wrote: »

They should get rid of all the chests located between the two dragons. Place them in the empty hallway before Nahvintaas. That way chests are (1) not hidden (Maw-style) (2) locked behind the killing of both Lokkestiiz and Yolnahkriin. And then making the chests drop perfected gear on vet becomes a bit more sensible.

I agree. We need more trials like MoL, where the chests come as an additional reward after you complete the boss. Since chests have a chance of containing jewellery and weapons it makes killing the bosses that much more rewarding, because you know at the end of the fight there's gonna be some phat loot.

jazsper77

At the End of the day who cares ? You all wanna run the same trial 300 times to get your gear ?

Oh I see now , it’s the players who like to sit in zone/Guild chat linking their gear like they are special.

thorwyn

Looting all those chests without falling into the abyss is the real hardmode of this trial.

MartiniDaniels

thorwyn wrote: »

Looting all those chests without falling into the abyss is the real hardmode of this trial.

Lol, I specially put twisting path on corners to increase the challenge

code65536

zaria wrote: »

irswat wrote: »

also give us portals @ZOS_Finn On the public server I reported this as an issue, and if I recall you said trials never have portals after boss fights...vAA, vMoL, vHoF, vHRC, vSO, they all use portals. If this is a 'full' trial, and the speed run being 30 minutes as opposed to 15 minutes suggests it is a full trial, then can we please have portals when we kill bosses?

This, boring to wait for people who fell of edges trying to get the troll placed chests.

You don't need portals in Sunspire. Whenever someone enters combat with a boss, anyone who is not at that boss is teleported to the boss. So we'll just tell someone to hang out in the lobby area, and we'll pull and they'll immediately join us.

wishlist14

I love this trial and finally feel like I can now keep improving to get to end game...meaning vet. First few pugs we did all bosses and chests aswell as heavy sacks lol We had fun, people were making jks me included...having a laugh inbetween bosses. The last trial i did 2 people couldn't get back to us after they fell offf a cliff....so we all suicide by jumping in oil and get rezzed ...i guess it was someone's idea to get these 2 players back in idk anyway....the tank left then 5 people left. End of trial after just first boss. I did tell them that players get rezzed once next boss is started but they didnt listen i guess.

I hope players aren't going to dis the bosses and just do chests how boring,..i love doing the bosses and i want the practice before i move onto vets.

OrphanHelgen

I don't like the skipping either, it's awkward. If this is intended in sunspire, I think it's poor designed. If it's not intended, it's also poor designed.

Jacozilla

At recent posters above ^^ - do you not read patch notes? Chests only spawn now after one of the dragon is killed. No more skip and loot as of last Mon patch.

XiDiabolismiX

Are you serious? I’m not sure where you’re getting your groups for this content but it sounds like you’re RP’ing in The Rift or something.

There is absolutely no reason to run this trial on normal or chest farm it on either normal or vet. Why would groups want to farm imperfect gear when any half competent group can farm for perfect gear on vet?

siddique

1024 more Magicka is what you get from the perfect gear, after killing 100 million health dragons, no thank you.

wishlist14

Jacozilla wrote: »

At recent posters above ^^ - do you not read patch notes? Chests only spawn now after one of the dragon is killed. No more skip and loot as of last Mon patch.

Ok thank you for informing us about that. No I did not read that bit obviously but thanks.