How are Mag sorcs now in pvp

Illuvatarr

Haven’t been able to play elsewyr due to traveling etc.

Class go fubar or still doing well in pvp?

Insco851

Can’t imagine the class that didn’t get nerfed go from broken to fubar.

Cortimi

Only class that NEEDS the nerf hammer but got buffed instead.

Emma_Overload

Feels decent. Finally.

Anyron

Cortimi wrote: »

Only class that NEEDS the nerf hammer but got buffed instead.

yup "buffed" with 20% less hardened ward shield strengh

katorga

Anyron wrote: »

Cortimi wrote: »

Only class that NEEDS the nerf hammer but got buffed instead.

yup "buffed" with 20% less hardened ward shield strengh

Losing major protection from resto ultimate is the worst nerf for me, personally. Very damaging.

Changes to other classes have had more impact on me than direct changes to my class.

I use 1 shield, it seems roughly the same. 20% less means really no change based on health caps.

Icy_Waffles

Seems about the same to me. I run twilight for the heal, but I do not cheese with necro the scamp and the daedroth haha so for me it seems about the same.

Illuvatarr

Decent is good. Pets too strong. Still want them one barred. That would be great.

JumpmanLane

As a MagDk fighting magsorcs 1v1 is ok-ish. Wings was definitely nerfed 1v1.

I can put enough damage on them to have them streak away. But I can’t 1v2 2 sorcs.I’d get blown up lol. Which sucks because I generally could 1v2 most classes.

lucky_Sage

JumpmanLane wrote: »

As a MagDk fighting magsorcs 1v1 is ok-ish. Wings was definitely nerfed 1v1.

I can put enough damage on them to have them streak away. But I can’t 1v2 2 sorcs.I’d get blown up lol. Which sucks because I generally could 1v2 most classes.

Wings is bad now. Only reason to slot is for snare and root immune

JumpmanLane

lucky_Sage wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

As a MagDk fighting magsorcs 1v1 is ok-ish. Wings was definitely nerfed 1v1.

I can put enough damage on them to have them streak away. But I can’t 1v2 2 sorcs.I’d get blown up lol. Which sucks because I generally could 1v2 most classes.

Wings is bad now. Only reason to slot is for snare and root immune

I agree. They are noticeably useless even while being bombarded by multiple targets. Whether PvP or PvE, 4 projectiles over 6 seconds wasn’t op. 4 reflections helped ease the pressure some from multiple ranged projectiles. Ah well ...

Anyron

JumpmanLane wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

As a MagDk fighting magsorcs 1v1 is ok-ish. Wings was definitely nerfed 1v1.

I can put enough damage on them to have them streak away. But I can’t 1v2 2 sorcs.I’d get blown up lol. Which sucks because I generally could 1v2 most classes.

Wings is bad now. Only reason to slot is for snare and root immune

I agree. They are noticeably useless even while being bombarded by multiple targets. Whether PvP or PvE, 4 projectiles over 6 seconds wasn’t op. 4 reflections helped ease the pressure some from multiple ranged projectiles. Ah well ...

4 projectiles doesnt seems to be OP. But when fighting 1v1 it isnt hard to have it up almost always. That made DKs strong , because to his/her damage was added also reflected.

lucky_Sage

Anyron wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

As a MagDk fighting magsorcs 1v1 is ok-ish. Wings was definitely nerfed 1v1.

I can put enough damage on them to have them streak away. But I can’t 1v2 2 sorcs.I’d get blown up lol. Which sucks because I generally could 1v2 most classes.

Wings is bad now. Only reason to slot is for snare and root immune

I agree. They are noticeably useless even while being bombarded by multiple targets. Whether PvP or PvE, 4 projectiles over 6 seconds wasn’t op. 4 reflections helped ease the pressure some from multiple ranged projectiles. Ah well ...

4 projectiles doesnt seems to be OP. But when fighting 1v1 it isnt hard to have it up almost always. That made DKs strong , because to his/her damage was added also reflected.

But if you payed attention. Any class could time a cc and burst right when wings where gone just had to be more patient not just throw you burst out when ever you wanted. But it’s to late now another class defining ability gutted.

david_m_18b16_ESO

Insco851 wrote: »

Can’t imagine the class that didn’t get nerfed go from broken to fubar.

Pet got nerfed and crystal frag got a tiny minor nerf for burst.

TheYKcid

lucky_Sage wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

As a MagDk fighting magsorcs 1v1 is ok-ish. Wings was definitely nerfed 1v1.

I can put enough damage on them to have them streak away. But I can’t 1v2 2 sorcs.I’d get blown up lol. Which sucks because I generally could 1v2 most classes.

Wings is bad now. Only reason to slot is for snare and root immune

I agree. They are noticeably useless even while being bombarded by multiple targets. Whether PvP or PvE, 4 projectiles over 6 seconds wasn’t op. 4 reflections helped ease the pressure some from multiple ranged projectiles. Ah well ...

4 projectiles doesnt seems to be OP. But when fighting 1v1 it isnt hard to have it up almost always. That made DKs strong , because to his/her damage was added also reflected.

But if you payed attention. Any class could time a cc and burst right when wings where gone just had to be more patient not just throw you burst out when ever you wanted. But it’s to late now another class defining ability gutted.

If you paid* attention you wouldn't have let the old wings drop, genius.

It took far fewer GCDs to cast wings than it did to deplete them.

lucky_Sage

TheYKcid wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

As a MagDk fighting magsorcs 1v1 is ok-ish. Wings was definitely nerfed 1v1.

I can put enough damage on them to have them streak away. But I can’t 1v2 2 sorcs.I’d get blown up lol. Which sucks because I generally could 1v2 most classes.

Wings is bad now. Only reason to slot is for snare and root immune

I agree. They are noticeably useless even while being bombarded by multiple targets. Whether PvP or PvE, 4 projectiles over 6 seconds wasn’t op. 4 reflections helped ease the pressure some from multiple ranged projectiles. Ah well ...

4 projectiles doesnt seems to be OP. But when fighting 1v1 it isnt hard to have it up almost always. That made DKs strong , because to his/her damage was added also reflected.

But if you payed attention. Any class could time a cc and burst right when wings where gone just had to be more patient not just throw you burst out when ever you wanted. But it’s to late now another class defining ability gutted.

If you paid* attention you wouldn't have let the old wings drop, genius.

It took far fewer GCDs to cast wings than it did to deplete them.

Other than 1v1 wings isn’t possible to keep up 100%

david_m_18b16_ESO

lucky_Sage wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

As a MagDk fighting magsorcs 1v1 is ok-ish. Wings was definitely nerfed 1v1.

I can put enough damage on them to have them streak away. But I can’t 1v2 2 sorcs.I’d get blown up lol. Which sucks because I generally could 1v2 most classes.

Wings is bad now. Only reason to slot is for snare and root immune

I agree. They are noticeably useless even while being bombarded by multiple targets. Whether PvP or PvE, 4 projectiles over 6 seconds wasn’t op. 4 reflections helped ease the pressure some from multiple ranged projectiles. Ah well ...

4 projectiles doesnt seems to be OP. But when fighting 1v1 it isnt hard to have it up almost always. That made DKs strong , because to his/her damage was added also reflected.

But if you payed attention. Any class could time a cc and burst right when wings where gone just had to be more patient not just throw you burst out when ever you wanted. But it’s to late now another class defining ability gutted.

If it has a CD it would have been that way but the way ESO works you could cast it 2-3 times in a row. Wings giving 4sec to reliveve pressure was fine. But you could buy yourself 8-12second of free time while yourself you can still deal damage.

Asking poeple to run in circle for 8-12 second and call it balanced is delusional. Now its serve its purpose. You gain snare immunity and lower the pressure on yourself.

There is a reason not a single multi player game had an ability like ESO DK wings without a CD.

Derra

JumpmanLane wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

As a MagDk fighting magsorcs 1v1 is ok-ish. Wings was definitely nerfed 1v1.

I can put enough damage on them to have them streak away. But I can’t 1v2 2 sorcs.I’d get blown up lol. Which sucks because I generally could 1v2 most classes.

Wings is bad now. Only reason to slot is for snare and root immune

I agree. They are noticeably useless even while being bombarded by multiple targets. Whether PvP or PvE, 4 projectiles over 6 seconds wasn’t op. 4 reflections helped ease the pressure some from multiple ranged projectiles. Ah well ...

they should have made it deflect everything more than 10m away for the full 6s.

which would have wonderfully balanced it with dk being a melee dmg class.

Illuvatarr

Old wings was fine....just should not have worked in melee range. I think this may work out to be a major buff once dks wrap their heads around how to use properly.

bardx86

DK's are completely OP now. A group of 4 DK's just rekt *** in BGs.

Lord-Otto

What happened?

SupremeRissole

broken

StShoot

bardx86 wrote: »

DK's are completely OP now. A group of 4 DK's just rekt *** in BGs.

Well i guess you never saw a group of 4 pet sorcs than, or stamdens, or in generel every premade group that nows how to time their skills /Ultimates, facing of against a dk only premade is actual realy nice,because they support is pretty bad.

To the question of the OP, sorcs are realy strong atm, IF you play them with pets ( i know some sorcs dont like those pets), without pets they are meeh, not bad but also not incredible stong

ku5h

katorga wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Cortimi wrote: »

Only class that NEEDS the nerf hammer but got buffed instead.

yup "buffed" with 20% less hardened ward shield strengh

Losing major protection from resto ultimate is the worst nerf for me, personally. Very damaging.

Changes to other classes have had more impact on me than direct changes to my class.

I use 1 shield, it seems roughly the same. 20% less means really no change based on health caps.

Well, I lost 2k on my Ward in PvP, so yea...

bardx86

ku5h wrote: »

katorga wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Cortimi wrote: »

Only class that NEEDS the nerf hammer but got buffed instead.

yup "buffed" with 20% less hardened ward shield strengh

Losing major protection from resto ultimate is the worst nerf for me, personally. Very damaging.

Changes to other classes have had more impact on me than direct changes to my class.

I use 1 shield, it seems roughly the same. 20% less means really no change based on health caps.

Well, I lost 2k on my Ward in PvP, so yea...

Ya shields are a bit meh now. Even with high resist they still get cut thru like stinky cheese.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Without pets, they are a watered down version of their former selves. They can still nuke an unsuspecting pug in about 3 seconds, and shields still work reasonably well for defense assuming you arent outnumbered, but they are in no way overpowered, and you will struggle to kill a tanky build.

With pets, they are definitely strong, but their skill bar gets very tight and limited. Pets give pretty good pressure and heals, but they have their own drawbacks. I despise playing a double pet build if I am being honest. It's a bit of a double edged sword. I hate that they take two bars to slot, but they are certainly stronger than a typical skill. If they were changed to one bar, they would have to be nerfed, but not sure I trust that to happen in a good way.

As someone that plays a fair amount of 0-pet and 1- pet sorc PVP, I cant sit here and say they are wildly underpowered, but not a huge fan of the direction the class has taken, that of pets being essentially mandatory.

Icarus42

I can still get around pretty well without pets. Its hard against the heavy armour builds though where they can absorb most of your damage then three shot, ulti you.. very hard to pressure decent heavy armour builds without pets. However I built for high mobility i.e (boundless, streak) which Msorc is still pretty good at as long as you built in enough sustain.. you can maneuver around them and drop atronach until you can get some help.

Like someone mentioned above however Msorc is a shadow of their former selves. Shields feel mostly like cosmetic quality of life ornaments right now which is why most people are opting for the twilight heal, it is just easier I suppose. It certainly does feel like zos wants all sorcs to run the same build lol. But if you don't run pets duel shield is still ok or just build for more heals from other sources.. Sets like bloodspawn are pretty bis right now also.

No huge nerfs this patch which is good to give some time to find a build and playstyle to your liking. Petsorc I believe is pretty top tier right ( although super cheese IMO) now am also beginning to think DK's are in a really good spot, but that is another story.

Overall Msorc not in a bad spot right now imo..

bardx86

Shields blow now.

Emma_Overload

I've found only TWO effective strategies for applying pressure with my Sorc this patch: 1) pets and 2) penetration. 15k is really the bare minimum now, 20k spell penetration feels a lot better. If you go with pets, the Tormentor is better than the Matriarch, but then you need to slot the Resto staff.

Ideally, you want to pressure them so continuously that you rarely need to pop your own shield. Easier said than done!

bardx86

Emma_Overload wrote: »

I've found only TWO effective strategies for applying pressure with my Sorc this patch: 1) pets and 2) penetration. 15k is really the bare minimum now, 20k spell penetration feels a lot better. If you go with pets, the Tormentor is better than the Matriarch, but then you need to slot the Resto staff.

Ideally, you want to pressure them so continuously that you rarely need to pop your own shield. Easier said than done!

How are you getting 20K pen? I can't get over 18K.

Mitaka211

absurd and easy to play as usual