What are everyone's experiences so far?
So my damage has dropped noticeably across the board, combination of Cammoran Throne nerf & skill nerfs. I've tested replacing Surprise attack with the Psijic Order Crushing Weapon skill, with the reworked 2-handed Brawler (shield) morph, and Power Extraction. The former two were both not effective. Power Extraction is quite nuts, AOE with only 500 less tooltip damage than Surprise Attack. However also more expensive which is important in no-CP, and its still a little bit less damage and every bit counts.
Replaced Incap with Dawnbreaker and its awesome. I've been using Phantasmal Escape as a snare/root breaker so I could get the Rally morph for more healing, but still in debate about this. The high magicka cost of Phantasmal Escape means I can't really use it on demand as often as I'd like and it eats into cloak availability.
Overall after shuffling skills my performance in BG's is similar to before the patch in terms of damage/kills, but I also die more often probably due to all the buffed AOE.
take a fringe battleground class and rip its teeth out - that's your stamblade today.
no bark and no bite.
I've removed relentless completely from the bar. dropped surprise attack as well after it did zippo to secure kills. i'm down to opening a target with PI on master's bow, dodge roll for woodelf passives, ambush for minor vuln then cloak into a dizzy swing dawnbreaker/soul harvest with a reverse slice if needed.
it's bad. these are dark days.
but hey - i hear you can put sword and board on your nightblade and be amazing. haven't seen it yet in bg's, but i have heard about it.
Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Man, I always wonder how classes without an original spammable, burst skill, real gap closer, ultimate and a *** load of buffs/ debuffs (including some unnamed ones) do PvP these days...
Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Man, I always wonder how classes without an original spammable, burst skill, real gap closer, ultimate and a *** load of buffs/ debuffs (including some unnamed ones) do PvP these days...
spammable - rend slash, reverse slice, ransack, wrecking blow, heroic slash, crushing weapon. i.e. - no class original needed
burst skill - wrecking blow, reverse slice, executioner, spin 2 win. i.e. no class original needed.
gap closer - crit rush, shield assault, stampede. i.e. no class original needed
ultimate - dawnbreaker????? seriously?
load of buffs/debuffs: you mean the load that just got nerfed? fracture, beserk, defile??
templar, warden, dk, and sorc: all have 20+ second major ward buff easily applied. NB - needs to wear 5 heavy and use a shadow ability to get 13 seconds.
nb was a fringe class in structured pvp. it's one defining feature - rogue burst - just got nerfed into the ground.
The talk now is heavy armor sword and board nightblades. and admittedly - it's strong survival wise. really strong, if you can keep that 13 second 4K magicka ability up. You can play the class and do fine in pvp. but it was neutered hard. adapt and overcome, just don't deny.
Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Man, I always wonder how classes without an original spammable, burst skill, real gap closer, ultimate and a *** load of buffs/ debuffs (including some unnamed ones) do PvP these days...
spammable - rend slash, reverse slice, ransack, wrecking blow, heroic slash, crushing weapon. i.e. - no class original needed
burst skill - wrecking blow, reverse slice, executioner, spin 2 win. i.e. no class original needed.
gap closer - crit rush, shield assault, stampede. i.e. no class original needed
ultimate - dawnbreaker????? seriously?
load of buffs/debuffs: you mean the load that just got nerfed? fracture, beserk, defile??
templar, warden, dk, and sorc: all have 20+ second major ward buff easily applied. NB - needs to wear 5 heavy and use a shadow ability to get 13 seconds.
nb was a fringe class in structured pvp. it's one defining feature - rogue burst - just got nerfed into the ground.
The talk now is heavy armor sword and board nightblades. and admittedly - it's strong survival wise. really strong, if you can keep that 13 second 4K magicka ability up. You can play the class and do fine in pvp. but it was neutered hard. adapt and overcome, just don't deny.
well you kept the 5% armor debuff that I heard works even when facing targets. Not to mention stacks with major/minor sources, of which NB still has on a free cast spell similar to ele drain (minus sustain).
ill trade you major evasion/multiple CP star reduced punc.sweeps for SA lol.
killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Man, I always wonder how classes without an original spammable, burst skill, real gap closer, ultimate and a *** load of buffs/ debuffs (including some unnamed ones) do PvP these days...
spammable - rend slash, reverse slice, ransack, wrecking blow, heroic slash, crushing weapon. i.e. - no class original needed
burst skill - wrecking blow, reverse slice, executioner, spin 2 win. i.e. no class original needed.
gap closer - crit rush, shield assault, stampede. i.e. no class original needed
ultimate - dawnbreaker????? seriously?
load of buffs/debuffs: you mean the load that just got nerfed? fracture, beserk, defile??
templar, warden, dk, and sorc: all have 20+ second major ward buff easily applied. NB - needs to wear 5 heavy and use a shadow ability to get 13 seconds.
nb was a fringe class in structured pvp. it's one defining feature - rogue burst - just got nerfed into the ground.
The talk now is heavy armor sword and board nightblades. and admittedly - it's strong survival wise. really strong, if you can keep that 13 second 4K magicka ability up. You can play the class and do fine in pvp. but it was neutered hard. adapt and overcome, just don't deny.
well you kept the 5% armor debuff that I heard works even when facing targets. Not to mention stacks with major/minor sources, of which NB still has on a free cast spell similar to ele drain (minus sustain).
ill trade you major evasion/multiple CP star reduced punc.sweeps for SA lol.
It's hard to find a place for mark target unelss you run with a group,anyway he is just exaggerating is not like the class is unpleyable lol,the class changed is not better than before or much weaker just different.
SA only work when behind or flanking from my expirience.I did read read it about it too on the pts forum maybe as bugged there and got fixed?
SA could have been stealth changed. Which is good too, because 5% armor debuff is really strong lol.
deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »
Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Man, I always wonder how classes without an original spammable, burst skill, real gap closer, ultimate and a *** load of buffs/ debuffs (including some unnamed ones) do PvP these days...
spammable - rend slash, reverse slice, ransack, wrecking blow, heroic slash, crushing weapon. i.e. - no class original needed
burst skill - wrecking blow, reverse slice, executioner, spin 2 win. i.e. no class original needed.
gap closer - crit rush, shield assault, stampede. i.e. no class original needed
ultimate - dawnbreaker????? seriously?
load of buffs/debuffs: you mean the load that just got nerfed? fracture, beserk, defile??
templar, warden, dk, and sorc: all have 20+ second major ward buff easily applied. NB - needs to wear 5 heavy and use a shadow ability to get 13 seconds.
nb was a fringe class in structured pvp. it's one defining feature - rogue burst - just got nerfed into the ground.
The talk now is heavy armor sword and board nightblades. and admittedly - it's strong survival wise. really strong, if you can keep that 13 second 4K magicka ability up. You can play the class and do fine in pvp. but it was neutered hard. adapt and overcome, just don't deny.
Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Man, I always wonder how classes without an original spammable, burst skill, real gap closer, ultimate and a *** load of buffs/ debuffs (including some unnamed ones) do PvP these days...
spammable - rend slash, reverse slice, ransack, wrecking blow, heroic slash, crushing weapon. i.e. - no class original needed
burst skill - wrecking blow, reverse slice, executioner, spin 2 win. i.e. no class original needed.
gap closer - crit rush, shield assault, stampede. i.e. no class original needed
ultimate - dawnbreaker????? seriously?
load of buffs/debuffs: you mean the load that just got nerfed? fracture, beserk, defile??
templar, warden, dk, and sorc: all have 20+ second major ward buff easily applied. NB - needs to wear 5 heavy and use a shadow ability to get 13 seconds.
nb was a fringe class in structured pvp. it's one defining feature - rogue burst - just got nerfed into the ground.
The talk now is heavy armor sword and board nightblades. and admittedly - it's strong survival wise. really strong, if you can keep that 13 second 4K magicka ability up. You can play the class and do fine in pvp. but it was neutered hard. adapt and overcome, just don't deny.
Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Man, I always wonder how classes without an original spammable, burst skill, real gap closer, ultimate and a *** load of buffs/ debuffs (including some unnamed ones) do PvP these days...
spammable - rend slash, reverse slice, ransack, wrecking blow, heroic slash, crushing weapon. i.e. - no class original needed
burst skill - wrecking blow, reverse slice, executioner, spin 2 win. i.e. no class original needed.
gap closer - crit rush, shield assault, stampede. i.e. no class original needed
ultimate - dawnbreaker????? seriously?
load of buffs/debuffs: you mean the load that just got nerfed? fracture, beserk, defile??
templar, warden, dk, and sorc: all have 20+ second major ward buff easily applied. NB - needs to wear 5 heavy and use a shadow ability to get 13 seconds.
nb was a fringe class in structured pvp. it's one defining feature - rogue burst - just got nerfed into the ground.
The talk now is heavy armor sword and board nightblades. and admittedly - it's strong survival wise. really strong, if you can keep that 13 second 4K magicka ability up. You can play the class and do fine in pvp. but it was neutered hard. adapt and overcome, just don't deny.
Are you the dude who pvp’s with a lot of characters? Think I see you in BGs on PC-NA in the mornings a lot running different characters through BGs.
cooper336b14_ESO wrote: »My bow build took a major nerf, i adapted and can still snipe kill but it takes alot more work. Im still hitting 5700 weapon power and 7k armor pen. Can kill almost anything in 3 shots with spam snipe. The problem is killing people actively healing or blocking. tempted to put away velidreth and molag for slimecraw to get the 8% back. Currently going full physcial dmg. Using Twice Born for warrior and lord, with full Automatons set in Divines.
skill bar is all fighter guild abilities with snipe as only real skill on bar, and dawn for ultimate. 2 hand buff / heal on back bar.
glass cannon build for sure. Any thoughts let me know.
Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Man, I always wonder how classes without an original spammable, burst skill, real gap closer, ultimate and a *** load of buffs/ debuffs (including some unnamed ones) do PvP these days...
spammable - rend slash, reverse slice, ransack, wrecking blow, heroic slash, crushing weapon. i.e. - no class original needed
burst skill - wrecking blow, reverse slice, executioner, spin 2 win. i.e. no class original needed.
gap closer - crit rush, shield assault, stampede. i.e. no class original needed
ultimate - dawnbreaker????? seriously?
load of buffs/debuffs: you mean the load that just got nerfed? fracture, beserk, defile??
templar, warden, dk, and sorc: all have 20+ second major ward buff easily applied. NB - needs to wear 5 heavy and use a shadow ability to get 13 seconds.
nb was a fringe class in structured pvp. it's one defining feature - rogue burst - just got nerfed into the ground.
The talk now is heavy armor sword and board nightblades. and admittedly - it's strong survival wise. really strong, if you can keep that 13 second 4K magicka ability up. You can play the class and do fine in pvp. but it was neutered hard. adapt and overcome, just don't deny.
Are you the dude who pvp’s with a lot of characters? Think I see you in BGs on PC-NA in the mornings a lot running different characters through BGs.
You should check his twitch out: MursieFTW
Haven't tried it, but I'll be running my NB like a DK. Sword and board, 7th Legion, Fury. Build up stacks of relentless for the 15% damage mitigation, keep up mirage for the minor resolve/ward, once 7th and ultimate is ready... pierce armor > reverb > Inacp > assassin's scourge > executioner.
Haven't tried it, but I'll be running my NB like a DK. Sword and board, 7th Legion, Fury. Build up stacks of relentless for the 15% damage mitigation, keep up mirage for the minor resolve/ward, once 7th and ultimate is ready... pierce armor > reverb > Inacp > assassin's scourge > executioner.
Haven't tried it, but I'll be running my NB like a DK. Sword and board, 7th Legion, Fury. Build up stacks of relentless for the 15% damage mitigation, keep up mirage for the minor resolve/ward, once 7th and ultimate is ready... pierce armor > reverb > Inacp > assassin's scourge > executioner.
I tried this before the patch but to say it wasn't a success is an understatement. I don't really see the 15% relentless bonus suddenly make it viable. Could just be me though. Apparently going stereotypical nightblade with the go-to medium armor damage sets and then sword and board is amazing, but I like my 2-hander too much to try it.
Royalthought wrote: »I often wonder..
Why werent we telling people asking for nerfs to adapt?
Who are these players that couldnt kill nightblades and desperately needed Zos to nerf the class?
It makes no sense to claim nightblades were so strong that they needed to be nerfed. Yet they need to adapt? Adapting too well is what got them nerfed.
first off the changes are meh, I still see alot of viability in my NB, what I dont understand is how they nerfed the living *** out of the damage but kept perma cloaking viable. i've been s&b/2h dark cloak brawling ever since I made my blade but i've NEVER heard complaints about me, it's always the 'cloaks-all-day-long' type of NB's that get the hate.
I havent been ganked in ages outside of an onslaught gank, even on my main medium 2h/bow stamsorc with 18k resistances. Did the changes aim for them to become just a nuisance?
idk, tbh.