I have 15 Chars, 5 AD, 5 DC, 5 EP. TWO LOCKED 30 Day Campaigns!?!?

Olupajmibanan

Why it couldn't just lock my entire account into one Alliance?
I mean, I lock my campaign as DC on 30-day non-CP. But then I can freely join with any of my characters (be it EP, AD or DC), but I will be fighting for DC only.

jcm2606 wrote: »

The better alternative would have been a soft auto faction change upon entering a campaign. When you first enter a campaign, you will be asked which alliance you wish to fight for, and any and every character you have, regardless of their actual alliance, will be put into the alliance you chose.

Chose EP? If you queue as an EP, you go to EP. If you queue as a DC, you go to EP. If you queue as an AD, you go to EP.

Exactly my feelings.

Beardimus

OnlyOnThursday wrote: »

I don't care if you're pro faction lock, or against it. But this SUCKS. I can no longer get my monthly allotment of transmutes. I can play 5 toons in a No CP campaign, and 5 in a CP, but I cannot play the other alliance AT ALL?!?

When I started this game I didn't have Any Race Any Alliance yet, I picked races based on the meta at the time, and I got stuck with alliances I don't necessarily enjoy. But these are my main toons.

So I made alternate toons on the alliances I liked, so I could play with my friends, but now my mains are effectively locked out of Cyrodil.

The 7 day campaign is a friggin joke.

Please explain to me why this makes any sense?!?

If all you want is stones, play the 7 day 4 times....its not hard. And riddle me this, is Cyrodiil being packed full of people just for stones a good thing for quality PvP anyway? I digress...

If players changed their behaviour, the change curve would be alot shallower. The change has many benefits and folks can do what they were with some adaption.
Adapt.

zaria

I only have AD, planed to make necro EP because i'm in an awesome guild but they are EP.

Why don't have the lockout last 20 hours? Same as daily random dungeon / BG and horse trading?

This would prevent jumping just as well, that is outside of the one there you look at the map and go for another faction who I suspect is not the problem.

But it will make it easier to play with guilds

rumple9

Basically now I won't play cyro all month until the last day of the campaign then play with my toons which are on the winning faction to get the champions end of campaign lewt

I suspect a lot will do this and cyro will be largely empty for 29 days

cyberjanet

Yep, we need more campaigns. Three factions don't fit into two campaigns. I would suggest at least three CP and three Non CP 30-day campaigns, so one can fit it in all your characters across three factions.

That should reduce the load on Cyrodiil as well, and the resultant lag.

Everything gets nerfed because it's too strong in PvP. So give the PvP players more campaigns.

SoLooney

At least sell us faction changes zos, cause I too have 5 in each faction and missing tier 1 one at least 5 toons is a big loss

Cously

The system can be improved by removing factions from character creator. Allow people to choose their origin story (Base game starter island, Morrowind, Summerset, Elsweyr, etc). Then for those who would like to join AvA they can pick a campaign and declare for a faction for 30 days. It makes more sense we are mercenaries for hire than alliance loyalists...AD and EP zones have quests making me kill my DC brethen, that is dumb.

cyberjanet

Cously wrote: »

The system can be improved by removing factions from character creator. Allow people to choose their origin story (Base game starter island, Morrowind, Summerset, Elsweyr, etc). Then for those who would like to join AvA they can pick a campaign and declare for a faction for 30 days. It makes more sense we are mercenaries for hire than alliance loyalists...AD and EP zones have quests making me kill my DC brethen, that is dumb.

THIS! What a great idea.

Feanor

I don’t care about end of campaign rewards or Transmutation geodes at all. What I care about though is that there isn’t a noCP campaign without faction lock, and thus all my AD characters would now be forced to play in IC (which I hate) or CP PvP (which sucks on so many levels). It’s a badly designed change for those with more than one alliance character.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

therift wrote: »

Thank Stendarr ZoS listened to reason and brought faction locks back to a few campaigns. There have been numerous requests and debates over the years. Finally, with Update 18 (Summerset), ZoS hinted that they would watch the alleged faction-hopping abuses and take action, if necessary.

And wow, and abuses there were over the past year. Numerous videos. Many player reports. A number of players disciplined (so we heard). All due to the ability to switch factions simply by switching characters.

And ZoS' action is quite reasonable. Instead of universal faction locks like back in the day, ZoS locked the only campaigns that mattered for scoring end rewards. Players who want to play with friends on various alliances can do so. Players who want protection from faction-hopping abuses now have that option.

Everybody wins, and there is no cause for complaints.

AMEN.

Death to Aldmeri turncoats.

Kadoin

ZOS was warned about how dumb the faction lock idea was, but they catered to players that would rather have gone back instead of forward. Well that, or it was the easiest way out...Either way, the show is only beginning Wait until the PvP population falls off because one faction has a massive numerical advantage...

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

FierceSam wrote: »

Because PvP

OP is right, this sucks.

It also sucks that my Breton can’t do Cyrodiil with my AD guild despite having the any race any alliance thing

Hold a sec. Any Race any Alliance is that you can pick an alliance and play all races. Not pick a race and try to play on all alliances.

This game "end game" was designed to be Cyrodiil and AvA. Alliance does matter, always did and always do.
If you want to play Breton having the Race/Alliance unlock, nothing stopping you to make an AD Breton. Or better, join a Covenant guild.

Hamish999

Go play on the 7 day campaign on your 3rd alliance. You will only take a small hit to your total with the 10 transmutes a week that it offers.

Edit: in fact you could play all 3 alliances on the 7 day campaign as it isn't alliance locked at all.

2nd edit: I forgot that zerglings can't do the small group PvP that usually takes place in the quieter 7 day campaign

Uryel

I don't play PvP. I simply hate PvP with a passion. I hate how every change in this game is made for PvP and screws us PvE small group people.

And still, I think this lock thing is an absurdity that should be burned at the stake.

Tonnopesce

This looks only like a farming problem not actually a bad decision from zos.
Set a faction into no CP and a faction in IC getting to tier 3 is pretty easy even in low pop scenarios and it should solve your farming issue.

Now if it was "i cannot find good fights" it will be different and my opinion will slightly change.

Uryel

jcm2606 wrote: »

The better alternative would have been a soft auto faction change upon entering a campaign. When you first enter a campaign, you will be asked which alliance you wish to fight for, and any and every character you have, regardless of their actual alliance, will be put into the alliance you chose.

Chose EP? If you queue as an EP, you go to EP. If you queue as a DC, you go to EP. If you queue as an AD, you go to EP.

But... But how would they sell the any race any alliance pack to PvP folks then ?

Yes, your solution is brilliant... But it's bad for the bottom line.

VioletVience

I have only 2 AD chars. Alliance-lock is fine.

Feanor

VioletVience wrote: »

I have only 2 AD chars. Alliance-lock is fine.

That’s like saying „I don’t go into forests. Burning them down is fine.“

randomkeyhits

Always felt the faction lock should have been at the account level.

So it doesn't matter which race or default alliance your characters are, they all are able to play for the faction you are bound to for that campaign.

Olupajmibanan

Tonnopesce wrote: »

This looks only like a farming problem not actually a bad decision from zos.
Set a faction into no CP and a faction in IC getting to tier 3 is pretty easy even in low pop scenarios and it should solve your farming issue.

Now if it was "i cannot find good fights" it will be different and my opinion will slightly change.

Wait, playing in new IC contributes towards your end of campaign reward tier?

Let's say I set Bahlokdaan as my home campaign on 1 EP character and 1 AD character. Then I faction lock Bahlokdaan to EP. Then I play no-CP IC with my AD character. Will my AD character Alliance Points gains in IC contribute towards end of campaign reward tier?

Aurielle

Kadoin wrote: »

ZOS was warned about how dumb the faction lock idea was, but they catered to players that would rather have gone back instead of forward. Well that, or it was the easiest way out...Either way, the show is only beginning Wait until the PvP population falls off because one faction has a massive numerical advantage...

Yeah... at prime time on Vivec, each alliance has three bars and is pop-locked. I really don’t think population imbalance is going to be an issue.

SydneyGrey

This sucks when you're just trying to get Vigor/Caltrops on your alts and hate Battlegrounds (or just don't want to do it). Basically they're forcing people to play either Battlegrounds to do that, or use the 7-day campaigns (which might be empty).

agegarton

OnlyOnThursday wrote: »

I don't care if you're pro faction lock, or against it. But this SUCKS. I can no longer get my monthly allotment of transmutes. I can play 5 toons in a No CP campaign, and 5 in a CP, but I cannot play the other alliance AT ALL?!?

When I started this game I didn't have Any Race Any Alliance yet, I picked races based on the meta at the time, and I got stuck with alliances I don't necessarily enjoy. But these are my main toons.

So I made alternate toons on the alliances I liked, so I could play with my friends, but now my mains are effectively locked out of Cyrodil.

The 7 day campaign is a friggin joke.

Please explain to me why this makes any sense?!?

Hopefully now that campaigns are alliance-locked, ZoS will look seriously at Alliance Change tokens. Lots of players - like me - have characters they want to retain, but they want to play them in a different Alliance from the one they started with. After the beta, most of my characters were Daggerfall. In recent years most of my friends are Aldmeri. I'm happy with alliance-locked campaigns - but let me move my toons to the right alliance please!!

(And to those who will inevitable say "start a new character" - I don't want to (I have plenty, thanks). I want to retain the characters I have in a useful way. It's really that simple).

Tonnopesce

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

This looks only like a farming problem not actually a bad decision from zos.
Set a faction into no CP and a faction in IC getting to tier 3 is pretty easy even in low pop scenarios and it should solve your farming issue.

Now if it was "i cannot find good fights" it will be different and my opinion will slightly change.

Wait, playing in new IC contributes towards your end of campaign reward tier?

Let's say I set Bahlokdaan as my home campaign on 1 EP character and 1 AD character. Then I faction lock Bahlokdaan to EP. Then I play no-CP IC with my AD character. Will my AD character Alliance Points gains in IC contribute towards end of campaign reward tier?

No but you will increase your tier in the campaign you set as a home and since the two 30days are locked and the seven days is meh, all it remains is IC.
Right now everything is more empty than usual since everyone is farming the necro, but give it a week and it will settle.

James-Wayne

All my characters are DC so it doesn't phase me but I'm sure the war will end soon and we lose factions and have something else.

Phoebe

I'd be totally ok with faction lock if there were Alliance Change Tokens. I created my first 4 chars, including my first warden (Redguard), before I owned "Any race, any alliance". Now she's stuck in an alliance I never want to join and don't have any friends at.

I'd also be ok with those tokens only being usable once every year or something like this to prevent abuse (which seems to be the main concern of most players against these tokens).

SiAScORCH

I love having all 10 toons on EP. This doesn't hurt me at all.

Vercingetorix

Yeah, imagine that - players can no longer cheat their way to 30-day rewards. Good riddance. Serve your faction honorably or go shove off to the pleb 7-day campaigns as traitorous slugs. Cyrodiil is finally competitive again - there's a reason to actually fight again because everyone is on a level playing field.

Vapirko

You need to transmute 15 pieces of equipment each month + all that you get from ROTWs and dungeons/trials etc? Damn. Sounds like you might wanna chill on the builds/be ok with grinding a bit.

Feanor

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Yeah, imagine that - players can no longer cheat their way to 30-day rewards. Good riddance. Serve your faction honorably or go shove off to the pleb 7-day campaigns as traitorous slugs. Cyrodiil is finally competitive again - there's a reason to actually fight again because everyone is on a level playing field.

Are you going to post this in any thread about the issue now? Repeating yourself doesn’t help the fact you miss important info. Such as there isn’t a 7 day noCP campaign.