5.0.4 - StamDK

Davadin

Zacuel wrote: »

The thought off burping on people until they die makes me want to go back to magdk lol. But if I can attain good dps without resorting to this joke meta I guess I will be okay.

Pvp is another story. Gonna be a try hard again.

I just know in a couple of weeks there will be more than a few new stamDK players that lurks the forum and slot Noxious breath WITHOUT Molten Whip and then they'll complain why their DPS is sucky.

Xvorg

Davadin wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Like there are multiple new options to use as a spammable... carve is going to be inline with most other spammables but will apply aoe bleeds, flurry has viable damage now.

exactly. and all those spammables are not DK-specific.

so why does anyone wants to be a stamDK?

Your stamDK did get buffed you're just looking in the wrong places.

no, MELEE class got buffed, StamDK is still left alone in the corner of the room like a special needs child.

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Wait why do you guys think stam DK is in a bad spot??? This class is literally king for pvp right now...

i don't think we're the kings of PvP, but honestly, we just want a label a bit better than "the tanky poison class who uses wep skill"

Abhaya wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Time to either puke myself out while slotting a skill that's used for passive, or join the merry MagDK bandwagon?

Davadin wrote: »

and using a skill only for its passive, which is completely against the intended usage.

In other words, we're adapting to a broken class with a broken set of skills.

I both laugh and cry with the stam DK community. - stamina sorcerer main for years

*waves to the special needs child at the other corner of the room*

1- The flavor of stam DK should be on its passives, that must reflect a playing style relying on weapons. Up to know there are just 2 passives in that area and one of them depends on magicka.
2- Agree
3- Well poison on a tank makes no sense. Anyone having played any ARPG or MMORPG for the last 20 years know that poison = hit and run. DK must be the only class in history that uses poison and stay... stay... stay...
4- No comments. Though I agree stamsorc needs a lot of love, this is not the place to ask for it

Anhedonie

Playing a dk in 2019 unironically LUL

Vercingetorix

I don't play DK that much in ESO, but I'm definitely in you corner that you all don't get enough love on the stamina side. I'm glad magDK got the buffs it needed, but I feel that with the Seething Fury mechanic added to Molten Whip now is the time to consider making the other morph a stamina poison whip with perhaps its own mechanic. You guys should feel like a dragon at close range, regardless of whether you are using magicka or stamina. Hopefully some changes in the future will address this - stamDK still feels and plays like the "weapon class with wings" - and that sucks.

Davadin

Xvorg wrote: »

4- No comments. Though I agree stamsorc needs a lot of love, this is not the place to ask for it

oh, now now... play nice.

this forum is the place to say it. sure, they should post their own thread, but feel free to share the same frustration here.

Abhaya

Xvorg wrote: »

It makes no sense

Abhaya wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Time to either puke myself out while slotting a skill that's used for passive, or join the merry MagDK bandwagon?

Davadin wrote: »

and using a skill only for its passive, which is completely against the intended usage.

In other words, we're adapting to a broken class with a broken set of skills.

I both laugh and cry with the stam DK community. - stamina sorcerer main for years

what about going to the stamsorc post to say that?

We all want classes to be fixed, that kind of opinion doesn't help.

The change is odd, because some years ago ZoS got rid of toggles (most of them). Even bad-but-not-so-bad Inferno was reworked into a more active skill. Now the solution to make stamDK "competitive" again is a toogle.

edit: quote

It wasn't an opinion it was a statement. I was also agreeing with the OP and can make comparisons to other classes if I want.

Abhaya

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*waves to the special needs child at the other corner of the room*[/quote]

*waves back*

Zacuel

My mom says I'm special. *Burps noxious fumes.*

Banana

Its mdk time people

Davadin

Zacuel wrote: »

My mom says I'm special. *Burps noxious fumes.*

perfect.

Banana wrote: »

Its mdk time people

my fav old skool PC game.

The_Lex

I wouldn't be surprised if we see new changes when Elsweyr drops. Not that any of those changes would be beneficial to sDK, but still.

juhislihis19

sDK king of PVP? In what regard? Dueling? The most tanky? Honestly I'd like to know.


What sDK lacks is stamina morphs and passives. DK gets nothing from slotting skills. Obnoxious Breath buff was a fix few years too late. Our 2nd stam morph is also a DOT, which I believe is still worse than Rending bleed. Yes Claw is just 800 stamina but Blood Craze is just 1600 stam, which is still very low, and gives healing.

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Like there are multiple new options to use as a spammable... carve is going to be inline with most other spammables but will apply aoe bleeds, flurry has viable damage now. Your stamDK did get buffed you're just looking in the wrong places.

Doesn't Carve bleed only apply to single target? The initial damage is cone yes, but the bleed inflicts only single target?

I have to try slot Flurry on build editor and see what's damage on it.

Davadin

Flurry getting huge buff in PTS, So dont rely on that build editor.

Carve bleed in Live now bleeds everyone it hits. It's great. can't remember how it behaves in PTS.

Flurry is only 800 but its poison damage, so the ticks get reduced by resistance. Rending's a bleed, and it bypass resistance.

I'd honestly keep Carve and adds Flurry and see how it goes.

of course, claw and nox breath will be on the 2H bar along with Molten Whip "just because".

sudaki_eso

Anhedonie wrote: »

Playing a dk in 2019 unironically LUL

A good craftsman never blames his tools

Vapirko

Hey at least you guys have more going for you than Stamina Templars.

MentalxHammer

Maybe not the best class for group play, however in duels they are on top tier along with mag sorcs.

Integral1900

When I created mine it was just so much fun, a huge burning great sword and a whole pantheon of fire skills, it was a rare fight where something didn’t get incinerated. Now I’ve got two poison skills, one of which looked like green vomit 🤮 until they made it brighter, still looks rubbish though. Poison is just such a dull effect, if you want poison go play a nightblade, the dk should be a walking inferno, stamina or magic... maybe ZOS just forgot we exist...

ESO_Nightingale

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

For every 20 lengthy Sorc discussions there is a brief DK discussion.
For every 15 lengthy NB discussions there is a brief DK discussion.
DK improvements are questionable while their nerfs are irreversable.

Then there's us wardens ignored by everyone.

Onefrkncrzypope

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

For every 20 lengthy Sorc discussions there is a brief DK discussion.
For every 15 lengthy NB discussions there is a brief DK discussion.
DK improvements are questionable while their nerfs are irreversable.

Then there's us wardens ignored by everyone.

warden... warden..... hmmmmmmm Like for a jail? are you a roleplayer lol.... sssshhhh you still have minor berserk, don't remind them.

Davadin

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

For every 20 lengthy Sorc discussions there is a brief DK discussion.
For every 15 lengthy NB discussions there is a brief DK discussion.
DK improvements are questionable while their nerfs are irreversable.

Then there's us wardens ignored by everyone.

What's Warden problem? I got a StamDen and dude's a cannon....

DisgracefulMind

Davadin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

For every 20 lengthy Sorc discussions there is a brief DK discussion.
For every 15 lengthy NB discussions there is a brief DK discussion.
DK improvements are questionable while their nerfs are irreversable.

Then there's us wardens ignored by everyone.

What's Warden problem? I got a StamDen and dude's a cannon....

Go reroll that stamden to a magden and you'll see.

Onefrkncrzypope

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

For every 20 lengthy Sorc discussions there is a brief DK discussion.
For every 15 lengthy NB discussions there is a brief DK discussion.
DK improvements are questionable while their nerfs are irreversable.

Then there's us wardens ignored by everyone.

What's Warden problem? I got a StamDen and dude's a cannon....

Go reroll that stamden to a magden and you'll see.

But is this a warden thread? Not to be snippy

DisgracefulMind

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

For every 20 lengthy Sorc discussions there is a brief DK discussion.
For every 15 lengthy NB discussions there is a brief DK discussion.
DK improvements are questionable while their nerfs are irreversable.

Then there's us wardens ignored by everyone.

What's Warden problem? I got a StamDen and dude's a cannon....

Go reroll that stamden to a magden and you'll see.

But is this a warden thread? Not to be snippy

Someone asked, I answered. Calm yourself.

Olupajmibanan

I am yet to see succesful stamDK in battlegrounds. I have tried it, but honestly, I have the feeling that in battlegrounds (and non-CP in general) stamDK is just a weaker version of stamden.
Not saying it is bad, just saying that what stamDK does, stamden can do the same but better.

StamDK (and stamsorc as well) needs major rework in order to give him distinguishable class identity. And the poison theme is certainly not the way to go.

Sleep724

Has anyone tested on the pts if noxious breath is any easier to animation cancel now? For example is it any easier to cast noxious/la/heroic slash or noxious/la/cleave in quick succession now that noxious can be used as a spammable.

PathwayM

"The amount of self pity in this thread is insane." - a stamsorc

TumlinTheJolly

I love Uppercut StamDK in PvP. RIP Uppercut 😢 I cry. No more DK for me.

GeorgeBlack

PathwayM wrote: »

"The amount of self pity in this thread is insane." - a stamsorc

Says the class with overloaded Hurricane, passives that give WD/stam rec from slotting any sorc ability, critical surge.

I am actually sick of seeing DK posts go like "....and stamsorc ofc..."

Nah...
Stamsorc is a great class with all the tools available to it to play any stamina weapon combination you like and be effective. Gtfo


No self pitty here.
Our class is forced in snb 2h 7th fury BS bs.

When the buffs that we receive are Seething Fury on a magika ability that works on 2 DoT abilities, while nerfing our wings you'd better not come here and add insult to injury.

Zacuel

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

PathwayM wrote: »

"The amount of self pity in this thread is insane." - a stamsorc

Says the class with overloaded Hurricane, passives that give WD/stam rec from slotting any sorc ability, critical surge.

I am actually sick of seeing DK posts go like "....and stamsorc ofc..."

Nah...
Stamsorc is a great class with all the tools available to it to play any stamina weapon combination you like and be effective. Gtfo


No self pitty here.
Our class is forced in snb 2h 7th fury BS bs.

When the buffs that we receive are Seething Fury on a magika ability that works on 2 DoT abilities, while nerfing our wings you'd better not come here and add insult to injury.

Thank you.

Davadin

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

I am yet to see succesful stamDK in battlegrounds. I have tried it, but honestly, I have the feeling that in battlegrounds (and non-CP in general) stamDK is just a weaker version of stamden.
Not saying it is bad, just saying that what stamDK does, stamden can do the same but better.

StamDK (and stamsorc as well) needs major rework in order to give him distinguishable class identity. And the poison theme is certainly not the way to go.

i play BG extensively and concluded stamDK needs to have a very different build with open world Cyro.

paired with a good team I can easily break 1m damage with my DoT build in no-CP BG. stamden is good, arguably better perhaps, but sDK can also be very succesful as well.

but in Cyro, the damage increase of the med DoT build with the BiS heavy/SnB burst-tank build is very VERY little..... yet BiS heavy is a LOT more survivable in a full-CP open world environment. and y'know what they say: dead people do zero DPS.