ZOS, I have come to bargain...

Cortimi

OK, straight up, let's face it, EVERYONE is mad about this PTS in one way or another.

Myself and most sDKs are mad about Wings.
Mag players are mad about Incap silence.
Tons of people are mad about food/drink nerfs.
NB nerfs.
More nerfs.
Nerfs.
moar nrefs

Can we PLEASE just undo the class changes and nerfs? Pretty please, with a cherry on top.

Just roll it back, go back to the idea board, and save this for another patch. You'll have more time for brainstorming, more time for internal testing. You may even finally have enough time to do an ACTUAL proper "class update" that addresses long standing issues that players have been highlighting for years (like class spammables for sDK and sSorc) and brings older classes into parity and cohesiveness with new ones.

I know pride tastes bad to swallow, but it will save you a ton of time and money in the end with the inevitable changes you will have to make. We all know you are going to have to walk back most of these changes in some form or another, so why not just own up to the mistakes now and push it down the line to be looked at later with fresh eyes?

ChunkyCat

Yes, but only because you asked nicely.

Cortimi

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Yes, but only because you asked nicely.

If only it was so easy.

Corpier

Reverting the food nerf and Incap buff have my full support. Is this a petition? Where do I sign?

Excelsus

Can we stop saying massive nerfs for nightblade? They recieved a myraid of changes, some nerfs, some buffs. Oversimplification is not a benefit to communication in addressing PTS changes. Yet it seems to be running rampant and people wonder why the changes are so skewed. If you can't objectively test and discuss changes with ZoS how can you expect a balanced response in the natch potes?

frostz417

If you’re a dk and you’re mad about wings. Clearly you’re carried by the reflects aspect of it. Which garbage players crutch on.
Not to mention dk is literally getting so many buffs. Smh

chetter_hummin

dk wings is needed nerf ( I main mag dk in pvp)
regen drink nerf is barely 300 resources, I really dont know how can u cry on that
nb incap nerf is needed compared to live right now, cause silence is just absurd
NB massive nerfs??? aside major fracture on surprise atack, again logical and needed nerf and a high damage spamable should not have a free, powerfull debuff, where are the massive nerfs???!!!

DocFrost72

Just remember how that scene went in Dr Strange.

Corpier

^
ZOS, I have come to bargain.

ZOS, I have come to bargain.

ZoS. I have come. To bargain!

zOs I hAvE cOmE tO bARgaIn.

10 more pages of bargaining or QQ

rafaelcsmaia

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Just remember how that scene went in Dr Strange.

Well if only we could lock the crown store in time just like he did, maybe then ZOS will be forced to bargain

Elsonso

Cortimi wrote: »

OK, straight up, let's face it, EVERYONE is mad about this PTS in one way or another.

Myself and most DKs are mad about Wings.
Mag players are mad about Incap silence.
Tons of people are mad about food/drink nerfs.
NB's are mad about massive nerfs.

Can we PLEASE just undo the class changes and nerfs? Pretty please, with a cherry on top.

Just roll it back, go back to the idea board, and save this for another patch. You'll have more time for brainstorming, more time for internal testing. You may even finally have enough time to do an ACTUAL proper "class update" that addresses long standing issues that players have been highlighting for years (like class spammables for sDK and sSorc) and brings older classes into parity and cohesiveness with new ones.

I know pride tastes bad to swallow, but it will save you a ton of time and money in the end with the inevitable changes you will have to make. We all know you are going to have to walk back most of these changes in some form or another, so why not just own up to the mistakes now and push it down the line to be looked at later with fresh eyes?

This happens every Update, to the point where all the forum drama is actually pretty boring. ZOS usually has solid and well founded reasons for what they do, but they do make changes based on input during PTS, so they may make a few changes in isolated places. I have seen nothing in the patch notes that would warrant rolling back very much. They will potentially make a change related to Silence, but we will have to see what that is, and whether it gets done before Elsweyr goes Live.

VaranisArano

lordrichter wrote: »

Cortimi wrote: »

OK, straight up, let's face it, EVERYONE is mad about this PTS in one way or another.

Myself and most DKs are mad about Wings.
Mag players are mad about Incap silence.
Tons of people are mad about food/drink nerfs.
NB's are mad about massive nerfs.

Can we PLEASE just undo the class changes and nerfs? Pretty please, with a cherry on top.

Just roll it back, go back to the idea board, and save this for another patch. You'll have more time for brainstorming, more time for internal testing. You may even finally have enough time to do an ACTUAL proper "class update" that addresses long standing issues that players have been highlighting for years (like class spammables for sDK and sSorc) and brings older classes into parity and cohesiveness with new ones.

I know pride tastes bad to swallow, but it will save you a ton of time and money in the end with the inevitable changes you will have to make. We all know you are going to have to walk back most of these changes in some form or another, so why not just own up to the mistakes now and push it down the line to be looked at later with fresh eyes?

This happens every Update, to the point where all the forum drama is actually pretty boring. ZOS usually has solid and well founded reasons for what they do, but they do make changes based on input during PTS, so they may make a few changes in isolated places. I have seen nothing in the patch notes that would warrant rolling back very much. They will potentially make a change related to Silence, but we will have to see what that is, and whether it gets done before Elsweyr goes Live.

The Forum Drama is amusing and predictable.

Anger/Denial - posts flood the forums with complaints, opinions, and insults.

Bargaining (where the OP is at) - everyone starts throwing out their ideas for how the Devs ought to change the problem

Depression - the longer things go without an immediate response from the Devs, the more people complain that the Devs aren't listening and that disaster will result

Acceptance - the Update goes Live, with or without the contentious issue, and the vast majority of players keep playing the game as if the kerfuffle had never happened.

ATomiX96

tbh, at this point, bad changes are better than no change at all.

Davadin

Cortimi wrote: »

Myself and most DKs are mad about Wings.

welll........... hold up, fren.

Many are angry with wings, but we can live and adapt.

Many more are happy with the buff MagDK are getting.

The remaining voice is stamDK is drifting away from its own class, and into a generic, weapon/guild-based skill lines to crutch on.

Just to be clear.

ATomiX96 wrote: »

tbh, at this point, bad changes are better than no change at all.

Whoa there, cowboy. That is untrue no matter how you read it.

Cortimi

frostz417 wrote: »

If you’re a dk and you’re mad about wings. Clearly you’re carried by the reflects aspect of it. Which garbage players crutch on.
Not to mention dk is literally getting so many buffs. Smh

I am mad about wings, because I PvP. Apparently you have never tried to PvP on a close ranged class. Yes, you rely on the "reflect aspect" as a disengagement tool when you suddenly get 6 people spamming Clench and Snipe at you.

You see, in PvP, you have to "do" certain things, like maintain position and location awareness, engage, DISengage, and manage resources. In an MMO, you have "skills" that are utilized to accomplish these tasks. So if a skill is altered in such a manner that it no longer effectively accomplishes the goal it is used for, then people get upset.

So sure, Reflect is my "crutch" because I want to use a class skill to accomplish a goal. Right.

darkblue5

Cortimi wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

If you’re a dk and you’re mad about wings. Clearly you’re carried by the reflects aspect of it. Which garbage players crutch on.
Not to mention dk is literally getting so many buffs. Smh

I am mad about wings, because I PvP. Apparently you have never tried to PvP on a close ranged class. Yes, you rely on the "reflect aspect" as a disengagement tool when you suddenly get 6 people spamming Clench and Snipe at you.

You see, in PvP, you have to "do" certain things, like maintain position and location awareness, engage, DISengage, and manage resources. In an MMO, you have "skills" that are utilized to accomplish these tasks. So if a skill is altered in such a manner that it no longer effectively accomplishes the goal it is used for, then people get upset.

So sure, Reflect is my "crutch" because I want to use a class skill to accomplish a goal. Right.

New wings is actually better in that situation. Might have to be more careful about stuns 1v1 but on the flip side you'll take negligible damage for far cheaper than spam casting wings. Sure, it is worse in a lot of situations because it no longer prevents a lot of projetile's secondary effects. However, in that particular situation the damage reduction should be better. There's no way you're reflecting over half the projectiles against six people and not eating a stun, especially considering the wings refresh bug.

Jabassa

FOOD GOT NERFED? OH HELL NO

AarDoTaazokaan

Corpier wrote: »

^
ZOS, I have come to bargain.

ZOS, I have come to bargain.

ZoS. I have come. To bargain!

zOs I hAvE cOmE tO bARgaIn.

10 more pages of bargaining or QQ

z0$, I hav came to the, to the bar a-again <hic-hiccup>

JobooAGS

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Just remember how that scene went in Dr Strange.

That is what I thought when I saw this thread

Veinblood1965

You forgot to add Please with a cherry on top, that would definitely seal the deal.

frostz417

Cortimi wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

If you’re a dk and you’re mad about wings. Clearly you’re carried by the reflects aspect of it. Which garbage players crutch on.
Not to mention dk is literally getting so many buffs. Smh

I am mad about wings, because I PvP. Apparently you have never tried to PvP on a close ranged class. Yes, you rely on the "reflect aspect" as a disengagement tool when you suddenly get 6 people spamming Clench and Snipe at you.

You see, in PvP, you have to "do" certain things, like maintain position and location awareness, engage, DISengage, and manage resources. In an MMO, you have "skills" that are utilized to accomplish these tasks. So if a skill is altered in such a manner that it no longer effectively accomplishes the goal it is used for, then people get upset.

So sure, Reflect is my "crutch" because I want to use a class skill to accomplish a goal. Right.

Because Magplars, and every other melee class doesn’t crutch on reflects like DK’s do. Quit crying. Wings completely shut down range playstyles. Nothing in this game has that capability. L2p and adapt. Every other melee class doesn’t crutch on wings like DK.
DK’ is receiving plenty of heal buffs so you’ll be fine kiddo.

Cortimi

frostz417 wrote: »

Because Magplars, and every other melee class doesn’t crutch on reflects like DK’s do. Quit crying. Wings completely shut down range playstyles. Nothing in this game has that capability. L2p and adapt. Every other melee class doesn’t crutch on wings like DK.
DK’ is receiving plenty of heal buffs so you’ll be fine kiddo.

Well, since Wings are a class skill, I would sure hope the other classes don't use it. Sorcs can Streak out, NBs can cloak out Temps (they are in a bad spot and everyone knows it) can purge and run.

And how is it that a stamDK being able to cast Wings a couple times "completely shuts down ranged play styles" is a lrn2play issue on MY end?

Pro tip: stam characters are more than just Snipe.
Pro tip 2: mag players are more than Frags, Clench, and Swallow Soul.

You forgot about:
Blockade
Curse
Force shock (a main spammable that you can use)
Mages Wrath
lightning Heavy attacks
Birds
Concealed Weapon
Meteor Ult........

Seriously, git gud.

But hol' up, you sit back and spam Snipe, Swallow Soul, and Clench, get smoked, then cry that there is a counter for it. OKIE DOKIE BUDDY, I sure have some serious l2p.

ruikkarikun

Too late to complain. You supported ZOS and their changes for changes + stupid nerf circle for years.
ENJOY.

mongoLC

This what happens when you hire kids that wear capes instead of professionals.