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Magsorc nerf when?
Strider__Roshin
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It's surprising that they even nerfed Nightblades considering the current magsorc dominance. Pets are way too strong and offer too much survivability via LOS, the lack of counterplay with Haunting Curse, the fact that Mage's Fury auto-kills, the potency of the magsorcs survivability via hardened Ward, and Crystal Frags hits way too hard considering how frequently it procs.
Edited by Strider__Roshin on May 7, 2019 2:17AM 17
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't think you need a new thread for this, @Daus ... especially when shields were nerfed in the last patch.
That doesn't mean it's not a topic worth talking about. It just doesn't need to be in PTS where we're reviewing actual gameplay ... not new ideas that may or may not be in a future patch.7 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's surprising that they even nerfed Nightblades considering the current magsorc dominance. Pets are way too strong and offer too much survivability via LOS, the lack of counterplay with Haunting Curse, the fact that Mage's Fury auto-kills, the potency of the magsorcs survivability via hardened Ward, and Crystal Frags hits way too hard considering how frequently it procs.
The issue is you can’t viably play a mag sorc in PvP rn without one pet. How they will solve that idk. Most mag sorcs aren’t super happy about being pigeonholed into matriarch SB builds but with the resto nerf you’ll be seeing a lot more of them.7 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's surprising that they even nerfed Nightblades considering the current magsorc dominance. Pets are way too strong and offer too much survivability via LOS, the lack of counterplay with Haunting Curse, the fact that Mage's Fury auto-kills, the potency of the magsorcs survivability via hardened Ward, and Crystal Frags hits way too hard considering how frequently it procs.
The issue is you can’t viably play a mag sorc in PvP rn without one pet. How they will solve that idk. Most mag sorcs aren’t super happy about being pigeonholed into matriarch SB builds but with the resto nerf you’ll be seeing a lot more of them.
This video says otherwise. Skip to the 10:54 mark
https://youtu.be/zGHuGAOiVG0 1 -
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✭The same time as MagDens get their buff.
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Kikke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Daus, realy? Another post about sorcs? Okey, lets see here...
Pets are way too strong and offer too much survivability via LOS.
- Sure, make them untargetable. See petsorcs become even stronger. Lol.
The lack of counterplay with Haunting Curse.
- Ehhh?! Spoken like a true NB. What? that evil sorc keeping you from stealth?
The fact that Mage's Fury auto-kills.
- The ability that has been possible to dodge TWO times? One by the ability, second for the proc. Finaly getting fixed... Thank God.
The potency of the magsorcs survivability via hardened Ward.
- You did not get shields nerfed enough last time eh? Now we have to build our entire builds around getting stronger shields. and even then they are weaker then what they were. Amazing. You really dont stop crying do you?
Crystal Frags hits way too hard considering how frequently it procs.
- Sometimes I can go multiple fights without have one proc, other times I can get 3 on the fly. It's pure RNG. Still does not hit harder than abilities it measures up too.
So, you have nothing new. Yet you make a new post... Why? Just because NBs are getting nerfed? Hmm, how did you guys say it back when sorcs got nerfed over and over again... how was it again... thats right!
Adapt!Edited by Kikke on May 7, 2019 3:10AMCleared Trials:
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"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
-Someone said it, I guess.23 -
Daedric_NB_187✭✭✭✭✭These nightblade vs sorc threads remind me of the bounty hunter vs jedi threads from SWG. One always complaining about the other being too strong.4
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✭✭✭✭Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »These nightblade vs sorc threads remind me of the bounty hunter vs jedi threads from SWG. One always complaining about the other being too strong.
Never played the game. Unfortunately they never brought it to console
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✭✭✭✭✭mainly sorcerers Dominate this forum, they only complain about things that threaten thier strengths.
so im sure this thread will not be good responces.
on topic:
thier shields are stronger now than they ever have been
that hurricane is way too huge and no one can stealth anywhere near them
they cast hurricane and pop a detection potion and then mount on horse and ride all around at max speeds so no one can stealth anywhere.
that explosion they cast on us nightblades that repeats explosion over and over and over also makes stealthing impossible
and the damage from their lightning is way too strong
also the shield breaker set was deleted, we need an alternative to break thier shields.
thier pets make it so no one can hit and damage them enough to kill them, they allways protected by shileds, and pets, and heals, while at same time spaming mass damage makes them a Boss in pvp
the streak is fine and should be allowed to be spammed as long as the Damage and stunn is removed from it would make it more realistic and usable instead of what it is right now is simply overpowered
thats just to name a few
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Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's surprising that they even nerfed Nightblades considering the current magsorc dominance. Pets are way too strong and offer too much survivability via LOS, the lack of counterplay with Haunting Curse, the fact that Mage's Fury auto-kills, the potency of the magsorcs survivability via hardened Ward, and Crystal Frags hits way too hard considering how frequently it procs.
The issue is you can’t viably play a mag sorc in PvP rn without one pet. How they will solve that idk. Most mag sorcs aren’t super happy about being pigeonholed into matriarch SB builds but with the resto nerf you’ll be seeing a lot more of them.
This video says otherwise. Skip to the 10:54 markhttps://youtu.be/zGHuGAOiVG0
Relying on resto ult, that’s the only thing keeping that play style alive. It’s getting nerfed. Sure you can still manage with the resto currently, but almost all good mag sorcs have gone matriarch and SB.2 -
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✭✭Both Stamblade and MagSorc needed nerfs, they got 1/2 right so I’m not complaining.6 -
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i dont have a clue where you got that idea from but that is not only off topic but its also just not true.
you nerf stealth and cloak casting and nightblade will be useless class.5 -
ChefZero✭✭✭✭They should improve how tab target work's before adjusting build's like pet Sorc and pact leader.PC EU - DC only1 -
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I expected an experienced and skilled PvP player like yourself would rarely find a NB with cloak a challenge. It is so easy to pull them out of stealth when played right.5 -
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✭Hardened Ward will get 'nerfed' (bug fix) by 20% come Elsweyr.Edited by Bergzorn on May 7, 2019 4:21AMno CP PvP PC/EU
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS can't nerf mag sorc without the forums melting down. Nerfing nb is easy because most of the annoying stam nbs aren't attached to the class at all and mag nb isn't popular. Because of gank salt, nerfing nb is practically a feature.
ZOS freely admits they design according to popular opinion. The inmates run this asylum -- which is a big reason why pvp keeps getting worse.5 -
Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭As someone who play both magsorc and stamnb on AD side, I find this post both funny to read as for how a stamnb main see magsorc nowadays, but also quite disappointed to know my stamnb peers can only think for themselves, which makes magsorc everywhere suffer.6 -
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Ah yes, nerf magblade even more..I was told magblades are fine and petsorcs are underperforming 🤔3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The most OP stamblades don't even use Shadowy Disguise, the invis morph. Cloak isn't remotely close to OP. Run of the mill tank builds available to all classes are far more survivable in combat than shadowy disguise builds.
When I make a 'serious' open world Magblade build -- which I haven't done since 3.0 -- I build as if I don't have cloak slotted because it is so unreliable. Builds that depend on cloak are high risk, high reward and effectively useless against a well-rounded group or even a well-rounded build 1v1.
The way players talk about cloak in these forums, a casual observer who doesn't play would imagine a game dominated by armies of invisible nightblades instantly one-shotting everyone who steps outside of a keep with cloak as the difference maker in all meaningful fights. Ridiculous.
The facts that the community widely recognizes magblade isn't op and that stamblade doesn't need invis to be op show that cloak isn't the problem.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hardened Ward will get 'nerfed' (bug fix) by 20% come Elsweyr.
OP is willfully ignoring some evidence or hasn’t fully read the patch notes. But seeing as he’s a medium stamblade refusing to use cloak for the past year+ I can at least understand where the salt is coming from.Edited by Vapirko on May 7, 2019 5:17AM8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Take away the second explotion of haunting curse. I liked it better with just the one
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✭✭✭✭✭I am surprised that ppl have not learned this by now...
Sorc were nerfed some patches ago... Then NB were nerfed... Then sorcs again... Then NB again. Those 2 classes
seems to call for nerfs each other seems like... Forever.
Meanewhile ZOS introduces classes like Necromancer that will simply be on a totally diffetent level. Dont you get it ? As long as we will have this class "civil war" both sides will suffer heavy nerfs. The player community will suffer.5 -
Muzzick✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »I am surprised that ppl have not learned this by now...
Sorc were nerfed some patches ago... Then NB were nerfed... Then sorcs again... Then NB again. Those 2 classes
seems to call for nerfs each other seems like... Forever.
Meanewhile ZOS introduces classes like Necromancer that will simply be on a totally diffetent level. Dont you get it ? As long as we will have this class "civil war" both sides will suffer heavy nerfs. The player community will suffer.
I'm pretty curious about seeing the next BG full of pets and undead1 -
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✭✭Reduce the size of sorc pets and daedroth from Maw monster set to match size of a scamp and I completely happy about sorcs.
Most of OP post is just a salty BS, but what I kinda agree with OP is lack of counterplay, but not for curse but for debuffs in general. Purge is available to anyone but hardly of any practical use.
That being said, if I were you @Daus , I would ask for Purge rework. You would be much more of a help to community than you are now and your "I hate magsorcs because they bring me out of cloak complex" will be solved as well since Curse, Mages Wrath and DoT from Destructive Touch are all purgeable.1 -
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✭✭✭The way MagSorcs were designed to be played (in LA) already is dead in PvP.
ZOS forced MagSorcs into HA and pets. All of this is WRONG.
LA was meant to be better for magic - not worse than HA.
Give LA shields at least the same resistance as HA so that LA MagSorcs are viable again.
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✭✭Concerning PvP, the resto ult nerf is simply going to push the few remaining non-pet Sorcs toward the zootard build (which merely turtles on backbar with S&B + Temporal until Atro is up).
Meanwhile, the Daedric prey nerf is insignificant - since the best pet builds use the Haunting Curse morph anyway.
Pet targeting needs to be toggle-able, and the Matriarch needs to have it's damage removed/reduced to define it more clearly as a healing morph. There is no justification for a defensive slot to passively deal damage ticks equal to a Master's DW Rending... while also giving free, portable LOS.
All this is coming from a Sorc main who feels that "Sorc needs pets to be viable" is just an excuse. On the contrary, nonpet Sorc is extremely viable and strong right now... though we'll see how things unfold after the resto & ward nerfs in Elsweyr.Edited by TheYKcid on May 7, 2019 7:06AMPC/NA — Daggerfall Covenant — BGs, Kaalgrontiid
Kalazar Chalhoub — Redguard Nord Stamplar
Kalaron Caemor — Altmer Magsorc
Kalahad Cirith — Dunmer Magden7
