The bone ZOS needs to throw to Stamplar

Murador178

@Durham I dont think nb mains like the changes from the pts so... Nobody can justify the silence and most nightblades dont want to be the new tanky brawlers with 15% more migation but hit lower...Only SnB nb like the changes since heroic slash is better then SA now and reverb gives u the healdebuff back. And yes I am a Nb main.

Vapirko

saganblackblade wrote: »

I agree that stamplar needs something and this is a cool idea but i feel like there’s a reason they never gave warden the ice wall we thought was coming. Probably not the best idea to add extra calculations in cyro.

Don’t seem to have any problems racking on extra calculations with Necros.

MaxJrFTW

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

They need to throw bone to all three of us - stamplar, stamDK and stamsorc. Instead they rolling out cool stamnecro... p2w?

Stamina necromancer will be just as bad as stamplars if not worse in pvp. They will shine in pve.

zParallaxz

splitsand wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

They need to throw bone to all three of us - stamplar, stamDK and stamsorc. Instead they rolling out cool stamnecro... p2w?

Stamdk is one of the top specs in pvp right now and only getting stronger.

Stamsorc I can agree with you on. It needs a little help. BUT, streak and dark deal are amazing. You just won’t kill good players as a stamsorc, so you just have to kite away.

Stamplar is the “healing class” and has the worst heals out of all Stam classes. It’s also the only class without an effective in class heal.

Spores, dark deal, dark cloak, dk has major mending plus the new buffs this patch.

Warden, dk, and nb have major mending in their kit.

Stamsorc and Stamplar are left out to dry a bit in most cases, but at least you can kite on a stamsorc.

In the end it doesn’t matter as ZoS will do nothing. They fix and buff what they want and when the want.

If you get your hopes up, they will always disappoint you.

To be fair you sound really biased, I’ve played and seen stamplars in open world pvp. They are among the best specs for small to large group play due to their access to a aoe spammable and dawn breaker which can instagib a good portion of people. You say dk is a top pvp spec, how can they be a top spec is all of their damage is single target or hard to land I.e venomous claw and noxious breath? Stam plat needs a few changes but it’s not in the trash can like your describing.

Masel

NoodleESO wrote: »

A lot of problems for stamina templar next patch can be fixed my changing the luminous shards ability to something that a stamplar can use in their tool kit. This ability already restores mag/stam on the blazing spear morph and its traits are repeated in the necrotic orb ability, to make up for the loss of luminous the mag/stam return on blazing should be buffed to a full 4k.

Changes to Luminous

This ability should be reworked to make the class feel up to date, what i had in mind was:

Cost: 4000 stamina
insta cast/target ground
Duration: 8 seconds
Cast down a wall of light to shield you and your allies applying minor maim to all enemies within 4 meters in front of and behind the wall, and dealing X physical damage every second increasing by 10% every tick maxed at 50%
An ally near the wall can activate a synergy increasing their mag or stam recovery by 129 for the duration of the wall

This would act like the frost wall the Xivkyn mages will cast to intercept single target projectiles, the difference is the wall should be wider (about the width of restoring rune plus one meter) and the height should be twice the height of a player (to avoid jump casters being able to cast over it). The ability should also share the same properties as pets, having the same health/resistances of the caster and can be healed/buffed. The wall must be passive so players can walk through it and enemy aoe can travel to the other side like hurricane and permafrost and so on but, any single target abilities will see this as line of sight, as well trying to cast through the wall will result in the ability dropping in front of the wall instead of through it.

Why tho

According to the combat devs in eso live templars are supposed to build a house to buff their allies and keep them healed, this is 100% inaccurate for stamplar right now as they have the least offensive and defensive buffs to offer to their team and ironically as a templar have little heals to bring to the party. Giving this to stamplars would make up for the loss of major protection from crescent sweep with an aoe maim for trash pulls, it also gives the vibe of an actual house of protecting with a nova combo. Puts stamplar on par with shimmering and wings too, sorcs have speed plus shields, NB has cloak, people in the pvp sections were joking about needing a pet tree for los and well here it is. This was inspired by the way Hoplites would fight with their shield wall formation and with templars being the hoplites of Tamriel it looks fitting for the class.

Stamina classes will never have access to another strong aoe ground dot. They have caltrops and hail that are meant to fulfill the roles of blockade+class aoe. Not my opinion or words, just what we heard from the devs when we suggested something similar at some point in the past.

usmcjdking

Stamplar doesn't need a ground based AOE DOT. That just artificially raises it's DPS without actually giving it anything useful. The class is straight up incomplete at Year 5. It serves no function, no purpose, excels at nothing and is bad at almost everything.

sindalstar

Bones i'd ask for, as a predominantly ranged bow/bow templar:

A ranged stamina spamable. Either from javelin (the lease likely of the two) or reworking a dawn's wrath ability like sun fire

-Javelin change i'd rather not, because it's templar's cc, but if it was changed, just bring the damage up to speed to be in line with other spamables (maybe around or similar to crushing), and maybe giving it a neat passive like "This ability always procs burning light if it is available (or has an increased chance)' or something

-Sun fire:
Change reflective light into a stamina morph and adjust it's damage according (maybe 30% in the first hit and 70% in the rest of the dot). Remove the major sorcery, but instead give it a quirk like 'each iteration of the Dot applied is unique and will run it's full course, instead of just refreshing'. That'd be kinda neat, and make it pretty defining for stamplars who 'keep burning you'. They don't chunk you down in a big burst but become like one of those boss debuffs that just gets worse over time the longer its on. Leaves itself to counter play in purging, sure.

-Burning light:
If the sunfire change happens, this passive could be changed to "with a spear ability equiped, your templar skills have a chance to proc extra damage" instead of just the spear abilites. Or even just straight up "your templar abilities" without a requirement if it turns out it's ok.

Path of the light:
Give it something. Anything to make it more impactiful as it's no doubt supposed to be. Give it a slotted passive. Give it the ability to somehow crit for more damage. Make it functional and worthwhile using because I've found that I don't actually LOSE much by taking it out of the rotation. The damage is roughly the same.

That's just off the top of my head, for now

Mitaka211

Murador178 wrote: »

Most stamplars dont even run jabs of the few stamplars still remaining. Stamplar needs a serious rework - nobody wants another SnB heroic slash reverb spammer.

The only reason i run jabs is so i feel like im playing a templar lol, there are other abilities that can be incorporated in a build far better. On paper jabs sound amazing , however :
- they often miss
- last hit will always miss , unless the target is running in a straight line
- a big portion of the damage gets mitigated by any player who has an idea of what skills are needed in a group pvp scenario. If you are wondering why you simply can't down some players with jabs alone.
- The passives alone are extremely redeeming to me. You can try some interesting builds , ths to the crit chance you get after jabs and it helps you stand toe to toe with some players.

In general i feel all stamina builds suffer. And after the changes to uppercut + morphs , i feel like we will be forced into a generic duel wield bleed build.

Btw looke NBs , they cried like babies for a week and ZOS buckled under the pressure. Tells you how much they actually understand the game lol...

Durham

zParallaxz wrote: »

splitsand wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

They need to throw bone to all three of us - stamplar, stamDK and stamsorc. Instead they rolling out cool stamnecro... p2w?

Stamdk is one of the top specs in pvp right now and only getting stronger.

Stamsorc I can agree with you on. It needs a little help. BUT, streak and dark deal are amazing. You just won’t kill good players as a stamsorc, so you just have to kite away.

Stamplar is the “healing class” and has the worst heals out of all Stam classes. It’s also the only class without an effective in class heal.

Spores, dark deal, dark cloak, dk has major mending plus the new buffs this patch.

Warden, dk, and nb have major mending in their kit.

Stamsorc and Stamplar are left out to dry a bit in most cases, but at least you can kite on a stamsorc.

In the end it doesn’t matter as ZoS will do nothing. They fix and buff what they want and when the want.

If you get your hopes up, they will always disappoint you.

To be fair you sound really biased, I’ve played and seen stamplars in open world pvp. They are among the best specs for small to large group play due to their access to a aoe spammable and dawn breaker which can instagib a good portion of people. You say dk is a top pvp spec, how can they be a top spec is all of their damage is single target or hard to land I.e venomous claw and noxious breath? Stam plat needs a few changes but it’s not in the trash can like your describing.

The difference with my DK vs Stamplar ... DK is better with LAG dots are not affected by lag. Jabs are broke in lag. If there is no lag I like my Stamplar hands down if there is lag my Stamplar is TRASH!!!!!

splitsand

zParallaxz wrote: »

splitsand wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

They need to throw bone to all three of us - stamplar, stamDK and stamsorc. Instead they rolling out cool stamnecro... p2w?

Stamdk is one of the top specs in pvp right now and only getting stronger.

Stamsorc I can agree with you on. It needs a little help. BUT, streak and dark deal are amazing. You just won’t kill good players as a stamsorc, so you just have to kite away.

Stamplar is the “healing class” and has the worst heals out of all Stam classes. It’s also the only class without an effective in class heal.

Spores, dark deal, dark cloak, dk has major mending plus the new buffs this patch.

Warden, dk, and nb have major mending in their kit.

Stamsorc and Stamplar are left out to dry a bit in most cases, but at least you can kite on a stamsorc.

In the end it doesn’t matter as ZoS will do nothing. They fix and buff what they want and when the want.

If you get your hopes up, they will always disappoint you.

To be fair you sound really biased, I’ve played and seen stamplars in open world pvp. They are among the best specs for small to large group play due to their access to a aoe spammable and dawn breaker which can instagib a good portion of people. You say dk is a top pvp spec, how can they be a top spec is all of their damage is single target or hard to land I.e venomous claw and noxious breath? Stam plat needs a few changes but it’s not in the trash can like your describing.

All I needed to read was “among the best specs for large scale play”.

I’d imagine landing stamdk dots while Xv1’ng is rather difficult for you.

Thanks for your input.

Drauz

The only thing stamplar needs is to keep major protection on empowering sweeps.
Like it is now..

DisgracefulMind

These are the go-to for healers though ):

Priyasekarssk

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

They need to throw bone to all three of us - stamplar, stamDK and stamsorc. Instead they rolling out cool stamnecro... p2w?

All mentioned are in good place.

MellowMagic

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

They need to throw bone to all three of us - stamplar, stamDK and stamsorc. Instead they rolling out cool stamnecro... p2w?

All mentioned are in good place.

I love when people who never play a class say they're in a good place, especially when it's a mag sorc.