Let's talk Stam Sorc

Lyar09

So this is strictly regarding PVP....


Stam Sorc needs some love ZOS. The class doesn't have an identity what so ever. It is the only class without access to fracture or savagery, doesn't have a spammable, the only healing it receives is from very costly magicka skills, and most of the passives in dark magic and daedric summoning are useless. I don't even main stam sorc and I realize this. I would love to play my stam sorc but being pigeon holed in running nothing but weapon skills is not how I want to play the game. Not to mention, the weapon skill spammables are being nerfed next patch (dizzying and steel tornado). So when is enough going to be enough and stam sorc getting some love?

Demra

My fantasy is that bound armor gives me back implosion for the next 6s. I miss it and want a good reason to use that skill.

Tannus15

Bound armour needs to count as having a pet summoned regarding sorc passives.

Elwendryll

Tannus15 wrote: »

Bound armour needs to count as having a pet summoned regarding sorc passives.

Necro armor leaves a corpse after expiration...

HowlKimchi

Yeah, I have a dunmer magsorc i'm not using. I'm planning on making it a stamsorc for next patch because I want to try something new. Would be nice if it had more tools by then.

Brrrofski

For PVP...

Firstly, the passives need looking at. There's like 4 passives that are 100% useful (power stone, unholy knowledge, energised, expert mage)

Then there's 3 or 4 which are very very situational. Amplitude isn't great in PvP as bursting people is the problem, not getting people to half health. Capacitor is 10% mag regen which is kinda useless unless you build for mag recovery. Daedric protection needs a skill slotted. Sometimes you can't find bound armour in, and the psijic ult us a nice back bar ult instead of atro. Negate for group builds.

So it's clear the passives need help.

Active skills... We use 3? Sometimes 4? Streak, dark deal, hurricane and sometimes crit surge.

Cleave getting buffed may help a little bit next patch (assuming you have the master 2h) so that could be ok. But still - why wouldn't I just use the same build on a sramwarden or stam DK and just be a better version?

Chilly-McFreeze

In b4 "stamsorcs are fine"

Really, I'm too exhausted to add anything beneficial. Just look at the other dozend stam sorc threads if you want good ideas. Some dudes already start to count the gap closer changes as a stam sorc buff. This should give everyone a general concept of the state of the class. However, ZOS won't listen anyway.

crazywolfpusher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXM5TjJ-mcM
Stamsorc are fine and are the best class
jk

Critical Surge > useless outside vma and useless for tanks
Hurricane > meh damage, annoying visual effect, minor expedition could be tied to streak and resistances to armaments.
Bound Armaments > great passives, awful active
Dark Deal > Cast time meh, and when you are using 2h build, casting WB + this is just terrible aside 2h have great sustain. Maybe if the duration was 30 second i wouldn't mind the cast time.

PVE, the class feels boring for stamina because all you can do, other classes can do it better. Cmon 3 ultimates and none of them synergize with stamina? it feels wrong.

For pvp, stamsorc are fine

rafaelcsmaia

This my friends, is the sad truth, ZOS doesnt care

Lord_Sando

Morgul667

Nothing happens for us

_Ahala_

But, Stamsorc has an identity...
Oh wait no... It’s a generic weapon class with an interesting but comically short lasting armor buff in hurricane, dual resource sustain in dark deal, and extra mobility in streak

Honestly though... stam sorc should get an actual stam ult or two and some way to use the daedric summoning line... stam scaling clanfear, charged atro reworked into air atro, bound armaments as a melee spammable instead of a impractical short term block buff... lots of potential here

Neoauspex

Bound Armaments should be reworked to synergize better with the way the class plays... blitzkrieg style, get in, get aggressive, get healing from offense, get out when it's too hot and reset.

But I kinda love building this class out of Legos from all the hand-me-down Lego sets, so to speak. Crushing Weapon is great, Flurry is better now, Carve and Masters 2-hand, the old uppercut/dawny combo, negate, ballista, onslaught... I miss the third bar for open world but honestly sometimes I feel like this class has too many options because the class skills only cover utility. They're just not exclusive options to the class. Way better off than classes that don't have access to the utility...

CynicK

Thera are some abilities that use stamina as mentioned above but i think the main problem is trying to play a class that is obviously magica based as stamina class and saying you basicaly only have weapon abilities.
My 5 cents here...

Thraben

CynicK wrote: »

Thera are some abilities that use stamina as mentioned above but i think the main problem is trying to play a class that is obviously magica based as stamina class and saying you basicaly only have weapon abilities.
My 5 cents here...

I´ve been conjuring daedric armor, and hitting things with conjured bows and greatswords for 20 years now in Elder Scrolls games. The "speed" effect of the class in previous Elder Scrolls games comes from the fact that conjuring equipment doesn´t encumber you.

This playstyle you seem to find so weird is much better established than "classes" like templar or warden.

This isn´t WoW or any other standard fantasy world.

Ignorance is the problem here, not semantics.

Nyladreas

Lyar09 wrote: »

Let's talk Stam Sorc

Let's not.
-ZOS

ilcavallo

"Communication"

Lmao

_Ahala_

Nyladreas wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Let's talk Stam Sorc

Let's not.
-ZOS

LMAO

_Ahala_

Their is a lot of potential here for stamsorc if zos would just give it some TLC... Air Overload, Air Atro, Bound Armaments as a Bound Sword type spammable or temporary summon that functions like the Morkuldin set so stamsorc can actually use the daedric summoning passives... How about a stam morph of mages fury or some sort of crystallized punch as a burst skill? Stam Sorc feels like it should get more out its class lines offensively imho

Nogawd

Meta chasers deserve no sympathy.

ilcavallo

Nogawd wrote: »

Meta chasers deserve no sympathy.

Neither do trolls

Defilted

Love stamsorc. Great PVP toon. My best by leaps and bounds.

Please do not change Bound armor. Run it on both bars and it is great for max stam. I like that I dont have to cast it to get the max stam boost. I do not use the active abilty of bound armor. The active skill is a PVE ability IMO.

I like my stam sorc build and my 99 ult cost Dawn breaker is always ready to burst.

_Ahala_

Just make bound armaments give the 8% max stam and 11% light attack damage for having it slotted and give something interesting for actually using it instead of this weird 36% block damage reduction thing for for 3s (which is both morphs for some reason)

Aedrion

Patch after patch. Nothing. Stamsorc on PC EU is meme now in PvP. I don't believe ZoS will ever fix it.

Abhaya

Stam sorcs can be really strong it just requires much more effort to put together a solid build. There is a lot more emphasis on which weapons they choose since they rely on these skills so heavily. It’s a trade off on what you want. The class really just needs more flexibility and viable choices coming from the sorc skill lines to be top tier.

For example, NB can run dual-wield and bow and still have a gap closer. They can run an AOE on sword and board. They can run an instant cast spammable with 2-hand. Since they have a solid set of fundamental abilities already built in to the class they can run whatever they want and still perform. This is a good example of how a class should play and the other classes need this kind of flexibility.

Defilted

Streak is a gap closer IMO. Also functions for escaping and moving around the battle field. Fantastic skill!

Neoauspex

Ya streak is like the third best skill in the entire game

Muzzick

Just out of curiosity why does one even make a stamsorc in the first place if there's no identity?

validifyedneb18_ESO

Muzzick wrote: »

Just out of curiosity why does one even make a stamsorc in the first place if there's no identity?

Well, you make a character, you select sorc, then you ignore all your class skills and use only weapon, world, racial and guild skills.

TBois

Muzzick wrote: »

Just out of curiosity why does one even make a stamsorc in the first place if there's no identity?

Because I made one when there was an identity, specifically crit surge without a cooldown on heals and stacking with rally, I could use streak more than 2 times, and hurricane hurt, also bound armor used to conjure daedric armor on you

Edit: most of this is gone due to needed nerfs and indirect nerds because of mag sorc overperforming

Muzzick

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Muzzick wrote: »

Just out of curiosity why does one even make a stamsorc in the first place if there's no identity?

Well, you make a character, you select sorc, then you ignore all your class skills and use only weapon, world, racial and guild skills.

That's more of a how, rather than a why

TBois wrote: »

Muzzick wrote: »

Just out of curiosity why does one even make a stamsorc in the first place if there's no identity?

Because I made one when there was an identity, specifically crit surge without a cooldown on heals and stacking with rally, I could use streak more than 2 times, and hurricane hurt, also bound armor used to conjure daedric armor on you

Edit: most of this is gone due to needed nerfs and indirect nerds because of mag sorc overperforming

Ah I see, well that clarifies it I didn't know that. I have only been playing for about 7-8 months so it was confusing for me, I just assumed the class was meant to be a mag class even though we can technically put our attribute points wherever we want.