Why does this game has a Class / Spec system? Alts and New classes are a Nightmare...

Adam_Chattaway

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

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Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If I had a nickel for every entitlement thread in the forums ...

It's not entitlement it's called common sense for the good of the game. Theres a reason FFXIV is the 2nd top mmo there is and no 1 if you consider many from the top have now transferred to it... eso 100% completion on more than 1 char is cancer and doing it everytime theres a new class is insanity literally. Stop being a fanboy and open your *** eyes. FFXIV has the best class system period. I can play the new dancer or gun breaker classes without losing the last 6 years of progress I've done.

If you like it so much, you can keep playing it over there. We'll stay over here with all of our alts. Every game being the same is not a good a thing. Games need to be different to have an identity. Homogenization is not a good thing.

Why are you so ignorant to what is better? Do you not hear yourself? In what way is doing the same 3000 hours of content 6x a good thing? Are you honestly telling me you like and prefer this? Seriously think for 5 min of this is truly what you *** believe then reply.

I honestly prefer this. I thought for your 5 minutes, and yeah. I honestly prefer the way it is now. Since you don't prefer it, how about you find a different game to play?

Tell me why you think having all classes based on one global char is a bad idea? Because I can tell you most people would want it as it's a better way forward and ffxiv has proven it. Just because it's not in eso doesn't mean its not better just eso were too lazy and fanboys like you defend them. You cant give any reason other than acting like a fanboy defender of inferior system. Are esocgorums really this cancer?

I like each of my characters as themselves. Each one plays through content in a way that's important for that person. Yes, my characters are PEOPLE in their own right.

I have zero use for your suggestion. I think you need to go play a different game - this game and its ancestors are based in roleplay. Apparently you have no concept of that metric.

BTW - I've been playing RPGs since the mid 70s. I've been playing CRPGs since 1985. I spent years in WoW and RIFT. My game life has generally revolved around TES (culminating in ESO) since Arena released in March of 1994 (with some significant years in both WoW and RIFT when TES wasn't "just around the corner").

As far as all classes based on a global character, that's just silly. Each character is different - they do different things, approach combat in different ways, kill things with different spells/skills.

Why do you think a global character setup is a good idea? FWIW, I wouldn't touch ffwhatever with a hundred foot pole. Stupid game (in my own particular view of course). If you think ffwhatever is a great game, go play it.

If you think ff is stupid then you have problems buy as for rpg and eso you can be whatever you want it should not be locked on classes then given you the fake illusion sandbox by allowing you to equip heavy as a sorcerer or use a fire staff as a plate warrior etc. There is little class balance in eso and weaving in the combat system is a huge put off fir many of my friends who say it's a *** disgusting mechanic.

I don't play FFWhatever because everything about it - the weird-looking cartoony characters, the lack of classes, the combat system - is juvenile crap for kids.

That's my opinion. My opinion is 100% as valid as yours.

The difference between me and you is this: I don't go to FFWhatever forums and tell that game's fans that FFWhatever should be completely redesigned, the developers are lazy, and FFWhatever fans are idiots for liking their game.

See the childishness of the community here? Saying your post was awesome... *** me sideways what a bunch if *** kids. For a start there is FAR FAR FAR more classes in FF than ESO 3 new classes this expansion btw.

Stop spreding nonsence there is only 2

Blue Mage released early

priforce

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

So i currently play both ESO and FFXIV right now as both games have expansions very soon. I just saw a post about some guy asking for a story skip token etc but tbh to me it's more than that. This game is HUGE and the shere amount of zones and content it has is more than any other mmo i would say ever made. But as an Elder Scrolls game it fails for many reasons such as there should be NO classes at all and we should have a blank char with no skills other than racial maybe and everything we do from lvl 1 is to progress any weapon or spell we find, learn equip and use. Now the problem is when like me you have spent over 1500 on your main class and then a new class comes out which you want to main such as Necro... we have to do that ALL over again, all the shards, books, story, zones everything which is depressing and too far. FFXIV for example lets you make 1 char and change to any class you have or unlock and then re level that class and gear it without having to do anything over again so you only ever have and need 1 char you can grow forever. This is 100% how ESO should have been if not going for the Original ES style.

So all these hours, years and time I've spent on my Templar will be for nothing when the necromancer is out and i switch to that...

The class system for FFXIV works for FFXIV where there is not a lot of diversity or "play how you want to play" mechanics. Once the tank goes down, everyone goes down. Once the healer goes down, everyone goes down. Unless a healer is around to rez, when you do die, you aren't able to participate in the dungeon boss fight.

ESO tries not to stick to that WOW type of play that FFXIV is based on. For example, dungeons or trials are not locked behind the main stories. There are no "class quests" that unlock new abilities.

I play both, I like both for what they are, and what they aren't. In ESO, if anyone can jump from tank to healer to DPS anytime they want, it would ruin the experience of ESO and have a custom tailored character that is fully meta or partially.

So I am glad there aren't class change tokens.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

ESO is better then FFXIV. If you like the other better then play that.

I luv ESO and playing all the classes, the build diversity, the beautiful landscapes, and the new content. I am excited to make three new necros and delete some maxed out characters to make some room. The grind and progression is part of the fun, it is what keeps things interesting. Each toon is like building a specialized race car to kill people, fitting my current playstyles.

I am just not happy over some of the nerfs, like dark cloak. For the magblade, it was the only decent burst heal that was a piece of the puzzle for some challenging 1 v X
2 v X fun in open field Cyro....

Though despite the whiners and the game performance, ESO is simply the mmo to play....

Your argument is lacking because if you played since day one like me then you wouldn't even suggest FFXIV as the better game.

Don't feed the troll. He has had plenty of meals in this thread as it is. Enjoy FFXIV

ESO endgame sucksnin every way possible. FFXIV has a much better community with trials raids and progression based on ever better gear and difficulty. Theres are dozens of trials in extreme and savage modes and raids also. This is all group content. What does eso have? Mainly pvp endgame because the only pve is vet dungeons for no rewards and a couple of raids thay dont compare to wow or ffxiv progression and challenge.

And most of them arent revelent anymore because of new level cap

Dark_Lord_Kuro

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Yes but your overall level wouldnt increase exept with your major skill

Lets say you make a archer but right of the bat you ditch your bow to play as a mageyou would stay level 1 because you dot level your archer skil so you ar stuck with a lv 1 mage

Adam_Chattaway

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

ESO is better then FFXIV. If you like the other better then play that.

I luv ESO and playing all the classes, the build diversity, the beautiful landscapes, and the new content. I am excited to make three new necros and delete some maxed out characters to make some room. The grind and progression is part of the fun, it is what keeps things interesting. Each toon is like building a specialized race car to kill people, fitting my current playstyles.

I am just not happy over some of the nerfs, like dark cloak. For the magblade, it was the only decent burst heal that was a piece of the puzzle for some challenging 1 v X
2 v X fun in open field Cyro....

Though despite the whiners and the game performance, ESO is simply the mmo to play....

Your argument is lacking because if you played since day one like me then you wouldn't even suggest FFXIV as the better game.

Don't feed the troll. He has had plenty of meals in this thread as it is. Enjoy FFXIV

ESO endgame sucksnin every way possible. FFXIV has a much better community with trials raids and progression based on ever better gear and difficulty. Theres are dozens of trials in extreme and savage modes and raids also. This is all group content. What does eso have? Mainly pvp endgame because the only pve is vet dungeons for no rewards and a couple of raids thay dont compare to wow or ffxiv progression and challenge.

And most of them arent revelent anymore because of new level cap

Everything is relevant. For dailys, roulette, story etc. everything in FFXIV is still in some way relevant to a max lvl char. People still run the very first raid for many reasons right now.

Adam_Chattaway

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

therift wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If I had a nickel for every entitlement thread in the forums ...

It's not entitlement it's called common sense for the good of the game. Theres a reason FFXIV is the 2nd top mmo there is and no 1 if you consider many from the top have now transferred to it... eso 100% completion on more than 1 char is cancer and doing it everytime theres a new class is insanity literally. Stop being a fanboy and open your *** eyes. FFXIV has the best class system period. I can play the new dancer or gun breaker classes without losing the last 6 years of progress I've done.

If you like it so much, you can keep playing it over there. We'll stay over here with all of our alts. Every game being the same is not a good a thing. Games need to be different to have an identity. Homogenization is not a good thing.

Why are you so ignorant to what is better? Do you not hear yourself? In what way is doing the same 3000 hours of content 6x a good thing? Are you honestly telling me you like and prefer this? Seriously think for 5 min of this is truly what you *** believe then reply.

I honestly prefer this. I thought for your 5 minutes, and yeah. I honestly prefer the way it is now. Since you don't prefer it, how about you find a different game to play?

Tell me why you think having all classes based on one global char is a bad idea? Because I can tell you most people would want it as it's a better way forward and ffxiv has proven it. Just because it's not in eso doesn't mean its not better just eso were too lazy and fanboys like you defend them. You cant give any reason other than acting like a fanboy defender of inferior system. Are esocgorums really this cancer?

I like each of my characters as themselves. Each one plays through content in a way that's important for that person. Yes, my characters are PEOPLE in their own right.

I have zero use for your suggestion. I think you need to go play a different game - this game and its ancestors are based in roleplay. Apparently you have no concept of that metric.

BTW - I've been playing RPGs since the mid 70s. I've been playing CRPGs since 1985. I spent years in WoW and RIFT. My game life has generally revolved around TES (culminating in ESO) since Arena released in March of 1994 (with some significant years in both WoW and RIFT when TES wasn't "just around the corner").

As far as all classes based on a global character, that's just silly. Each character is different - they do different things, approach combat in different ways, kill things with different spells/skills.

Why do you think a global character setup is a good idea? FWIW, I wouldn't touch ffwhatever with a hundred foot pole. Stupid game (in my own particular view of course). If you think ffwhatever is a great game, go play it.

If you think ff is stupid then you have problems buy as for rpg and eso you can be whatever you want it should not be locked on classes then given you the fake illusion sandbox by allowing you to equip heavy as a sorcerer or use a fire staff as a plate warrior etc. There is little class balance in eso and weaving in the combat system is a huge put off fir many of my friends who say it's a *** disgusting mechanic.

I don't play FFWhatever because everything about it - the weird-looking cartoony characters, the lack of classes, the combat system - is juvenile crap for kids.

That's my opinion. My opinion is 100% as valid as yours.

The difference between me and you is this: I don't go to FFWhatever forums and tell that game's fans that FFWhatever should be completely redesigned, the developers are lazy, and FFWhatever fans are idiots for liking their game.

See the childishness of the community here? Saying your post was awesome... *** me sideways what a bunch if *** kids. For a start there is FAR FAR FAR more classes in FF than ESO 3 new classes this expansion btw.

Stop spreding nonsence there is only 2

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

ESO is better then FFXIV. If you like the other better then play that.

I luv ESO and playing all the classes, the build diversity, the beautiful landscapes, and the new content. I am excited to make three new necros and delete some maxed out characters to make some room. The grind and progression is part of the fun, it is what keeps things interesting. Each toon is like building a specialized race car to kill people, fitting my current playstyles.

I am just not happy over some of the nerfs, like dark cloak. For the magblade, it was the only decent burst heal that was a piece of the puzzle for some challenging 1 v X
2 v X fun in open field Cyro....

Though despite the whiners and the game performance, ESO is simply the mmo to play....

Your argument is lacking because if you played since day one like me then you wouldn't even suggest FFXIV as the better game.

Don't feed the troll. He has had plenty of meals in this thread as it is. Enjoy FFXIV

ESO endgame sucksnin every way possible. FFXIV has a much better community with trials raids and progression based on ever better gear and difficulty. Theres are dozens of trials in extreme and savage modes and raids also. This is all group content. What does eso have? Mainly pvp endgame because the only pve is vet dungeons for no rewards and a couple of raids thay dont compare to wow or ffxiv progression and challenge.

Clearly, ESO is not the game for you.

I just dont play eso for its lackluster pve endgame... or I would make an alt level fast skip most of the content and do it which is why I'm annoyed with new classes having to redo everything. I play for story and the lore and some pvp. Ffxiv for the wow successor.

If you play for the story and lore then what you're proposing as no bearing on your typical game play.

Yea it does because I want to be able to play thousands of hours in the world collecting and seeing and doing everything with the knowledge it not all going to be a complete waste of time when I make a new class and have to redo it all. I should be able to play as a macro and continue where I left off with all my progress intact so I dont feel like after 6 years I'm resetting everything I've worked for just to play with different skills...

I'm sorry to say, you will have to make a new character for new class skills. That's how this game was built. That's how all but one Elder Scrolls RPG was built. That's the system this game was built around, the series was built around. The devs have already talked about the technical implausibility of creating anything similar to a class change. They'd have to rewrite so much of the game's code, they might as well just make a new game. Oddly enough, Zenimax Online Studios is making a new game. Maybe they'll just copy/paste the build from your favorite game so you'll finally be happy.

But if I went archer in oblivion I didn't get 3 entire exclusive skill trees only available to that 1 class? Any class could do archery no? And slowly level it up. I will have to reinstall oblivion today and see.

Yes but your overall level wouldnt increase exept with your major skill

Lets say you make a archer but right of the bat you ditch your bow to play as a mageyou would stay level 1 because you dot level your archer skil so you ar stuck with a lv 1 mage

Gunbreaker
Dancer
Blue Mage

zaria

Wa2p wrote: »

To play the necromancer, or monk, or spellsword, or whatever other classes they come up with. I don't need to do all of the story quests. I don't need to complete 90% of the map to have a functional character. This will be even easier with buying skyshards. I have 13 characters, and I've completed all the story content on of them, done this's and that's for a dew of them because I felt like questing. Other wise, leveling skill points + dungeon skill points, were usually enough. Maybe a few easy skyshards.

Also, they've talked about the complication issues they run into with class change tokens, and basically said it wouldn't happen.

This, start with part of main quest just to get a couple of levels.
do random normal dungeons, while queued on DD run around picking up skyshards and books.
On healer == any magic build with an healing staff of crafted set you do this afterward.
Add random BG for more xp and AP.

thehilanderb14a_ESO

I’ve played ffxiv, left it partially BECAUSE of the class system. I would much rather have alts than have one character that can just do everything. Going back to EQ1 and Asheron’s Call I have always run multiple alts, including a whopping 43 characters in Dark Age of Camelot (10 of which were max level), and 27 characters in WoW. So, yeah...being “forced” to run through the same story repeatedly really isn’t a drawback to me.

On ESO I actually go so far as to create distinct “classes” for my characters by voluntarily choosing not to learn skills or use equipment that go against the vision for that character, even if they might be mechanically useful to have. For example, my Blood Mage, is a nightblade that has no skills at ALL from the Assassin or shadow lines and focuses solely on siphoning. I even have a couple characters that I make a point of not gaining the Legerdemain skill line on because it goes against their nature (my paladin and priest characters) which actually locks them out of certain quests and quest lines entirely - I have even deleted and restarted those characters a couple times when I accidentally stole something and got a point in legerdemain.

Will all of those characters be competitive in the high tier endgame, no - but that isn't my goal either. My only complaint is that I don’t have enough character slots for all of the “classes” I can come up with.

Facefister

KhajiitFelix wrote: »

Unfortunately, OP is right about ESO endgame. It sucks. It's only like 200 people on each server doing PvE endgame, which can be completed and forgotten about in a few weeks because we have abysmal amount of raids. But nobody cares about it. Why? Because most of the players who consider themselves as PvE community are just casuals who only do quests and normal non DLC dungeons. So if we compare PvP community and REAL PvE community (the one that actually fights the environment), then PvP has a lot more players.

But yeah classless system won't solve the issue.

ESO overall is irrelevant when it comes to raids and dungeons. They're too primitive and simplistic in comparison to WoW and FF.

Indoril_Nerevar

As a Templar, I can play all three roles exquisitely. I'd rather they removed the fees for changing skill points, attributes and CP... but I have no idea what you are going on about with these other changes and ***.

Its been too far down the road, thats not going to happen and it wouldnt work out well either.

Indoril_Nerevar

lol

what a typical forum

peace

Solariken

Yeah agree with OP. It's downright criminal that a Final Fantasy MMO offers more character freedom than an Elder Scrolls MMO.

TequilaFire

These guys always show up on the weekend when the mods are off.

Kikke

way back many many years when I was a young high elf. I was a dedicated mage. But then one day I found an amazing great-sword of DOOM. So I started to train with it. and not before long I was smashing faces with a great-sword instead of lightning spells, oh the rush! It was like a dream! tho, I put that great-sword down and went back to my magic now that I got older.

So I picket a mage, had a period in time of brawler style then went back to magic... That is by definition *play as you want*

Adam_Chattaway

Kikke wrote: »

way back many many years when I was a young high elf. I was a dedicated mage. But then one day I found an amazing great-sword of DOOM. So I started to train with it. and not before long I was smashing faces with a great-sword instead of lightning spells, oh the rush! It was like a dream! tho, I put that great-sword down and went back to my magic now that I got older.

So I picket a mage, had a period in time of brawler style then went back to magic... That is by definition *play as you want*

Enjoy being a healer lol

Eirikir

I use to be 100% for a class change. My reasons were simple enough, I work a lot of hours, am a father of two, and I don't want to spend the 1ish hour a day I get to play leveling a new toon. I wanted for a good while to change my DK to a temp or now even a Necro, but without losing my maxed mage, fighters, thieves, assassin's, and so on guilds, my mount skills, and my bags and shards. And gods above my very maxed out style and crafting skills.


I really want to make my dream stealth striking necromancer, but I just don't have the time. That said the devs have said before that there is a software reason we can't switch classes. I can except that answer. It's just the reality. People here mentioned FFXIV, and I've been a long term no breaks player there too since the ARR beta. They too have a lot of issues and problems that also seem to have obvious answers that can't be fixed because of base game coding.


So I guess as for class tokens I land in the middle. If they sold them tomorrow I'd buy one. But if it cannot be done I can live with that too.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

therift wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If I had a nickel for every entitlement thread in the forums ...

It's not entitlement it's called common sense for the good of the game. Theres a reason FFXIV is the 2nd top mmo there is and no 1 if you consider many from the top have now transferred to it... eso 100% completion on more than 1 char is cancer and doing it everytime theres a new class is insanity literally. Stop being a fanboy and open your *** eyes. FFXIV has the best class system period. I can play the new dancer or gun breaker classes without losing the last 6 years of progress I've done.

If you like it so much, you can keep playing it over there. We'll stay over here with all of our alts. Every game being the same is not a good a thing. Games need to be different to have an identity. Homogenization is not a good thing.

Why are you so ignorant to what is better? Do you not hear yourself? In what way is doing the same 3000 hours of content 6x a good thing? Are you honestly telling me you like and prefer this? Seriously think for 5 min of this is truly what you *** believe then reply.

I honestly prefer this. I thought for your 5 minutes, and yeah. I honestly prefer the way it is now. Since you don't prefer it, how about you find a different game to play?

Tell me why you think having all classes based on one global char is a bad idea? Because I can tell you most people would want it as it's a better way forward and ffxiv has proven it. Just because it's not in eso doesn't mean its not better just eso were too lazy and fanboys like you defend them. You cant give any reason other than acting like a fanboy defender of inferior system. Are esocgorums really this cancer?

I like each of my characters as themselves. Each one plays through content in a way that's important for that person. Yes, my characters are PEOPLE in their own right.

I have zero use for your suggestion. I think you need to go play a different game - this game and its ancestors are based in roleplay. Apparently you have no concept of that metric.

BTW - I've been playing RPGs since the mid 70s. I've been playing CRPGs since 1985. I spent years in WoW and RIFT. My game life has generally revolved around TES (culminating in ESO) since Arena released in March of 1994 (with some significant years in both WoW and RIFT when TES wasn't "just around the corner").

As far as all classes based on a global character, that's just silly. Each character is different - they do different things, approach combat in different ways, kill things with different spells/skills.

Why do you think a global character setup is a good idea? FWIW, I wouldn't touch ffwhatever with a hundred foot pole. Stupid game (in my own particular view of course). If you think ffwhatever is a great game, go play it.

If you think ff is stupid then you have problems buy as for rpg and eso you can be whatever you want it should not be locked on classes then given you the fake illusion sandbox by allowing you to equip heavy as a sorcerer or use a fire staff as a plate warrior etc. There is little class balance in eso and weaving in the combat system is a huge put off fir many of my friends who say it's a *** disgusting mechanic.

I don't play FFWhatever because everything about it - the weird-looking cartoony characters, the lack of classes, the combat system - is juvenile crap for kids.

That's my opinion. My opinion is 100% as valid as yours.

The difference between me and you is this: I don't go to FFWhatever forums and tell that game's fans that FFWhatever should be completely redesigned, the developers are lazy, and FFWhatever fans are idiots for liking their game.

See the childishness of the community here? Saying your post was awesome... *** me sideways what a bunch if *** kids. For a start there is FAR FAR FAR more classes in FF than ESO 3 new classes this expansion btw.

Stop spreding nonsence there is only 2

Blue Mage released early

Blue mage is a base game job added later like ninja

1 only need base game to use it
2 cant participate in shadowbringer content
3 level capped at 50 shadowbringer start at 70

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

therift wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If I had a nickel for every entitlement thread in the forums ...

It's not entitlement it's called common sense for the good of the game. Theres a reason FFXIV is the 2nd top mmo there is and no 1 if you consider many from the top have now transferred to it... eso 100% completion on more than 1 char is cancer and doing it everytime theres a new class is insanity literally. Stop being a fanboy and open your *** eyes. FFXIV has the best class system period. I can play the new dancer or gun breaker classes without losing the last 6 years of progress I've done.

If you like it so much, you can keep playing it over there. We'll stay over here with all of our alts. Every game being the same is not a good a thing. Games need to be different to have an identity. Homogenization is not a good thing.

Why are you so ignorant to what is better? Do you not hear yourself? In what way is doing the same 3000 hours of content 6x a good thing? Are you honestly telling me you like and prefer this? Seriously think for 5 min of this is truly what you *** believe then reply.

I honestly prefer this. I thought for your 5 minutes, and yeah. I honestly prefer the way it is now. Since you don't prefer it, how about you find a different game to play?

Tell me why you think having all classes based on one global char is a bad idea? Because I can tell you most people would want it as it's a better way forward and ffxiv has proven it. Just because it's not in eso doesn't mean its not better just eso were too lazy and fanboys like you defend them. You cant give any reason other than acting like a fanboy defender of inferior system. Are esocgorums really this cancer?

I like each of my characters as themselves. Each one plays through content in a way that's important for that person. Yes, my characters are PEOPLE in their own right.

I have zero use for your suggestion. I think you need to go play a different game - this game and its ancestors are based in roleplay. Apparently you have no concept of that metric.

BTW - I've been playing RPGs since the mid 70s. I've been playing CRPGs since 1985. I spent years in WoW and RIFT. My game life has generally revolved around TES (culminating in ESO) since Arena released in March of 1994 (with some significant years in both WoW and RIFT when TES wasn't "just around the corner").

As far as all classes based on a global character, that's just silly. Each character is different - they do different things, approach combat in different ways, kill things with different spells/skills.

Why do you think a global character setup is a good idea? FWIW, I wouldn't touch ffwhatever with a hundred foot pole. Stupid game (in my own particular view of course). If you think ffwhatever is a great game, go play it.

If you think ff is stupid then you have problems buy as for rpg and eso you can be whatever you want it should not be locked on classes then given you the fake illusion sandbox by allowing you to equip heavy as a sorcerer or use a fire staff as a plate warrior etc. There is little class balance in eso and weaving in the combat system is a huge put off fir many of my friends who say it's a *** disgusting mechanic.

I don't play FFWhatever because everything about it - the weird-looking cartoony characters, the lack of classes, the combat system - is juvenile crap for kids.

That's my opinion. My opinion is 100% as valid as yours.

The difference between me and you is this: I don't go to FFWhatever forums and tell that game's fans that FFWhatever should be completely redesigned, the developers are lazy, and FFWhatever fans are idiots for liking their game.

See the childishness of the community here? Saying your post was awesome... *** me sideways what a bunch if *** kids. For a start there is FAR FAR FAR more classes in FF than ESO 3 new classes this expansion btw.

Stop spreding nonsence there is only 2

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

ESO is better then FFXIV. If you like the other better then play that.

I luv ESO and playing all the classes, the build diversity, the beautiful landscapes, and the new content. I am excited to make three new necros and delete some maxed out characters to make some room. The grind and progression is part of the fun, it is what keeps things interesting. Each toon is like building a specialized race car to kill people, fitting my current playstyles.

I am just not happy over some of the nerfs, like dark cloak. For the magblade, it was the only decent burst heal that was a piece of the puzzle for some challenging 1 v X
2 v X fun in open field Cyro....

Though despite the whiners and the game performance, ESO is simply the mmo to play....

Your argument is lacking because if you played since day one like me then you wouldn't even suggest FFXIV as the better game.

Don't feed the troll. He has had plenty of meals in this thread as it is. Enjoy FFXIV

ESO endgame sucksnin every way possible. FFXIV has a much better community with trials raids and progression based on ever better gear and difficulty. Theres are dozens of trials in extreme and savage modes and raids also. This is all group content. What does eso have? Mainly pvp endgame because the only pve is vet dungeons for no rewards and a couple of raids thay dont compare to wow or ffxiv progression and challenge.

Clearly, ESO is not the game for you.

I just dont play eso for its lackluster pve endgame... or I would make an alt level fast skip most of the content and do it which is why I'm annoyed with new classes having to redo everything. I play for story and the lore and some pvp. Ffxiv for the wow successor.

If you play for the story and lore then what you're proposing as no bearing on your typical game play.

Yea it does because I want to be able to play thousands of hours in the world collecting and seeing and doing everything with the knowledge it not all going to be a complete waste of time when I make a new class and have to redo it all. I should be able to play as a macro and continue where I left off with all my progress intact so I dont feel like after 6 years I'm resetting everything I've worked for just to play with different skills...

I'm sorry to say, you will have to make a new character for new class skills. That's how this game was built. That's how all but one Elder Scrolls RPG was built. That's the system this game was built around, the series was built around. The devs have already talked about the technical implausibility of creating anything similar to a class change. They'd have to rewrite so much of the game's code, they might as well just make a new game. Oddly enough, Zenimax Online Studios is making a new game. Maybe they'll just copy/paste the build from your favorite game so you'll finally be happy.

But if I went archer in oblivion I didn't get 3 entire exclusive skill trees only available to that 1 class? Any class could do archery no? And slowly level it up. I will have to reinstall oblivion today and see.

Yes but your overall level wouldnt increase exept with your major skill

Lets say you make a archer but right of the bat you ditch your bow to play as a mageyou would stay level 1 because you dot level your archer skil so you ar stuck with a lv 1 mage

Gunbreaker
Dancer
Blue Mage

Blue mage is base game

Adam_Chattaway

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

therift wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If I had a nickel for every entitlement thread in the forums ...

It's not entitlement it's called common sense for the good of the game. Theres a reason FFXIV is the 2nd top mmo there is and no 1 if you consider many from the top have now transferred to it... eso 100% completion on more than 1 char is cancer and doing it everytime theres a new class is insanity literally. Stop being a fanboy and open your *** eyes. FFXIV has the best class system period. I can play the new dancer or gun breaker classes without losing the last 6 years of progress I've done.

If you like it so much, you can keep playing it over there. We'll stay over here with all of our alts. Every game being the same is not a good a thing. Games need to be different to have an identity. Homogenization is not a good thing.

Why are you so ignorant to what is better? Do you not hear yourself? In what way is doing the same 3000 hours of content 6x a good thing? Are you honestly telling me you like and prefer this? Seriously think for 5 min of this is truly what you *** believe then reply.

I honestly prefer this. I thought for your 5 minutes, and yeah. I honestly prefer the way it is now. Since you don't prefer it, how about you find a different game to play?

Tell me why you think having all classes based on one global char is a bad idea? Because I can tell you most people would want it as it's a better way forward and ffxiv has proven it. Just because it's not in eso doesn't mean its not better just eso were too lazy and fanboys like you defend them. You cant give any reason other than acting like a fanboy defender of inferior system. Are esocgorums really this cancer?

I like each of my characters as themselves. Each one plays through content in a way that's important for that person. Yes, my characters are PEOPLE in their own right.

I have zero use for your suggestion. I think you need to go play a different game - this game and its ancestors are based in roleplay. Apparently you have no concept of that metric.

BTW - I've been playing RPGs since the mid 70s. I've been playing CRPGs since 1985. I spent years in WoW and RIFT. My game life has generally revolved around TES (culminating in ESO) since Arena released in March of 1994 (with some significant years in both WoW and RIFT when TES wasn't "just around the corner").

As far as all classes based on a global character, that's just silly. Each character is different - they do different things, approach combat in different ways, kill things with different spells/skills.

Why do you think a global character setup is a good idea? FWIW, I wouldn't touch ffwhatever with a hundred foot pole. Stupid game (in my own particular view of course). If you think ffwhatever is a great game, go play it.

If you think ff is stupid then you have problems buy as for rpg and eso you can be whatever you want it should not be locked on classes then given you the fake illusion sandbox by allowing you to equip heavy as a sorcerer or use a fire staff as a plate warrior etc. There is little class balance in eso and weaving in the combat system is a huge put off fir many of my friends who say it's a *** disgusting mechanic.

I don't play FFWhatever because everything about it - the weird-looking cartoony characters, the lack of classes, the combat system - is juvenile crap for kids.

That's my opinion. My opinion is 100% as valid as yours.

The difference between me and you is this: I don't go to FFWhatever forums and tell that game's fans that FFWhatever should be completely redesigned, the developers are lazy, and FFWhatever fans are idiots for liking their game.

See the childishness of the community here? Saying your post was awesome... *** me sideways what a bunch if *** kids. For a start there is FAR FAR FAR more classes in FF than ESO 3 new classes this expansion btw.

Stop spreding nonsence there is only 2

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

ESO is better then FFXIV. If you like the other better then play that.

I luv ESO and playing all the classes, the build diversity, the beautiful landscapes, and the new content. I am excited to make three new necros and delete some maxed out characters to make some room. The grind and progression is part of the fun, it is what keeps things interesting. Each toon is like building a specialized race car to kill people, fitting my current playstyles.

I am just not happy over some of the nerfs, like dark cloak. For the magblade, it was the only decent burst heal that was a piece of the puzzle for some challenging 1 v X
2 v X fun in open field Cyro....

Though despite the whiners and the game performance, ESO is simply the mmo to play....

Your argument is lacking because if you played since day one like me then you wouldn't even suggest FFXIV as the better game.

Don't feed the troll. He has had plenty of meals in this thread as it is. Enjoy FFXIV

ESO endgame sucksnin every way possible. FFXIV has a much better community with trials raids and progression based on ever better gear and difficulty. Theres are dozens of trials in extreme and savage modes and raids also. This is all group content. What does eso have? Mainly pvp endgame because the only pve is vet dungeons for no rewards and a couple of raids thay dont compare to wow or ffxiv progression and challenge.

Clearly, ESO is not the game for you.

I just dont play eso for its lackluster pve endgame... or I would make an alt level fast skip most of the content and do it which is why I'm annoyed with new classes having to redo everything. I play for story and the lore and some pvp. Ffxiv for the wow successor.

If you play for the story and lore then what you're proposing as no bearing on your typical game play.

Yea it does because I want to be able to play thousands of hours in the world collecting and seeing and doing everything with the knowledge it not all going to be a complete waste of time when I make a new class and have to redo it all. I should be able to play as a macro and continue where I left off with all my progress intact so I dont feel like after 6 years I'm resetting everything I've worked for just to play with different skills...

I'm sorry to say, you will have to make a new character for new class skills. That's how this game was built. That's how all but one Elder Scrolls RPG was built. That's the system this game was built around, the series was built around. The devs have already talked about the technical implausibility of creating anything similar to a class change. They'd have to rewrite so much of the game's code, they might as well just make a new game. Oddly enough, Zenimax Online Studios is making a new game. Maybe they'll just copy/paste the build from your favorite game so you'll finally be happy.

But if I went archer in oblivion I didn't get 3 entire exclusive skill trees only available to that 1 class? Any class could do archery no? And slowly level it up. I will have to reinstall oblivion today and see.

Yes but your overall level wouldnt increase exept with your major skill

Lets say you make a archer but right of the bat you ditch your bow to play as a mageyou would stay level 1 because you dot level your archer skil so you ar stuck with a lv 1 mage

Gunbreaker
Dancer
Blue Mage

Blue mage is base game

Final Fantasy XIV Fan Fest in Las Vegas last year was the news that not only that “multiple new jobs” are on their way to the game, but we’d be getting one before the major 5.0 expansion, Shadowbringers.

It is an expansion class added before the expansion and lvl limited because of balance issues. was released early to gain information pretty much and balance.

wolfie1.0.

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If I had a nickel for every entitlement thread in the forums ...

It's not entitlement it's called common sense for the good of the game. Theres a reason FFXIV is the 2nd top mmo there is and no 1 if you consider many from the top have now transferred to it... eso 100% completion on more than 1 char is cancer and doing it everytime theres a new class is insanity literally. Stop being a fanboy and open your *** eyes. FFXIV has the best class system period. I can play the new dancer or gun breaker classes without losing the last 6 years of progress I've done.

If you like it so much, you can keep playing it over there. We'll stay over here with all of our alts. Every game being the same is not a good a thing. Games need to be different to have an identity. Homogenization is not a good thing.

Why are you so ignorant to what is better? Do you not hear yourself? In what way is doing the same 3000 hours of content 6x a good thing? Are you honestly telling me you like and prefer this? Seriously think for 5 min of this is truly what you *** believe then reply.

I honestly prefer this. I thought for your 5 minutes, and yeah. I honestly prefer the way it is now. Since you don't prefer it, how about you find a different game to play?

Tell me why you think having all classes based on one global char is a bad idea? Because I can tell you most people would want it as it's a better way forward and ffxiv has proven it. Just because it's not in eso doesn't mean its not better just eso were too lazy and fanboys like you defend them. You cant give any reason other than acting like a fanboy defender of inferior system. Are esocgorums really this cancer?

Please do not make assumptions about me and my play style. Please do not use the term " Most people" as an argument unless you have empirical evidence to support such a claim. Please also do not make assumptions about people that decide that they like this game the way it is. You are entitled to your opinion and others theirs. Rather than attacking people directly it is always better to develop your argument better. do you not realize that the same fanboy argument can be used for FFXIV? Especially considering that that series has been around a lot longer? Dont forget that that game has/had it's own problems. Also consider there may be legal or technical reasons that eso cant copy parts of another game. Different engines, different scopes, different code, different goals. Have you ever stopped to consider that the current grind for achievements and class skills is what the game devs want? And that there may be people out there that actually like it that way?

Adam_Chattaway

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If I had a nickel for every entitlement thread in the forums ...

It's not entitlement it's called common sense for the good of the game. Theres a reason FFXIV is the 2nd top mmo there is and no 1 if you consider many from the top have now transferred to it... eso 100% completion on more than 1 char is cancer and doing it everytime theres a new class is insanity literally. Stop being a fanboy and open your *** eyes. FFXIV has the best class system period. I can play the new dancer or gun breaker classes without losing the last 6 years of progress I've done.

If you like it so much, you can keep playing it over there. We'll stay over here with all of our alts. Every game being the same is not a good a thing. Games need to be different to have an identity. Homogenization is not a good thing.

Why are you so ignorant to what is better? Do you not hear yourself? In what way is doing the same 3000 hours of content 6x a good thing? Are you honestly telling me you like and prefer this? Seriously think for 5 min of this is truly what you *** believe then reply.

I honestly prefer this. I thought for your 5 minutes, and yeah. I honestly prefer the way it is now. Since you don't prefer it, how about you find a different game to play?

Tell me why you think having all classes based on one global char is a bad idea? Because I can tell you most people would want it as it's a better way forward and ffxiv has proven it. Just because it's not in eso doesn't mean its not better just eso were too lazy and fanboys like you defend them. You cant give any reason other than acting like a fanboy defender of inferior system. Are esocgorums really this cancer?

Please do not make assumptions about me and my play style. Please do not use the term " Most people" as an argument unless you have empirical evidence to support such a claim. Please also do not make assumptions about people that decide that they like this game the way it is. You are entitled to your opinion and others theirs. Rather than attacking people directly it is always better to develop your argument better. do you not realize that the same fanboy argument can be used for FFXIV? Especially considering that that series has been around a lot longer? Dont forget that that game has/had it's own problems. Also consider there may be legal or technical reasons that eso cant copy parts of another game. Different engines, different scopes, different code, different goals. Have you ever stopped to consider that the current grind for achievements and class skills is what the game devs want? And that there may be people out there that actually like it that way?

Most MMO's these days have account wide Achievements etc because even those devs can see achievement grind across alts is utterly ***. If you ask the majority of players if they would like to be able to have ONE Name, One Char and be able to play all content, unlock all achievements and do all story on ONE char without needing to roll alts and do it ALL over again i bet without a doubt most will say yes.

I've used the same name for 18 years of playing MMO's the same name in every game, you know what annoys me? having to make 10 names which i dont like or want. I don't like having to tell people to add my 10 alts and forget who i am or who they are because remembering 500 names for 50 people.

In real life I'm a Longbow Archer, I can also train with a Longsword and Spear and i don;t have to ask my mother to rebirth me to learn new skills... 1 Char should be able to remain with his name and progress and change roles. Many people quit MMO's because of lack of time, they grow up, get jobs, a GF, have kids. They inc myself don;t wanna redo thousands of hours of content to feel like they're back to where they were.

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