Reduced DK Corrosive Armor cost

Davadin

Considering all the changes coming in PTS, I feel like ZOS overlook the biggest problem with one of the most beloved Ulti on DK, yet rarely used outside tanking in PvE or the very rare PvP.


It costs too damn much.

It's only a few seconds worth of immortality and full penetration cheese... but when penetration is already the name of the game in PvP and end-game content, it's not as effective as its theory.

Can't we have at least,
a. 150 ulti reduced from 200; or,
b. make the duration up to 20 sec on the base level.

olsborg

Rarely used in pvp? Huh?? Seriously? 🥴

Davadin

olsborg wrote: »

Rarely used in pvp? Huh?? Seriously? 🥴

PC NA Vivec regular customer here. Big zerg or small groups, DK ends up using Leap or Dawnbreakers. Maybe the Psijic one for the 8% reduce. Or 1H/S one.

BG however, I see it a couple times on Chaos Ball...?

Ayastigi

Corrosive is one of the strongest single target ultimates in the game it's cost should be high. Let's not touch this skill

olsborg

On pc eu its widely used. Specially the last 3 months. Its such a strong ulti it insane. Isnt it increased in duration in elsweyr btw?

Koolio

Davadin wrote: »

Considering all the changes coming in PTS, I feel like ZOS overlook the biggest problem with one of the most beloved Ulti on DK, yet rarely used outside tanking in PvE or the very rare PvP.


It costs too damn much.

It's only a few seconds worth of immortality and full penetration cheese... but when penetration is already the name of the game in PvP and end-game content, it's not as effective as its theory.

Can't we have at least,
a. 150 ulti reduced from 200; or,
b. make the duration up to 20 sec on the base level.

You would lose sustain. 1750 H/M/S upon activating roughly.

Higher cost ultimate=More Sustain

ArenGesus

I don't use it due to the cost because I'm always popping ultis like a madman so never have enough built up. But it doesn't need a change - it's a crazy good ult and the cost is actually pretty reasonable. I don't know why god mode should be cheap.

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

Koolio wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Considering all the changes coming in PTS, I feel like ZOS overlook the biggest problem with one of the most beloved Ulti on DK, yet rarely used outside tanking in PvE or the very rare PvP.


It costs too damn much.

It's only a few seconds worth of immortality and full penetration cheese... but when penetration is already the name of the game in PvP and end-game content, it's not as effective as its theory.

Can't we have at least,
a. 150 ulti reduced from 200; or,
b. make the duration up to 20 sec on the base level.

You would lose sustain. 1750 H/M/S upon activating roughly.

Higher cost ultimate=More Sustain

But sustain for a DK is a balancing act. It isn't about using the highest cost ult. If you do that, you won't be sustaining cause you won't be using your ult enough. If your ult is too low, you won't be getting lots in return. Soooo, you need a middle ground. I think reducing the cost is fine. Even if it's 175 or 150

Ragnarock41

It has a reasonable cost for what it does actually. Its not a weak ultimate, nor an overperforming one. Don't try to fix what is not broken.

Arcanasx

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

It has a reasonable cost for what it does actually. Its not a weak ultimate, nor an overperforming one. Don't try to fix what is not broken.

Agreed. Its fine the way it is.

sneakymitchell

Be tanky for 10s while the Necromancer ulti you can’t regen ulti.

DKsUnite

It's used by every stam DK in open world pretty much. And it's the go to for duels.

goldenarcher1

Perfect for fighting Crem. guards in VMA.

MentalxHammer

The only reason it might not be as widely used as leap is because people dont want to feel like they are cheezing, this skill is overpowered if anything it should cost 225

usmcjdking

Pretty incredibly broken skill in duels and by far the most oppressive ult in the game. I'm a fan of reducing the duration and the cost TBH.

NyassaV

I understand your argument and I get it but Corrosive is one of the most powerful ults in the game as it’s defensive and offensive and then it has battle roar attached to it which makes it double defensive

laissezfaire

Koolio wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Considering all the changes coming in PTS, I feel like ZOS overlook the biggest problem with one of the most beloved Ulti on DK, yet rarely used outside tanking in PvE or the very rare PvP.


It costs too damn much.

It's only a few seconds worth of immortality and full penetration cheese... but when penetration is already the name of the game in PvP and end-game content, it's not as effective as its theory.

Can't we have at least,
a. 150 ulti reduced from 200; or,
b. make the duration up to 20 sec on the base level.

You would lose sustain. 1750 H/M/S upon activating roughly.

Higher cost ultimate=More Sustain

That isn't true. The sustain a DK gets from battle roar is dependent on the rate in which they gain ultimate not the cost of the ultimate.

Davadin

DKsUnite wrote: »

It's used by every stam DK in open world pretty much. And it's the go to for duels.

olsborg wrote: »

On pc eu its widely used. Specially the last 3 months. Its such a strong ulti it insane. Isnt it increased in duration in elsweyr btw?

what do the build looks like in pc eu for sDK that uses this?

what's the other ulti?

I'm curious. I'm trying to like it but in open world where it's a massive fight, i end up using the other ulti, whether it's leap, DB or anything... just because anything is more effective outside a duel or 1vX scenarios.

and I'm a Nord. i build ulti. i leap a lot. but how are people using this? what skill comes next? what do u do in the next 10 sec to maximize this?

does CA buff DoT? its useless for bleed that already bypasses resist. with nox breath, enemies already got their resist lowered.....

enlighten me, guys and girls.


tell me how this skill is "very OP" for the 200 ulti cost?

Davadin

... wait... is this ulti a MagDK thing? are sDK even using this in EU?

DKsUnite

You literally dot someone up and pop corrosive and start going into your spammable. You literally just melt through people

Wing

I found corrosive to be a niche ult like berserkers strike.

it costs too much, and is not as effective as one would hope it to be. sure you can get kills with it, but there is probably not a single situation where you would not have gotten that same kill with DB or leap.

people tend to either have so much armor that they are a tank and will STILL just heal through your damage, or be a glass cannon to the point that the pen is overkill on top of whatever pen you already have, and will once again heal through it.

that an pvp is effectively about burst, corrosive does not burst, and the damage cap may sound nice, in practice once again its not that effective.

I tried to run it for a while but found its decent survival ult, and a decent offensive ult, but worse then either, and too expensive. running SB ult or Psijic for the minor protection and possible outplay potential, then leap or DB on offensive bar is just better.

trying to hedge your bets by going with one of the most expensive ults in the game that does neither great offensive or defense is going to end up leading to disappointment, especially as DK lacks burst and executes and that's usually made up through ults, sacrificing your ult for more consistent dot mediocrity is going all in on a playstyle that does not work in pvp.

Aedaryl

Wing wrote: »

I found corrosive to be a niche ult like berserkers strike.

it costs too much, and is not as effective as one would hope it to be. sure you can get kills with it, but there is probably not a single situation where you would not have gotten that same kill with DB or leap.

people tend to either have so much armor that they are a tank and will STILL just heal through your damage, or be a glass cannon to the point that the pen is overkill on top of whatever pen you already have, and will once again heal through it.

that an pvp is effectively about burst, corrosive does not burst, and the damage cap may sound nice, in practice once again its not that effective.

I tried to run it for a while but found its decent survival ult, and a decent offensive ult, but worse then either, and too expensive. running SB ult or Psijic for the minor protection and possible outplay potential, then leap or DB on offensive bar is just better.

trying to hedge your bets by going with one of the most expensive ults in the game that does neither great offensive or defense is going to end up leading to disappointment, especially as DK lacks burst and executes and that's usually made up through ults, sacrificing your ult for more consistent dot mediocrity is going all in on a playstyle that does not work in pvp.

You don't get it. What make Corrosive one of the best ulti in the game is the fact that it's both a strong offensive AND defensive ultimate at the same time.

The more skilled is your opponent, the better corrosive is.

Stomping noobs will be better with DBoS, and backing will be better with a S&B ulti.

But for killing a competitive tanky player or for being able to deal with 2 decent player, corrosive will be BiS, and the best ulti to do that in the all game.

LeifErickson

If anything this ult needs a nerf.

lucky_Sage

It should make it where you ignore spell resistance as well
Magdks need a ult other than leap

Xsorus

DKsUnite wrote: »

You literally dot someone up and pop corrosive and start going into your spammable. You literally just melt through people

This, Corrosive is used on Stam DK dot builds..super good ult

Ragnarock41

LeifErickson wrote: »

If anything this ult needs a nerf.

Sure if they gave us real passives and actually viable stamina skills, instead of garbage, then why not. Otherwise please stay away from the one and only thing that allows this class to end fights without taking 30 minutes.

That being said the current Tank meta and lack of strong penetration sets is also an issue. I believe nerfing sets like Spriggan/TFS along with other penetration sources was a big mistake in PvP meta, Everyone got a lot tankier as a result of it, And while that made corrosive armor really really good, it also made the overall gameplay a lot worse.

juhislihis19

Strange. On PS4 EU I've seen Corrosive being used maybe once during my 18 months of gameplay.

It's a travesty that the cost is same with Permafrost (which gives amazing mitigation to you and your friends, better damage, CC). Not to mention Corrosive is still buggy time to time and lets more damage in than the 3%.

Can someone honestly say they see Corrosive being used more than Perma? Anyone seen a group of DK's all with Corrosives? What about a group of Wardens with Permafrost?

Sure in duels it's probably great but so are Sloads, Blessed and other wonky sets. Dueling is not an argument, since they often have strict rules about sets, skills etc.

ArenGesus

juhislihis19 wrote: »

Strange. On PS4 EU I've seen Corrosive being used maybe once during my 18 months of gameplay.

It's a travesty that the cost is same with Permafrost (which gives amazing mitigation to you and your friends, better damage, CC). Not to mention Corrosive is still buggy time to time and lets more damage in than the 3%.

Can someone honestly say they see Corrosive being used more than Perma? Anyone seen a group of DK's all with Corrosives? What about a group of Wardens with Permafrost?

Sure in duels it's probably great but so are Sloads, Blessed and other wonky sets. Dueling is not an argument, since they often have strict rules about sets, skills etc.

It's not used anywhere near as much as perma. But there aren't nearly as many stam DKs as their are wardens, from what I can see. And perma is getting a nerf next patch, so not sure how that will change things yet.

LeifErickson

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

If anything this ult needs a nerf.

Sure if they gave us real passives and actually viable stamina skills, instead of garbage, then why not. Otherwise please stay away from the one and only thing that allows this class to end fights without taking 30 minutes.

That being said the current Tank meta and lack of strong penetration sets is also an issue. I believe nerfing sets like Spriggan/TFS along with other penetration sources was a big mistake in PvP meta, Everyone got a lot tankier as a result of it, And while that made corrosive armor really really good, it also made the overall gameplay a lot worse.

I mean stamdk is a top pvp spec so I don't agree with you at all. Probably top 3 overall.

Ayastigi

We have to stop being so biased on the forums. Or at least not be so obvious about it. Corrosive is a great ultimate. Anyone who says otherwise is out of touch. It's not niche it's one of the strongest single target ulti's in the game if not the strongest. It's needed in the kit in certain situations as it gives stam dks the ability to secure kills against high level targets instead of fighting for an hour so it def has a place. If zos decides to change it then they also need to address stam dk passives to compensate.

Aedaryl

juhislihis19 wrote: »

Strange. On PS4 EU I've seen Corrosive being used maybe once during my 18 months of gameplay.

It's a travesty that the cost is same with Permafrost (which gives amazing mitigation to you and your friends, better damage, CC). Not to mention Corrosive is still buggy time to time and lets more damage in than the 3%.

Can someone honestly say they see Corrosive being used more than Perma? Anyone seen a group of DK's all with Corrosives? What about a group of Wardens with Permafrost?

Sure in duels it's probably great but so are Sloads, Blessed and other wonky sets. Dueling is not an argument, since they often have strict rules about sets, skills etc.

Permafrost deal more damage than corrosive ?

You don't understand what penetrating 100% someone mean.

A tanky character (resistance capped) will take between 40%(u already have some penetration) to 50% more damage from all ur attack for the duration of the ultimate.

The damage boost it can give is more than twice stronger than the incap one.

The less resistance the ennemy have, the less powerfull corrosive is, but the meta is all about tankiness so....