Dragon Blood and Dragon Bile

Tyrobag

So I went ahead and tested the two new reagents, and found some glaring issues.

The biggest issue is with the Bile, it contains both the invisibility and detection effects, rendering half the ingredient inert. (For those who do not know, mixing an effect with its counter effect in a potion results in negating the effect.)



In my opinion the detect effect should be changed to a restore magicka effect. This would also address the second issue, that you can make Stamina/Ulti Pots, but not Magicka/Ulti pots. It doesn't feel right that only stam characters should have access to this new source of minor heroism (without giving up an essential source of sustain).




The final issue is that mixing the heroism effect into a poison does nothing, it results in an inert poison. Not necessarily a huge issue, but it is the only effect that behaves this way so it seems like a bug.



All in all I like the idea of the new ingredients and the new effect, I just feel that they need to be adjusted to meld better with the existing alchemy system and to be accessible for both stam and mag playstyles.

Tyrobag

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Deep_01

Take my insightful.

Blinkin8r

Detect and invis on the same reagent? lmao

kookster

As a stam player, i feel mag should have access to lingering hp if they want. So I totally agree with changing one of the invis to add mag. Personally i would prefer to keep the invis detect.

JAwtunes

kookster wrote: »

As a stam player, i feel mag should have access to lingering hp if they want. So I totally agree with changing one of the invis to add mag. Personally i would prefer to keep the invis detect.

Agreed. Mag needs more diversity in potion options.

OlumoGarbag

So no one is talking about the fact that each single pot will cost the same amount a gold buff food is costing now? The pots will not be usable for anyone anyways, even worse then summerset pots

Jaxaxo

Yep, ZOS, dont make same mistake like with Summerset.
Afaik mother of pearls are ALCHEMY indegrients. Tho cuz of rarity and price almost nobody is using them for anything except golden food (which prices are getting higher and higher). What's the point of adding new alchemy indegrients, when their drop rate is just so low that it limits their use in any kind of gameplay? Why we get things that looks "nice", but due too mechanics we can just dream about this. It's like adding new amazing crafted set with requirement of 10 known traits.
Consider increasing drop chance/make it drop from more things/adding this too IC alchemy boxes/any other idea ppl on forum have
Just give us way to actually use those indegrients

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Tyrobag

Jaxaxo wrote: »

Yep, ZOS, dont make same mistake like with Summerset.
Afaik mother of pearls are ALCHEMY indegrients. Tho cuz of rarity and price almost nobody is using them for anything except golden food (which prices are getting higher and higher). What's the point of adding new alchemy indegrients, when their drop rate is just so low that it limits their use in any kind of gameplay? Why we get things that looks "nice", but due too mechanics we can just dream about this. It's like adding new amazing crafted set with requirement of 10 known traits.
Consider increasing drop chance/make it drop from more things/adding this too IC alchemy boxes/any other idea ppl on forum have
Just give us way to actually use those indegrients

@ZOS_GinaBruno

I hadn't actually tested the droprates, if this is true than I 100% agree. I had been assuming that each dragon would drop 3-5 of each or something, since that would be somewhat reasonable for use in alchemy while still keeping it fairly rare.

That is also a logical amount. A massive dead dragon is right there, why could I not take its blood?

Heck I'm probably covered in its blood.

phantasmalD

I have not seen this particular issue addressed in the patch notes, this is yet to get fixed, right?

Please ZoS, don't release Dragon's Bile in this half-broken state, replace detection with Restore Magicka.

Excelsus

I agree with the magicka. But the rarity seems fine to me, its ok to have a powerful buff that you use to give yourself an edge in certain situations. Minor heroism potions shouldn't become something you can just chug through the whole trial like power and tri pots.

Ryanoxx

Tyrobag wrote: »

So I went ahead and tested the two new reagents, and found some glaring issues.

The biggest issue is with the Bile, it contains both the invisibility and detection effects, rendering half the ingredient inert. (For those who do not know, mixing an effect with its counter effect in a potion results in negating the effect.)



In my opinion the detect effect should be changed to a restore magicka effect. This would also address the second issue, that you can make Stamina/Ulti Pots, but not Magicka/Ulti pots. It doesn't feel right that only stam characters should have access to this new source of minor heroism (without giving up an essential source of sustain).




The final issue is that mixing the heroism effect into a poison does nothing, it results in an inert poison. Not necessarily a huge issue, but it is the only effect that behaves this way so it seems like a bug.



All in all I like the idea of the new ingredients and the new effect, I just feel that they need to be adjusted to meld better with the existing alchemy system and to be accessible for both stam and mag playstyles.

The poison works now. I agree with the Magicka bonus. I mainly play Dk and on stam i already have access to minor heroism by using heroic slash and on my magDK i can't use the potions and don't have any access to minor heroism. I would have to give up a set for it and thats not working. I also think that the ingredients are too rare. It is the same like with the last 2 ingredients they added. Noone uses it because ots way too rare and potions or poison are way too expensive to use. This just makes it a joke. I killed some Dragons and the sometimes I didn't get any ingredient or got one. Thats it... Please look at the Guildstores at PC EU and search for the lately added ingredients. You will find tons of them but noone buys it because it is more than 3k per ingredient which results in around 1k gold per potion if you craft them yourself. I would just drink 1k gold every 45 seconds during a fight. Not worth it. The minor heroism Potions arent as strong anyway so why making it super rare? The Poison are a little too much with the Healabsorbtion. Remove the Healabsorbtion, btw I don't know why it's there anyway, doesn't have to do anything with the ingredients effects and make it restore 1 ultimate per second for flat 8 seconds. Not everyone has 10h a day to farm these ingredients or get millions of gold to buy them. I would like to make some builds with it but I can't because of its rarity. @ZOS_GinaBruno

HankTwo

A positive and it's corresponding negative effect on the same ingredient? Wtf ZOS xP