Godslayer title

T3hasiangod

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

All BS aside, it is a bit hypocritical to not allow "God/god" in a character name, but allow it in a title. I bet the inflammatory types would like to make religious troll comments through character names, and ESO is just avoiding that whole thing.

"Did you really slay a deity?"
'Well, it was actually a false god.'
"Hmm, so if I kill that big sea viper over there, do I get the Dragonslayer Wyvernslayer title?
'I don't make titles, I earn them.'

I mean, my userID clearly has god in it, and i have not been asked to change it. Soooooo...

Banana

Its a game people

Olupajmibanan

You all act like if there will be tons of people running with Godslayer title. There will be not, just like TTT this is title that you can't get carried to and you can't buy it with your meaningless tenths milions of gold.

How about being grateful? If I complete vSunspire on hard mode with speed run and no-death at once, I will gladly wear the title it offers, be it Godslayer, Budhaslayer or Whateverslayer.

Girl_Number8

Banana wrote: »

Its a game people

Very true Banana

Cheezits94

You do realize the "God" in the "Godslayer" title in a video game set in a fantasy world with dragons and magic does not refer to the (Christian?) God you choose to believe in in the real world, right?

Prutton

Cheezits94 wrote: »

You do realize the "God" in the "Godslayer" title in a video game set in a fantasy world with dragons and magic does not refer to the (Christian?) God you choose to believe in in the real world, right?

Their god was also killed when it came to Earth, according to their mythology.

NordSwordnBoard

T3hasiangod wrote: »

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

All BS aside, it is a bit hypocritical to not allow "God/god" in a character name, but allow it in a title. I bet the inflammatory types would like to make religious troll comments through character names, and ESO is just avoiding that whole thing.

"Did you really slay a deity?"
'Well, it was actually a false god.'
"Hmm, so if I kill that big sea viper over there, do I get the Dragonslayer Wyvernslayer title?
'I don't make titles, I earn them.'

I mean, my userID clearly has god in it, and i have not been asked to change it. Soooooo...

Soooo.... Do you think your name bypasses filters, or do you think they are cool with it? Is it the capital G usage that matters? I've never tried to put God/god in a character name before, so I took what is said here at face value:

irswat wrote: »

Zacuel wrote: »

If it offends rl religious people. Well that's just an added bonus.

this real life religious person has contributed quite a deal to the ESO community. It's a good thing you don't represent the community, because if ESO was comprised of people who get their jollies off from the plight of others, then this would be a community I want nothing to do with.

Another thing I don't get is, if I tried making a character named "Gods' not dead" I wouldn't be allowed to because ZOS sensitivity to religious and political matters, but Godslayer? no problem

I'm not promoting anything, and if they ban a name like JesusisGod alongside GodisDead, I get it and I'm fine with that. Some names will escape the filters they have too. I've seen characters with names that are titles in the game as well. I'm curious about what the standards are here. Will I be able to make the name Godslayer? Allahslayer? Godslawyer? Maybe consoles are bound by stricter rules than PC? (probably)

Also, @irswat about the "jollies" - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/474231/a-gentlemans-guide-to-teabagging/p1

BrianLovesLisa

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

T3hasiangod wrote: »

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

All BS aside, it is a bit hypocritical to not allow "God/god" in a character name, but allow it in a title. I bet the inflammatory types would like to make religious troll comments through character names, and ESO is just avoiding that whole thing.

"Did you really slay a deity?"
'Well, it was actually a false god.'
"Hmm, so if I kill that big sea viper over there, do I get the Dragonslayer Wyvernslayer title?
'I don't make titles, I earn them.'

I mean, my userID clearly has god in it, and i have not been asked to change it. Soooooo...

Soooo.... Do you think your name bypasses filters, or do you think they are cool with it? Is it the capital G usage that matters? I've never tried to put God/god in a character name before, so I took what is said here at face value:

irswat wrote: »

Zacuel wrote: »

If it offends rl religious people. Well that's just an added bonus.

this real life religious person has contributed quite a deal to the ESO community. It's a good thing you don't represent the community, because if ESO was comprised of people who get their jollies off from the plight of others, then this would be a community I want nothing to do with.

Another thing I don't get is, if I tried making a character named "Gods' not dead" I wouldn't be allowed to because ZOS sensitivity to religious and political matters, but Godslayer? no problem

I'm not promoting anything, and if they ban a name like JesusisGod alongside GodisDead, I get it and I'm fine with that. Some names will escape the filters they have too. I've seen characters with names that are titles in the game as well. I'm curious about what the standards are here. Will I be able to make the name Godslayer? Allahslayer? Godslawyer? Maybe consoles are bound by stricter rules than PC? (probably)

Also, @irswat about the "jollies" - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/474231/a-gentlemans-guide-to-teabagging/p1

Allah is fake.

irswat

when I got Immortal Redeemer I tried changing my name to Jesus is my, and God is my...and I was unable to due to censorship. However, my religious convictions may be part of the reason i'm uneasy with Godslayer, the argument continges not on religious persuasion, but on consistency of lore. Other people are the ones who explicitly decided to bring my religious beliefs into this, but I'm not wholly a fool, and that is not primarily what the OP was about. The OP was about the trial being about false-gods. This is confirmed by the language they use in the trial itself, in their press release, and even the set false-gods devotion. The title Godslayer, if attempting to understand it as consistent with lore, can only be done as such if one assumes the title to implicity mean "God" slayer, a sort of tongue in cheek jab at the false 'god' who is the final boss of the trial.

A second argument against the title Godslayer arises, because ZOS would not allow me to make a character named Godslayer, so to make a title Godslayer seems an inconsistent application of their censorship policies.

As far as religious arguments go, and I expect the trolls to come biting on this one, but that is not my intention. My intention is rather to help someone who otherwise wouldn't understand, understand, why the title Godslayer might be offesnive for a 'religious' person. If you want to understand why this might be offensive to a religious person consider that the three monotheistic religions in this world reserve the word God (note the capitalization) for the Supreme Being, the Creator. Some stricter adherents of Judaism, for example, consider the name God to be so sacred, they dare not even spell it out, but prefer to type 'G-d'. If the title were indeed godslayer (note the capitalization), it wouldn't really be offensive, because a god is by definition understood as not the Supreme Being who created the universe.

As far as this last argument goes, I could easily point out that ZOS has proudly gone to great lengths to honor tolerance and sensitivity to the population of sexual minorities who play this. If ZOS were to act justly then according to the same principle they ought to go to great lengths to not alienate or ostracize religious populations.

Kyoma

irswat wrote: »

If the title were indeed godslayer (note the capitalization), it wouldn't really be offensive, because a god is definition understood as not the Supreme Being who created the universe.

The problem is that, as a title, it'll start with a capital. Not to signify that it is about slaying the one true god but merely because it is a title and as such it is displayed with a capital. Now if this was all about "Slayer of God" then I could see the argument but it isn't. And no matter how sacred people consider the word, at the end of the day it is also, simply a word. A concept within the english language. People cannot claim it is theirs and take offense to anything that simply uses the word "god".

Also (not strictly directed at you), there is a big difference in having some player have it in their name and them having it as a title.

Prutton

BrianLovesLisa wrote: »

Allah is fake.

All gods are fake, so what is your point?

irswat

I appreciate the respectful and thought out replies from some peoples, even where we disagree.

Elwendryll

Waffennacht wrote: »

@DoonerSeraph you're more correct than you know; in TES the "true gods" (Aedra/Daedra etc) are immortal. To destroy their physical form means nothing as they simply reform in Oblivion.

So are dragons, they'll reform in the trial as soon as you disband the group or change difficulty.

Zacuel

Should go door to door.

I hear people really like that.

Svenja

Arguing about whether the correct wording is "God" or "false God" is really funny considering we were apparently tormenting "Tick Tocks" instead of Dwemer Constructs and nobody bat an eye about that.

jypcy

Svenja wrote: »

Arguing about whether the correct wording is "God" or "false God" is really funny considering we were apparently tormenting "Tick Tocks" instead of Dwemer Constructs and nobody bat an eye about that.

Or ya know the achievement “Mountain God” having been in the game for over a year now without drawing any criticism of its wording that I could find.

Surak73

Wolfahm wrote: »

You need to take your god fetish out of this games lore and detach yourself from your real life fantasy. The title is based on the Gods of Elderscrolls. Not based on Earth Mythology.

The Godslayer title is fitting for the trial at hand. and has nothing to do with the one in your head.

Diplomacy is not your cup of tea...

Strider__Roshin

irswat wrote: »

when I got Immortal Redeemer I tried changing my name to Jesus is my, and God is my...and I was unable to due to censorship. However, my religious convictions may be part of the reason i'm uneasy with Godslayer, the argument continges not on religious persuasion, but on consistency of lore. Other people are the ones who explicitly decided to bring my religious beliefs into this, but I'm not wholly a fool, and that is not primarily what the OP was about. The OP was about the trial being about false-gods. This is confirmed by the language they use in the trial itself, in their press release, and even the set false-gods devotion. The title Godslayer, if attempting to understand it as consistent with lore, can only be done as such if one assumes the title to implicity mean "God" slayer, a sort of tongue in cheek jab at the false 'god' who is the final boss of the trial.

A second argument against the title Godslayer arises, because ZOS would not allow me to make a character named Godslayer, so to make a title Godslayer seems an inconsistent application of their censorship policies.

As far as religious arguments go, and I expect the trolls to come biting on this one, but that is not my intention. My intention is rather to help someone who otherwise wouldn't understand, understand, why the title Godslayer might be offesnive for a 'religious' person. If you want to understand why this might be offensive to a religious person consider that the three monotheistic religions in this world reserve the word God (note the capitalization) for the Supreme Being, the Creator. Some stricter adherents of Judaism, for example, consider the name God to be so sacred, they dare not even spell it out, but prefer to type 'G-d'. If the title were indeed godslayer (note the capitalization), it wouldn't really be offensive, because a god is by definition understood as not the Supreme Being who created the universe.

As far as this last argument goes, I could easily point out that ZOS has proudly gone to great lengths to honor tolerance and sensitivity to the population of sexual minorities who play this. If ZOS were to act justly then according to the same principle they ought to go to great lengths to not alienate or ostracize religious populations.

I appreciate the effort you've made for this, but I'm pretty confident ZOS isn't as concerned about the religious community as they are about the homosexual/transgender community. It would be nice to be proven wrong though.

I made a thread about looking for a Christian community in ESO a couple years back and it got shut down for bringing real world religion into the forums, but you see LGBT guild recruitment/celebrations all the time. It would be nice if the partiality wasn't so obvious.

But hey, kudos for your efforts bud!

Prutton

Daus wrote: »

I appreciate the effort you've made for this, but I'm pretty confident ZOS isn't as concerned about the religious community as they are about the homosexual/transgender community. It would be nice to be proven wrong though.

I made a thread about looking for a Christian community in ESO a couple years back and it got shut down for bringing real world religion into the forums, but you see LGBT guild recruitment/celebrations all the time. It would be nice if the partiality wasn't so obvious.

But hey, kudos for your efforts bud!

God does not exist. LGBT people, on the other hand, are very real.

Zacuel

Shame on you intolerant religious people... Shame.

Strider__Roshin

Prutton wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

I appreciate the effort you've made for this, but I'm pretty confident ZOS isn't as concerned about the religious community as they are about the homosexual/transgender community. It would be nice to be proven wrong though.

I made a thread about looking for a Christian community in ESO a couple years back and it got shut down for bringing real world religion into the forums, but you see LGBT guild recruitment/celebrations all the time. It would be nice if the partiality wasn't so obvious.

But hey, kudos for your efforts bud!

God does not exist. LGBT people, on the other hand, are very real.

God is very real, and for your sake I hope you discover this one day. Have a great day.

DisgracefulMind

Daus wrote: »

Prutton wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

I appreciate the effort you've made for this, but I'm pretty confident ZOS isn't as concerned about the religious community as they are about the homosexual/transgender community. It would be nice to be proven wrong though.

I made a thread about looking for a Christian community in ESO a couple years back and it got shut down for bringing real world religion into the forums, but you see LGBT guild recruitment/celebrations all the time. It would be nice if the partiality wasn't so obvious.

But hey, kudos for your efforts bud!

God does not exist. LGBT people, on the other hand, are very real.

God is very real, and for your sake I hope you discover this one day. Have a great day.

LGBT has NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION. I know that's extremely hard for religious people to understand but it legit has nothing to do with religion. How can you even compare the two?

NupidStoob

LiquidPony wrote: »

NupidStoob wrote: »

Doesn't matter how cool the title sounds. It's simply not appropriate as you are slaying false gods.

You and the other three people who care can just not use the title, then.

Man that is such a good argument have you ever thought of joining a debate club? I could say the same *** about every bug post you made "don't like it don't use it hurr durr".

It's not appropriate as in not fitting. Has nothing to do with real life beliefs and I have no desire to bring any actual religion into this as some people seem to assume. False God Slayer would be more thematic and more fitting the lore we get with Elsweyr/Sunspire.

Personally I couldn't care less what it's called in the end. It's just an observation.

Prutton

Daus wrote: »

God is very real, and for your sake I hope you discover this one day. Have a great day.

You can believe in anything you want. However, we are not in bronze age anymore.

T3hasiangod

Daus wrote: »

Prutton wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

I appreciate the effort you've made for this, but I'm pretty confident ZOS isn't as concerned about the religious community as they are about the homosexual/transgender community. It would be nice to be proven wrong though.

I made a thread about looking for a Christian community in ESO a couple years back and it got shut down for bringing real world religion into the forums, but you see LGBT guild recruitment/celebrations all the time. It would be nice if the partiality wasn't so obvious.

But hey, kudos for your efforts bud!

God does not exist. LGBT people, on the other hand, are very real.

God is very real, and for your sake I hope you discover this one day. Have a great day.

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TPishek

Please put Godslayer title in the crown store so us with disabilities can also be heathens.

Zacuel

Daus wrote: »

Prutton wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

I appreciate the effort you've made for this, but I'm pretty confident ZOS isn't as concerned about the religious community as they are about the homosexual/transgender community. It would be nice to be proven wrong though.

I made a thread about looking for a Christian community in ESO a couple years back and it got shut down for bringing real world religion into the forums, but you see LGBT guild recruitment/celebrations all the time. It would be nice if the partiality wasn't so obvious.

But hey, kudos for your efforts bud!

God does not exist. LGBT people, on the other hand, are very real.

God is very real, and for your sake I hope you discover this one day. Have a great day.

I feel your pain. I keep saying the same thing about Bigfoot and I keep getting ridiculed about it.

It's tough when nobody can take your beliefs seriously because there's no "proof".

tmbrinks

edit: nvm... forgot about forum rules... shouldn't have said anything.

Strider__Roshin

T3hasiangod wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Prutton wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

I appreciate the effort you've made for this, but I'm pretty confident ZOS isn't as concerned about the religious community as they are about the homosexual/transgender community. It would be nice to be proven wrong though.

I made a thread about looking for a Christian community in ESO a couple years back and it got shut down for bringing real world religion into the forums, but you see LGBT guild recruitment/celebrations all the time. It would be nice if the partiality wasn't so obvious.

But hey, kudos for your efforts bud!

God does not exist. LGBT people, on the other hand, are very real.

God is very real, and for your sake I hope you discover this one day. Have a great day.

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If you would like to have that conversation we can, but not on the forums. Rules, and all.

Prutton

Daus wrote: »

If you would like to have that conversation we can, but not on the forums. Rules, and all.

Sounds like mormons or Jehovah Witnesses saying "Do you have any time to hear the word of our father, God?"