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please make Volendrung against ball groups, not for ball groups
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i didnt saw it in action but some ppl are saying its going to be quite powerfull in way like emperor
my concern is - what stop ballgroups to use it and be even stronger ? what if 24 player ballgroup manage to kill player from other alliance, take it and use it ? emp cannot use it, but player with emp in group can.. this would make group even stronger, perhaps unkillable
there should be some kind of "negate" which negate friendly players in close vicinity (3m or 5m maybe) so player with volendrung cannot stack with other players
and also that weapon should be visible in same way as scroll on map
my concern is - what stop ballgroups to use it and be even stronger ? what if 24 player ballgroup manage to kill player from other alliance, take it and use it ? emp cannot use it, but player with emp in group can.. this would make group even stronger, perhaps unkillable
there should be some kind of "negate" which negate friendly players in close vicinity (3m or 5m maybe) so player with volendrung cannot stack with other players
and also that weapon should be visible in same way as scroll on map
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✭✭I think it should do Friendly Fire. That would make it more interesting IMO.Playing since beta...11 -
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✭its stolen daedric weapon.. ofc it SHOULD have disadvantage.. but i think that is just my wish2 -
DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's completely awful and won't work to advantage anyone but the bigger groups lol
look at that sicc damage bruhUnfortunate magicka warden main.
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✭dmg can still change.. im more concerned about that siege skill.. with ram and this gates of keep are going to be destroyed very fast0 -
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✭I like big fights for keep with a lot of meatbags and negates.. this is just weapon for PvD players0 -
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✭✭✭I like big fights for keep with a lot of meatbags and negates.. this is just weapon for PvD players
Well exactly, it's literally just a PvDoor weapon.
This is not going to "turn the tides", this just enables more PvDoor xDUnfortunate magicka warden main.
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✭yes.. thats why it should be visible anytime in map, so you cannot pvd with it.. im sure its just going to be ballgroup movable siege weapon5 -
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✭✭Even if it had 3,5 or even 10m AOE friendly damage ball groups will work around it by running right outside the area. Infact the more AOE disadvantage the weapon has the worst it will get for random zerglings. They dont have the same organized positioning as ball groups doEdited by Ankael07 on April 17, 2019 12:16AMIf you want me to reply to your comment type @Ankael07 in it.0 -
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✭✭✭yes.. thats why it should be visible anytime in map, so you cannot pvd with it.. im sure its just going to be ballgroup movable siege weapon
It is, there's an icon on the map that shows where it is....which is another reason why if anyone disadvantaged picks it up, it can easily be rolled by the dominant group and zerg and used for the purpose it wasn't even intended for looolUnfortunate magicka warden main.
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✭Even if it had 3,5 or even 10m AOE friendly damage ball groups will work around it by running right outside the area. Infact the more AOE disadvantage the weapon has the worst it will get for random zerglings because they dont have the same organized positioning
thats why i wrote some kind of negate not dmg.. ballgroups can easily outheal any dmg
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MrSinister213✭✭✭Pvdoor weapon exactly. I was really hoping this would add a new dimension to PvP and as well as be a way for the community to experience an emperor type feeling without having to give up their real life to grind emp. Not just disappointing, but the 4th and 5th skill are pvdoor skills, wow.
If anybody played/plays Fortnite their was a 2 week special Thanos skin buff you could pick up in the real world and was alot of fun. ZOS PvP staff should look into something like that, PvP oriented because I think Cyrodil is a PvP zone, last time I chekcked.
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J18696✭✭✭✭✭The weapon itself atm is garbage meh dmg displays on map like a scroll the holder has no healing skills and can't mount it gives you a set amount of stats roughly 40k each and lowers your weapon dmg to 1500 when I had it from 4k before I had itEdited by J18696 on April 17, 2019 1:12AM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »
Yeah, I feel like people are forgetting that this is only the start and the intended tk add more weapons like this. This one clearly seems intendes for siege busting. Future weapons will probably have different strengths.0 -
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xAk_MoRRoWiNdx✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »
Wtf did I just watch? Does the artifact DAMAGE KEEP DOORS!?!New to forums and stuff so I 99.9 percent probably won't see your response and such, so use the at symbol at me I guess? IDK :/. This BBCode stuff is really cool!! :D.
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✭✭✭xAk_MoRRoWiNdx wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »
Wtf did I just watch? Does the artifact DAMAGE KEEP DOORS!?!
All it's good for is PvDooring lolUnfortunate magicka warden main.
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✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »
But why not just remove all the doors / walls?
Some ball group will pick that weapon up and then just flip a new keep every 5 minutes after 10 seconds of sieging. So the biggest time consuming factor will not be the sieging but the riding from keep A to keep B. And since they are a ball group killing people left, right, and center they will be able to sustain that weapon indefinitely.
The weapon definitely needs a strong debuff / negative effect to counter it's huge impact on sieging.1 -
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✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »
But why not just remove all the doors / walls?
Some ball group will pick that weapon up and then just flip a new keep every 5 minutes after 10 seconds of sieging. So the biggest time consuming factor will not be the sieging but the riding from keep A to keep B. And since they are a ball group killing people left, right, and center they will be able to sustain that weapon indefinitely.
The weapon definitely needs a strong debuff / negative effect to counter it's huge impact on sieging.
Exactly - it's just a PvDoor weapon lmaoUnfortunate magicka warden main.
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✭✭✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »It's completely awful and won't work to advantage anyone but the bigger groups lol
look at that sicc damage bruh
Yeah. Pretty sick. At that rate killing the NPC might take 3 minutes...
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Jthomas56✭✭✭Hypothetical situation:
Opposing faction has emperor, and a friendly ball group picks up the hammer and is able to take emp away in less than 15 minutes.
Sounds like a good counter to emp.
It also could be a good way to take back scrolls from enemies.
I like the PvD aspect when it’s used by a faction that’s getting rolled over, but I can see where there might be a problem with the emp’s Team also holding the weapon. But by the looks of it it could use a damage buff against players and npc’s
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Maybe if when the weapon spawns the team with the fewest points in the campaign could be notified exactly where the weapon spawns, and the second place team notified 5 mins later. This might help keep the weapon out of the emperor’s group, and help the losing faction get some points to make the campaign competitive.0 -
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✭✭✭Hypothetical situation:
Opposing faction has emperor, and a friendly ball group picks up the hammer and is able to take emp away in less than 15 minutes.
Sounds like a good counter to emp.
It also could be a good way to take back scrolls from enemies.
I like the PvD aspect when it’s used by a faction that’s getting rolled over, but I can see where there might be a problem with the emp’s Team also holding the weapon. But by the looks of it it could use a damage buff against players and npc’s
** I’m unable to play on PTS (console)**
Maybe if when the weapon spawns the team with the fewest points in the campaign could be notified exactly where the weapon spawns, and the second place team notified 5 mins later. This might help keep the weapon out of the emperor’s group, and help the losing faction get some points to make the campaign competitive.
It's not even just about "the emp's team". The weapon is so weak that by the time the disadvantaged faction even manages to get to a keep with it, the dominant faction or group will roll the wielder over and take it and then PvDoor with it and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
This weapon is an advantage to the zergs, not the disadvantaged alliance.
Your suggestion though might be nice if they alerted teams in intervals, allowing the underdog to have the weapon at least briefly. Because as it stands now it won't be hard to just roll over to it with your zerg, take it easily, and then use it to PvDoor the map.Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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✭✭The weapon isn't weak if you use it properly... still slightly better than no weapon at all imo.
There is also a spawn for the weapon behind the gates of the factions, if it spawns there the strong side will need to pvdoor their way to the temple in order to even get it... so they won't be using it to pvdoor after that haha.
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✭✭✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »The weapon isn't weak if you use it properly... still slightly better than no weapon at all imo.
There is also a spawn for the weapon behind the gates of the factions, if it spawns there the strong side will need to pvdoor their way to the temple in order to even get it... so they won't be using it to pvdoor after that haha.
Also, the more organized and co-ordinated a group of players are the more successful they are going to be... doesn't matter what changes you make to the weapon, that will continue to be the case...
Obviously more coordinated groups are stronger, but with how Volendrung is currently you won't be able to do anything at all about them going after the weapon. The wielder is a sitting duck, and hits significantly less than even an average PvP build; you will not be able to fight back with it in its current state.
Sure, it spawns behind the gate as well, so the disadvantaged faction just needs to sit there and...let it despawn? Because moving it just means you're handing it over, anyways.
It's weak, you're arguing something that isn't even an opinion. The damage is awful on it. It only PvDoors successfully.Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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✭✭MrSinister213 wrote: »Pvdoor weapon exactly. I was really hoping this would add a new dimension to PvP and as well as be a way for the community to experience an emperor type feeling without having to give up their real life to grind emp. Not just disappointing, but the 4th and 5th skill are pvdoor skills, wow.DisgracefulMind wrote: »Exactly - it's just a PvDoor weapon lmao
Just a pvdoor weapon? Nothing else?
In the past when no AD guilds online, and i'm ungrouped, I might play the role of zone chat commander and lead them to victory... a weapon that gives major brutality to all those AD players, help flag the keep faster and kill some people is pretty useful imo...
I think it is good for helping your faction attack a keep full of defenders, not just empty ones.
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✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »It's weak, you're arguing something that isn't even an opinion. The damage is awful on it. It only PvDoors successfully.
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✭✭✭✭✭What worries me the most is not power that this weapon gives. It is the fact that ZOS is giving ball groups another "McGuffin".
If you played cyro you probably have seen it countless times - when a ball group grabs an Elder Scroll and instead of bringing it back home, they use it as a decoy to farm random players. It will be no different with new deadric artifacts. Unless of course ZOS will make some restrictcion like:
- You cant pick it up while groped
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- It deals dmg to you but also to your group etc.
Yes, ikr - there is no ideal solution. But man... Every time ZOS wants to do something that will work against ball groups, it only makes those group stronger.
I realy think that the only way ball groups can be stopped is by making some form of disadvantage when grouped vs playing solo. Idk what it could be, but right now there is no such a thing.0 -
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Ok so on the left is the tooltips of a dps builds, on the right is tooltips of the volendrung.
You have a gapcloser, aoe stun, single target skill, snare removal, and aoe ultimate, all of which hits harder than abilities of the normal dps build, similar numbers to an emperor actually.
The ability's are all free which means you can spend 40,000 stamina on spamming dodge roll or holding block.
When you kill someone, you get a 26-30k damage shield depending on cp, and heal for 8400... so you can probs gapclose to a squishy opponent and use them to keep yourself alive.
On top of this, none of this requires you to have dps sets... You can use bloodspawn, malubeth or troll king+ argonian and spam lingering health pots every 20s. Full heavy armor. You then use 2 5 set pieces that either min max health regen with health regen drink, or you wear 2 5 piece sets that heal you or place a damage shield on yourself, which stacks with the volendrung damage shield, Durok + Fasalla is another alternative if you have a pocket healer.NA | PC | Aldmeri DominionLaser Eyes AR 26 Arcanist | Stalker V AR 41 Warden | I Stalker I AR 42 NB | Stalkersaurus AR 31 Templar | Stalker Ill AR 31 Sorc | Nigel the Great of BlackwaterFormer Emperor x11 campaign cyclesVenatus Officer | RIP RÁGE | YouTube Channel0 -
Merlight✭✭✭✭✭This Volendrung thing seems to be pretty good in dispersing any remaining doubts about the quality of the current pvp design team.DisgracefulMind wrote: »
Didn't they say 30 seconds on stream?
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