Volendrung and why it needs some changes.

Ryanoxx · April 2019

I like the idea of bringing something new into PvP and I tried the weapon both in the quest and openworld. The problem with the weapon is that it has no healing. If there is no chance to heal with the artifact the one using it has no chance to survive in a real pvp szenario.

TimeDazzler · April 2019

Just saw the video you posted, it's ok to post it on the forums. For anyone who hasn't seen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_xMQPY8aas

Just like I commented, the weapon was designed to solo kill groups but has no self-heal, so you need to be in a group to use it... ZOS logic. RIP to anyone who wanted to solo with it. It will end up in the hands of the very ball groups it was designed to purge.

Universe · April 2019

Actually there is a powerful healing overtime.
You need to apply buffs and take some serious damage.
Also, if you inflict damage you receive 26K damage shield.
If you kill an enemy, the shield is renewed(to maximum shield).

WeylandLabs · April 2019

If there is a hot - how does it scale or is it base ?

Same with the damage scaled or base, also does sets proc.

Are you constantly in combat while having the weapon ? Thus being able to change builds for scaling purposes.

I surely have a lot more questions, but we will see if this gains traction.

There are a lot of testing that needs to be answered but nobody is uploading it or posting it. It's not supposed to be balanced I get that, but where supposed to have an idea of the mechanics of it for zerg and emp zerg killing ideas. That sounds insane just typing that, but would be super funzess. 😂

I thank you @Ryanoxx for bringing this into the light. 👍

TimeDazzler · April 2019

Also, the weapon needs to have snare/root immunity not just removal. Ball groups are gonna constantly root/snare spam anyone using it, and they will just keep casting the remove ability and just be rooted again lol.

Taleof2Cities · April 2019

Cries wrote: »

Also, the weapon needs to have snare/root immunity not just removal. Ball groups are gonna constantly root/snare spam anyone using it, and they will just keep casting the remove ability and just be rooted again lol.

Ball groups do this already ... don’t they?

WeylandLabs · April 2019

@Cries I agree 2 ice wardens and and 2 bombard spammers with 2 single target timing with a stun could easily kill this.

Espeacially if soul assault or other ranged abilities didn't count as ranged and there not pulled in during ult phase.

Ajax_22 · April 2019

Cries wrote: »

Also, the weapon needs to have snare/root immunity not just removal. Ball groups are gonna constantly root/snare spam anyone using it, and they will just keep casting the remove ability and just be rooted again lol.

All snare removal applies immunity.

Alucardo · April 2019

Troll King, Alessian Order, The Steed, Artaeum takeaway broth. Who needs healing.

Universe · April 2019

Alucardo wrote: »

Troll King, Alessian Order, The Steed, Artaeum takeaway broth. Who needs healing.

There is plenty of healing as I posted above^.
A major healing over time.

TimeDazzler · April 2019

Hi all, hate to be a party pooper but I recommend we post our feedback in the official thread:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/468632/pts-update-22-feedback-thread-for-artifact-weapons

Anyron · April 2019

Im worried this weapon is going to give another powerfull dmg source to ball groups.. there should be constant dmg to other nerby players or 5m negate which negates friendly players, so players cannot stack with it ..
i think pvp is going to be mess with this weapon
Also player with weapon should be visible on map in same way as scroll carrier

ssewallb14_ESO · April 2019

That ultimate with Vicious Death tho

DisgracefulMind · April 2019

IT'S TERRIBLE LOL

Ryanoxx · April 2019

Universe wrote: »

Actually there is a powerful healing overtime.
You need to apply buffs and take some serious damage.
Also, if you inflict damage you receive 26K damage shield.
If you kill an enemy, the shield is renewed(to maximum shield).

I had and have fought the weapon in Cyrodiil and the heal isnt as strong. The damage shield is decent but the time its down and you get pressured there is nothing that keeps you alive. Before you kill an enemy player with this you're dead. The dmg apart from the ultimate isnt a lot higher than a good stambuild. There is no build up pressure its like someone is spamming surprise attack only, which isn't hard to counter. The ultimate deals some serious AoE and pulls enemies to you which is really strong but without a pockethealer you won't be able to fight a group with this. The Swing is fun tho and useful to destroy keep walls really fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_xMQPY8aas&lc=z234zfsjmobktfdr304t1aokgpus2foftqbwbhdjkid2rk0h00410
I know I didnt talk about everything, its just a quick showcase. My molten whip tip is higher than the spammable of Volendrung but thats another thing.

Davadin · April 2019

Ryanoxx wrote: »

Universe wrote: »

Actually there is a powerful healing overtime.
You need to apply buffs and take some serious damage.
Also, if you inflict damage you receive 26K damage shield.
If you kill an enemy, the shield is renewed(to maximum shield).

I had and have fought the weapon in Cyrodiil and the heal isnt as strong. The damage shield is decent but the time its down and you get pressured there is nothing that keeps you alive. Before you kill an enemy player with this you're dead. The dmg apart from the ultimate isnt a lot higher than a good stambuild. There is no build up pressure its like someone is spamming surprise attack only, which isn't hard to counter. The ultimate deals some serious AoE and pulls enemies to you which is really strong but without a pockethealer you won't be able to fight a group with this. The Swing is fun tho and useful to destroy keep walls really fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_xMQPY8aas&lc=z234zfsjmobktfdr304t1aokgpus2foftqbwbhdjkid2rk0h00410
I know I didnt talk about everything, its just a quick showcase. My molten whip tip is higher than the spammable of Volendrung but thats another thing.

what kind of stambuild is not that far from Volendrung?

also, it's the range and stun/knockback that really the thing with this weapon, right?

and ur molten whip is higher than volundrung??? how?

last but not least, if u got killed when using it, anybody can pick it up???

Ryanoxx · April 2019

Davadin wrote: »

Ryanoxx wrote: »

Universe wrote: »

Actually there is a powerful healing overtime.
You need to apply buffs and take some serious damage.
Also, if you inflict damage you receive 26K damage shield.
If you kill an enemy, the shield is renewed(to maximum shield).

I had and have fought the weapon in Cyrodiil and the heal isnt as strong. The damage shield is decent but the time its down and you get pressured there is nothing that keeps you alive. Before you kill an enemy player with this you're dead. The dmg apart from the ultimate isnt a lot higher than a good stambuild. There is no build up pressure its like someone is spamming surprise attack only, which isn't hard to counter. The ultimate deals some serious AoE and pulls enemies to you which is really strong but without a pockethealer you won't be able to fight a group with this. The Swing is fun tho and useful to destroy keep walls really fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_xMQPY8aas&lc=z234zfsjmobktfdr304t1aokgpus2foftqbwbhdjkid2rk0h00410
I know I didnt talk about everything, its just a quick showcase. My molten whip tip is higher than the spammable of Volendrung but thats another thing.

what kind of stambuild is not that far from Volendrung?

also, it's the range and stun/knockback that really the thing with this weapon, right?

and ur molten whip is higher than volundrung??? how?

last but not least, if u got killed when using it, anybody can pick it up???

Well you can reach 10k unbufft on your spammable, its not hard but you have stuff like dots that increase your pressure which is missing with volendrung. The ultimate is really strong though.

My Molten Whip tool is higher because its damage can be increase by 99% resulting in around the same damage as ultimates like Leap.

If the player using Volendrung dies anyone can pick it up.

"also, it's the range and stun/knockback that really the thing with this weapon, right?"
I think you want to say that the strong part about the weapon is the knockback and stun range but even though its range is pretty good for a meele weapon you cant survive without a Healer by your side which makes it pretty useless if you're not zerging.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the weapon is bad in general... it's missing an active healing ability. The ultimate is really strong.