Only 2 new motifs?

Nemesis7884

...For Elsweyr (+ conversion). Seems light compared to Summerset? I thought i read somewhere 4 new motif names?

Aetherderius

Frostvault goblin and Meridian are also set to be dropping from their respective dungeons.

Nemesis7884

Aetherderius wrote: »

Frostvault goblin and Meridian are also set to be dropping from their respective dungeons.

Sure...they arent "new" tough....

Ertosi

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Aetherderius wrote: »

Frostvault goblin and Meridian are also set to be dropping from their respective dungeons.

Sure...they arent "new" tough....

First time dropping and only freshly datamined today == new

kratier

dont worry they have 5 crown motifs to buy, cause ha ha, paid expansions what are those

Nemesis7884

Ertosi wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Aetherderius wrote: »

Frostvault goblin and Meridian are also set to be dropping from their respective dungeons.

Sure...they arent "new" tough....

First time dropping and only freshly datamined today == new

It was clear for a long time that they were coming, what r u talking about....summerset had 4 + conversion brand spanking new

Faulgor

Morrowind
Morag Tong
Ashlander
Buoyant Armiger
Militant Ordinator
+ Hlaalu
+ Redoran
+ Telvanni

Summerset
Psijic
Sapiarch
Pyandonean
+ Welkynar

Elsweyr
Anequina
+ Pellitine (only coming some time after launch)

Speaks for itself.

Ertosi

Faulgor wrote: »

Morrowind
Morag Tong
Ashlander
Buoyant Armiger
Militant Ordinator
+ Hlaalu
+ Redoran
+ Telvanni

Summerset
Psijic
Sapiarch
Pyandonean
+ Welkynar

Elsweyr
Anequina
+ Pellitine (only coming some time after launch)

Speaks for itself.

Now that's a very insightful way of putting it. Thanks for listing them all.

That actually fits the overall pattern of diminishing new content added each year that I've been saying elsewhere. Expand my signature if you want specific details and comparisons.

NupidStoob

Welkynar came way later as well so there is a high chance Sunspire will get one.

Edaphon

NupidStoob wrote: »

Welkynar came way later as well so there is a high chance Sunspire will get one.

Yeah, the Sunspire motif has already been datamined.

Still one less than Summerset and 4 less than Morrowind.

Ertosi

Edaphon wrote: »

Still one less than Summerset and 4 less than Morrowind.

Looking at the old patch notes, it's actually 3 less than Summerset and 2 less than Morrowind.

To correct the list higher up in the thread, Summerset brought Pyandonean, Psijic, Sapiarch, Fang Lair, and Scalecaller. Welkynar came later with Wolfhunter.

Morrowind brought Ashlander, Buoyant Arminger, Morag Tong, Militant Ordinator.
Horns of the Reach later brought Hlaalu, Redoran, and Telvanni.

Source - Previous Patch Notes:

Morrowind
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/335600/pts-patch-notes-v3-0-0
New Motifs: Ashlander, Buoyant Arminger, Morag Tong, Militant Ordinator

Horns of the Reach
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/365904/pc-mac-patch-notes-v3-1-5-horns-of-the-reach
New Motifs: Hlaalu, Redoran, and Telvanni

Summerset
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/413283/pc-mac-patch-notes-v4-0-5-summerset-update-18
New Motifs: Pyandonean, Psijic, Sapiarch, Fang Lair, Scalecaller

Wolfhunter
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/424230/pts-patch-notes-v4-1-0
New Motif: Welkynar

Faulgor

Ertosi wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

Still one less than Summerset and 4 less than Morrowind.

Looking at the old patch notes, it's actually 3 less than Summerset and 2 less than Morrowind.

To correct the list higher up in the thread, Summerset brought Pyandonean, Psijic, Sapiarch, Fang Lair, and Scalecaller. Welkynar came later with Wolfhunter.

Morrowind brought Ashlander, Buoyant Arminger, Morag Tong, Militant Ordinator.
Horns of the Reach later brought Hlaalu, Redoran, and Telvanni.

Source - Previous Patch Notes:

Morrowind
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/335600/pts-patch-notes-v3-0-0
New Motifs: Ashlander, Buoyant Arminger, Morag Tong, Militant Ordinator

Horns of the Reach
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/365904/pc-mac-patch-notes-v3-1-5-horns-of-the-reach
New Motifs: Hlaalu, Redoran, and Telvanni

Summerset
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/413283/pc-mac-patch-notes-v4-0-5-summerset-update-18
New Motifs: Pyandonean, Psijic, Sapiarch, Fang Lair, Scalecaller

Wolfhunter
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/424230/pts-patch-notes-v4-1-0
New Motif: Welkynar

Fang Lair and Scalecaller are not part of the Summerset chapter, but the Dragonbones DLC.

Ertosi

Faulgor wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

Still one less than Summerset and 4 less than Morrowind.

Looking at the old patch notes, it's actually 3 less than Summerset and 2 less than Morrowind.

To correct the list higher up in the thread, Summerset brought Pyandonean, Psijic, Sapiarch, Fang Lair, and Scalecaller. Welkynar came later with Wolfhunter.

Morrowind brought Ashlander, Buoyant Arminger, Morag Tong, Militant Ordinator.
Horns of the Reach later brought Hlaalu, Redoran, and Telvanni.

Source - Previous Patch Notes:

Morrowind
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/335600/pts-patch-notes-v3-0-0
New Motifs: Ashlander, Buoyant Arminger, Morag Tong, Militant Ordinator

Horns of the Reach
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/365904/pc-mac-patch-notes-v3-1-5-horns-of-the-reach
New Motifs: Hlaalu, Redoran, and Telvanni

Summerset
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/413283/pc-mac-patch-notes-v4-0-5-summerset-update-18
New Motifs: Pyandonean, Psijic, Sapiarch, Fang Lair, Scalecaller

Wolfhunter
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/424230/pts-patch-notes-v4-1-0
New Motif: Welkynar

Fang Lair and Scalecaller are not part of the Summerset chapter, but the Dragonbones DLC.

Incorrect. Feel free to open up that spoiler section you quoted back labeled Source and click the links to read up on it. I was surprised as well but they were listed with Summerset's patch notes.

Ertosi

Alrighty, I finished digging through all of the past patch notes and have charted all of the motifs from the last few years. They are also sorted by quarter released as per when they were listed in each of the patch notes. This will give us a better comparison of how this year is doing:



Actually, this year's Q1 & Q2 is even-steven with last year's count. Both years are far behind 2017's first two quarters though.

Really, its going to come down to this year's last two quarters and how many motifs they might bring with them. They could easily catch up if they add a bunch at once like last year's final quarter.


Edit: inb4 anyone asks about the Honor Guard motif, it's listed in Wrathstone's patch notes but isn't set to drop until mid May. Still, it's part of this year's Q1 patch notes.

Updates:

Moved this posts updates to Spoiler tags to keep the post from getting too lengthy.

Updated the chart to remove Xivkyn from the Dragon Bones update (Q1 '18). It merely stated it changed their drop rate, not that they were added then. So that means no motifs were added with last years Q1 and that this year is even with last year for total motifs added so far.

Updated the chart to add the Dreadhorn and Bloodroot motifs. Despite dropping in the Q3 '17 dungeons, they weren't actually added to the game until that year's Q4. The addition of these two motifs puts 2019 and 2018 even further behind 2017 for total motifs added each year.

Edaphon

There's also the Second Legion motif on PTS, but so far only the medium armor and weapons. It will be available during the Midyear Mayhem event.

Faulgor

Ertosi wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

Still one less than Summerset and 4 less than Morrowind.

Looking at the old patch notes, it's actually 3 less than Summerset and 2 less than Morrowind.

To correct the list higher up in the thread, Summerset brought Pyandonean, Psijic, Sapiarch, Fang Lair, and Scalecaller. Welkynar came later with Wolfhunter.

Morrowind brought Ashlander, Buoyant Arminger, Morag Tong, Militant Ordinator.
Horns of the Reach later brought Hlaalu, Redoran, and Telvanni.

Source - Previous Patch Notes:

Morrowind
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/335600/pts-patch-notes-v3-0-0
New Motifs: Ashlander, Buoyant Arminger, Morag Tong, Militant Ordinator

Horns of the Reach
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/365904/pc-mac-patch-notes-v3-1-5-horns-of-the-reach
New Motifs: Hlaalu, Redoran, and Telvanni

Summerset
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/413283/pc-mac-patch-notes-v4-0-5-summerset-update-18
New Motifs: Pyandonean, Psijic, Sapiarch, Fang Lair, Scalecaller

Wolfhunter
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/424230/pts-patch-notes-v4-1-0
New Motif: Welkynar

Fang Lair and Scalecaller are not part of the Summerset chapter, but the Dragonbones DLC.

Incorrect. Feel free to open up that spoiler section you quoted back labeled Source and click the links to read up on it. I was surprised as well but they were listed with Summerset's patch notes.

Edit: The only motif added by Dragonbones was Xivkyn. Again, source = patch notes.

It's entirely irrelevant that they arrived at the same time. You have to buy Summerset to farm Psijic, Sapiarch, Pyandonean and Welkynar motifs, and you have to buy Dragonbones to farm Fang Lair and Scalecaller.
Talking about the content of a chapter only makes sense when we look at the chapter itself, not the updates other DLC or the base game received at the same time. I mean, we can talk about the amount of motifs released overall in a given timeframe, but that's entirely unconnected to chapters then, and we couldn't compare Elsweyr to Summerset or Morrowind in this way.

And Xivkyn has been in the game since Imperial City, not sure what it has to do with Dragonbones.

Ertosi

Edaphon wrote: »

There's also the Second Legion motif on PTS, but so far only the medium armor and weapons. It will be available during the Midyear Mayhem event.

Nice catch! Do you know which of the Patch Notes that one is listed on? Link them if you can.

Ertosi

Faulgor wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

Still one less than Summerset and 4 less than Morrowind.

Looking at the old patch notes, it's actually 3 less than Summerset and 2 less than Morrowind.

To correct the list higher up in the thread, Summerset brought Pyandonean, Psijic, Sapiarch, Fang Lair, and Scalecaller. Welkynar came later with Wolfhunter.

Morrowind brought Ashlander, Buoyant Arminger, Morag Tong, Militant Ordinator.
Horns of the Reach later brought Hlaalu, Redoran, and Telvanni.

Source - Previous Patch Notes:

Morrowind
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/335600/pts-patch-notes-v3-0-0
New Motifs: Ashlander, Buoyant Arminger, Morag Tong, Militant Ordinator

Horns of the Reach
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/365904/pc-mac-patch-notes-v3-1-5-horns-of-the-reach
New Motifs: Hlaalu, Redoran, and Telvanni

Summerset
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/413283/pc-mac-patch-notes-v4-0-5-summerset-update-18
New Motifs: Pyandonean, Psijic, Sapiarch, Fang Lair, Scalecaller

Wolfhunter
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/424230/pts-patch-notes-v4-1-0
New Motif: Welkynar

Fang Lair and Scalecaller are not part of the Summerset chapter, but the Dragonbones DLC.

Incorrect. Feel free to open up that spoiler section you quoted back labeled Source and click the links to read up on it. I was surprised as well but they were listed with Summerset's patch notes.

Edit: The only motif added by Dragonbones was Xivkyn. Again, source = patch notes.

It's entirely irrelevant that they arrived at the same time. You have to buy Summerset to farm Psijic, Sapiarch, Pyandonean and Welkynar motifs, and you have to buy Dragonbones to farm Fang Lair and Scalecaller.
Talking about the content of a chapter only makes sense when we look at the chapter itself, not the updates other DLC or the base game received at the same time. I mean, we can talk about the amount of motifs released overall in a given timeframe, but that's entirely unconnected to chapters then, and we couldn't compare Elsweyr to Summerset or Morrowind in this way.

And Xivkyn has been in the game since Imperial City, not sure what it has to do with Dragonbones.

Already updated the posts above. I misread the Dragon Bones patch notes; they merely changed the Xivkyn drop rate. So that means that no motifs were added by that patch.

When you're looking at when content was added to the game, you've got to look at the patch notes. Note that having their assets added is often different then when they were made available in-game. And yah, you might only be able to get Fang Lair and Scalecaller from farming the Dragon Bones dungeons, but they were not released with the Dragon Bones patch. They were released the following quarter.

Edaphon

Ertosi wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

There's also the Second Legion motif on PTS, but so far only the medium armor and weapons. It will be available during the Midyear Mayhem event.

Nice catch! Do you know which of the Patch Notes that one is listed on? Link them if you can.

I couldn't find anything in the patch notes.
It will probably get mentioned in one of the 5.0.x notes in 2 or 3 weeks, just like the event styles for the Jester and anniversary events during the Wrathstone testing.

Ertosi

Edaphon wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

There's also the Second Legion motif on PTS, but so far only the medium armor and weapons. It will be available during the Midyear Mayhem event.

Nice catch! Do you know which of the Patch Notes that one is listed on? Link them if you can.

I couldn't find anything in the patch notes.
It will probably get mentioned in one of the 5.0.x notes in 2 or 3 weeks, just like the event styles for the Jester and anniversary events during the Wrathstone testing.

Ah, just noticed that it's an Outfit Style and not a true motif. This thread is about true Motifs.

If we were to start including outfit styles, things would start getting much messier. Outfit styles are often incomplete, that is they don't always include every slot. Some are only composed of 1 single slot, like the legendary weapon ones. Also, all of the Motifs listed above are available in-game, while many outfit styles are partially or fully Crown Store purchases. Things would start to get messy fast including those... Like, is it fair to include Crown Store only ones? (I think not, but others might disagree) How would ones partially sold in the Crown Store and partially available in-game (like Cadwell's) be handled? Motifs are always a full set making them all even contributions to the game, so how would partial style sets be scaled for fair comparison? Far too many questions with only subjective answers.

Best we keep it on topic and only on Motifs. At least that way there's a simple, objective way of comparing them all.

reoskit

Edaphon wrote: »

There's also the Second Legion motif on PTS, but so far only the medium armor and weapons. It will be available during the Midyear Mayhem event.

Style page v motif.

sho_nuff

IMO, delayed content isn’t tied to what its release might coincide with. Fang Lair and Scalecaller are from Dragonbones DLC... their release was just delayed to maintain player interest in the DLC.

Ertosi

sho_nuff wrote: »

IMO, delayed content isn’t tied to what its release might coincide with. Fang Lair and Scalecaller are from Dragonbones DLC... their release was just delayed to maintain player interest in the DLC.

That was Faulgor's argument as well, so you're not alone and it sounds good at first, but it's a much more subjective way of looking at when content is added and has faults best to avoid.

Delayed content is common. Examples above include many Dungeons and Trial motifs, which are regularly added the following quarter. They simply don't exist until they are added to the game files, which usually coincides with the patch notes. And what happens when a motif is added as a drop much later then it's related zone? Would it be fair to back track and try to claim it's always been content of previous releases? No matter how you choose to answer such questions, the answers would be Subjective.

The Ra Gada motif is a great example for a motif added much later than the area in which it drops. It was added Q1 '17, but it was added as a Craglorn drop. By your logic, it is delayed content for Craglorn, therefore really came out in Patch 1 in 2014. Is this faulty logic more apparent when the gap between zone and motif release is bigger?

The Honor Guard motif is currently an interesting example of some of the problems that could come up. According to your preference of moving delayed content to when it's zone was released, it would be moved to Q4 '18, as it's going to be a drop in Blackrose Prison. Only it isn't set to start dropping until mid-May. To currently have it listed as Q4 '18 would be doubly confusing as it was neither created that quarter, nor released that quarter. When stuff is released, it goes through several phases of being added to the game. It's only once stuff was fully released long ago that we look back with the perspective of it being a quick and clean process.

Patch Notes are a solid and reliable source, so they are the most Objective way of sorting things.

Iccotak

@Edaphon
Where can we see the datamine for Sunspire motif?

Edaphon

Ertosi wrote: »

Ah, just noticed that it's an Outfit Style and not a true motif. This thread is about true Motifs.

Whoops, total rookie mistake.
Sorry about that.

Iccotak wrote: »

@Edaphon
Where can we see the datamine for Sunspire motif?

Here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/468695/data-mining-new-crown-store-items-from-5-0-0/p1

zaria

Faulgor wrote: »

Morrowind
Morag Tong
Ashlander
Buoyant Armiger
Militant Ordinator
+ Hlaalu
+ Redoran
+ Telvanni

Summerset
Psijic
Sapiarch
Pyandonean
+ Welkynar

Elsweyr
Anequina
+ Pellitine (only coming some time after launch)

Speaks for itself.

Its two motifs who can be earned in game Pellitine for Dragon Hunt dailies, and Anequina for Delve and World Boss dailies
Both will be available at launch, the trial motif will be added later.

Agreeing that Elsweyr is feature poor however.

Nemesis7884

zaria wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Morrowind
Morag Tong
Ashlander
Buoyant Armiger
Militant Ordinator
+ Hlaalu
+ Redoran
+ Telvanni

Summerset
Psijic
Sapiarch
Pyandonean
+ Welkynar

Elsweyr
Anequina
+ Pellitine (only coming some time after launch)

Speaks for itself.

Its two motifs who can be earned in game Pellitine for Dragon Hunt dailies, and Anequina for Delve and World Boss dailies
Both will be available at launch, the trial motif will be added later.

Agreeing that Elsweyr is feature poor however.

they probably thought they can make mroe money by brining more motifs or arm packs to the crown store ^^

Universe

Well, I have a Grand master crafter+many other motifs learned character but I do think there are already enough motifs.
New players will have to catch up, adding too many motifs won't be good.

Nemesis7884

Universe wrote: »

Well, I have a Grand master crafter+many other motifs learned character but I do think there are already enough motifs.
New players will have to catch up, adding too many motifs won't be good.

what a bunch of nonsense - thats like saying "too much content is bad"... everybody is free to choose what content to use or not use - no one HAS to collect all the motifs and i have NEVER heard an mmo dying out because of too much content or too much choice

Starlock

Universe wrote: »

Well, I have a Grand master crafter+many other motifs learned character but I do think there are already enough motifs.
New players will have to catch up, adding too many motifs won't be good.

I’m inclined to agree. An alternative would be to change how motif drops work. However, some of the events go a long way at helping players complete style collections so there have been marked improvents on this front.

Dalsinthus

Ertosi wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

IMO, delayed content isn’t tied to what its release might coincide with. Fang Lair and Scalecaller are from Dragonbones DLC... their release was just delayed to maintain player interest in the DLC.

That was Faulgor's argument as well, so you're not alone and it sounds good at first, but it's a much more subjective way of looking at when content is added and has faults best to avoid.

Isn't it a reasonable standard to look at achievements and which DLC, Chapter, or other category the motifs are linked to? That is an explicit categorization on the part of ZOS about which motif goes with which expansion.