I do not think the Nightblade Nerfs ( PVE wise ) are awful.

efster

NBs in PVE are not just damage dealers, and the nerf to NB tanks' survivability is absolutely and without question awful.

(And I promise you, every endgame NB tank (all.... 6 of us? ) knows very well that it's not ~*~ the ~*~ tank class. That we tank on a class that's not meta doesn't mean we should be kicked in the teeth every time a PVP NB farts at somebody.)

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

LiquidPony wrote: »

BlissfulDelusions wrote: »

Littlebluelizard wrote: »

PvE wise they arguably got buffed. Magblade in pvp just got gutted even more for no reason. Merciless heal is not the reliable heal they needed, especially because you have to be melee range to proc it, when magblade usually is played as ranged.

Buffed how? How exactly were they buffed? Please explain, because I am arguably stumped.

For stamblades, Relentless Focus duration was increased from 20s to 30s. You can probably get 5 bow procs per cast now.

The 5% Physical Resistance reduction on Surprise Attack is ... interesting. Not sure that's a buff but it might be a minor one.

Assuming you're a NB in a group with Combat Prayer, the Minor Berserk change doesn't matter. That's gonna be (yet another) nerf for nightblade specs in vAS and vCR though ... and vMA, obviously. Now NBs will just run Slimecraw in that stuff like everyone else.

The loss of Minor Endurance won't matter if you have a Warden healer in group or Circle of Protection.

All-in-all, not bad. Maybe a minor buff in some places and a minor nerf in others.

assuming healers know how to buff

Silver_Strider

efster wrote: »

NBs in PVE are not just damage dealers, and the nerf to NB tanks' survivability is absolutely and without question awful.

(And I promise you, every endgame NB tank (all.... 6 of us? ) knows very well that it's not ~*~ the ~*~ tank class. That we tank on a class that's not meta doesn't mean we should be kicked in the teeth every time a PVP NB farts at somebody.)

Make that 5 because I'm retiring my NB Tank. I wasn't expecting huge improvements for NB Tanks going into this patch but a nerf of this caliber coupled with all the other nerfs we've received, all for QoL improvements, such as Fear not causing enemies to run away, isn't going to cut it for me anymore.

Nerftheforums

actosh wrote: »

The Dark Cloak nerf is awful and just because of pvp. Duration doubled, healing halved, now more useless then arctic wind.
The bursty/dot attitude the skill got was rly okay and fittet in perfectly. Getting sick of nerfs being called out just for pvp, cause noone could say nb tank was too strong ^^

It was in pvp, just as magblade dd was in pve. Don't blame it on pvp players, that stupid. It's the *** idea of having pvp and pve balancing done together that is the fault of all of this

Kolzki

Nerftheforums wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

The Dark Cloak nerf is awful and just because of pvp. Duration doubled, healing halved, now more useless then arctic wind.
The bursty/dot attitude the skill got was rly okay and fittet in perfectly. Getting sick of nerfs being called out just for pvp, cause noone could say nb tank was too strong ^^

It was in pvp, just as magblade dd was in pve. Don't blame it on pvp players, that stupid. It's the *** idea of having pvp and pve balancing done together that is the fault of all of this

Similarly the snare reduction for frost blockade was absolutely necessary for pvp but it’s a nerf for non-dk pve tanks.

Nb tanks can now use fear without adds running everywhere, but the chain and lock playstayle isn’t possible with it so long as chaining grants cc immunity (not the case with immobilisation).

Iron_Blurr

I dont mind most changes but the Dark Cloak nerf is terrible. Wtf is a nightblade pve tank supposed to do with like 2k health per second??