This is why we need Faction Locks!

josh.lackey_ESO

Every faction is within 50 points of each other, on the last day of the campaign!

What the heck?! I want my faction to roll over the whole map in uncompetitive gameplay.

I want to gate both factions so badly that they log off and cyrodiil is dead. These faction hoppers are actually working to make sure the campaign stays competitive, and I HATE IT!

Balanced PvP where either faction could pull ahead even on the last day is the world all the faction cheeters and spias want. It's digusting. I want to dominate the 30 day campaing in the first week, so that it is DEAD for the other 3 weeks.

Beardimus

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

I want to dominate the 30 day campaign in the first week, so that it is DEAD for the other 3 weeks.

FYI this is exactly what AP boosters do now on the quiet campaigns because of no lock, and that's in the opening days, they blitz the map one way, then the other, top out two leaderboards crazy high and kill the action for the duration.

Neither way is perfect, at least there will be choice going forward. Regardless players should stick together against the crappy behaviour of a few rather than fighting / sarcastic posts.

Pro-lock players didn't bring about this change, the cheaters did. So rather than directing your angst about change and making out the 'cheet' and 'spai' jokes to belittle the situation that's very real, direct it against those that were up to no good. Or some other solutions to cut that behaviour rather than denial.

The problem is people don't seem to want to call out AP boosters....makes me feel more were doing it than we realised. Nor have i seen other suggestions to stop cheating via switching....thus ZOS have taken the only step they could - choice. Some locked, some not.

Enkil

Gratz on whatever you are so happy about in regards to your campaign but why does the title state “this is why we need faction locks.”

(Sarcasm doesn’t always translate without context to the broader community)

Most requesting a faction locked campaign do not play on Vivec, and did not ask for Vivec to be locked... we just want our own faction locked campaign to call home.

Drdeath20

Yeah i dont get your post.

Are we suppose to be thankful for the other players who make anytime spent in cyrodil for a month feel meaningless because they jump from fraction to fraction to try and keep the score artificially close?

ellahellabella

A close campaign is an exciting campaign!

Ackwalan

This month the score is a fluke. Normally at this point the leader is 3-5K ahead. You can't use a one time situation as an example.

idk

Enkil wrote: »

Gratz on whatever you are so happy about in regards to your campaign but why does the title state “this is why we need faction locks.”

(Sarcasm doesn’t always translate without context to the broader community)

Most requesting a faction locked campaign do not play on Vivec, and did not ask for Vivec to be locked... we just want our own faction locked campaign to call home.

Because OP does not have a clue what they are talking about.

They seem to think their faction is significantly stronger than the rest the only reason the score is close is because people swap side. That is absurd.

If they are being sarcastic it does not show up well.

VaranisArano

The score is that close because there are people who actually care about the campaign score. These are generally the faction loyalists and the players/guilds who swap to the underdog.

The average faction hopper who just wants to play with friends, just wants to find good fights, wants to make good AP, or wants to troll usually doesnt care that much about the competitiveness or lack thereof with the campaign score. Which is why those folks will hopefully find a good home on Shor, where they can play how they like and the campaign score resets every 7 days whether they care about it or not.

zyk

This is so absurd.

There are posters in this forum who talk about how little they care about campaign scores and faction loyalty and then go on to claim they're the heroes who keep campaigns close -- from their strategic location of some irrelevant resource tower.

Ahtu

Congratulations to all three alliances for making this campaign absolutely something to remember. The fights have been truly epic throughout the entire cycle right up to the end. No matter who wins, all three factions deserve credit for their respective efforts.

IxSTALKERxI

zyk wrote: »

This is so absurd.

There are posters in this forum who talk about how little they care about campaign scores and faction loyalty and then go on to claim they're the heroes who keep campaigns close -- from their strategic location of some irrelevant resource tower.

lol XD

enzoisadog

I actually love your sarcasm

WillhelmBlack

*Fraction

frozywozy

gave an Awesome for the sarcasm!

ellahellabella

Ackwalan wrote: »

This month the score is a fluke. Normally at this point the leader is 3-5K ahead. You can't use a one time situation as an example.

This is the second vivec campaign for pc na in a row where it has been a fight to the finish. Flukes don't happen for a close 30 day twice. The factions are just perfectly balanced right now is all.

Elong

zyk wrote: »

This is so absurd.

There are posters in this forum who talk about how little they care about campaign scores and faction loyalty and then go on to claim they're the heroes who keep campaigns close -- from their strategic location of some irrelevant resource tower.

The OP isn't saying faction swappers made the scores this close, the OP is saying that IN SPITE of faction swapping the campaign is extremely competitive, and that they have little impact on the score. It seemed a very simple and subtle message to me.

DisgracefulMind

zyk wrote: »

This is so absurd.

There are posters in this forum who talk about how little they care about campaign scores and faction loyalty and then go on to claim they're the heroes who keep campaigns close -- from their strategic location of some irrelevant resource tower.

Went right over your head, didn't it

Didgerion

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Every faction is within 50 points of each other, on the last day of the campaign!

What the heck?! I want my faction to roll over the whole map in uncompetitive gameplay.

I want to gate both factions so badly that they log off and cyrodiil is dead. These faction hoppers are actually working to make sure the campaign stays competitive, and I HATE IT!

Balanced PvP where either faction could pull ahead even on the last day is the world all the faction cheeters and spias want. It's digusting. I want to dominate the 30 day campaing in the first week, so that it is DEAD for the other 3 weeks.

All I see in your screen shot is a massive yellow zerg group pvdooring all the map. Lock it or not, pvdooring is not going anywhere unless you add strong zerg counters into the game.

forumsmurf

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

This is so absurd.

There are posters in this forum who talk about how little they care about campaign scores and faction loyalty and then go on to claim they're the heroes who keep campaigns close -- from their strategic location of some irrelevant resource tower.

Went right over your head, didn't it

Legit had me for a couple minutes because forum posters are usually single digit IQ and people who want faction lock are genuinely this autistic.

zyk

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Went right over your head, didn't it

I don't think so, but whatever gives you a lul, I guess.

Elong wrote: »

The OP isn't saying faction swappers made the scores this close, the OP is saying that IN SPITE of faction swapping the campaign is extremely competitive, and that they have little impact on the score. It seemed a very simple and subtle message to me.

I think it's pretty clear he's against a faction lock and suggests that multi-faction players keep the scores close. It's not actually very dry.

But regardless of the particular point the OP may have wanted to make, what I posted highlights a theme that I think has been common from players who genuinely don't care about factions.

I happen to think the way ZOS seems to be planning to implement locks will be an outrageous failure and therefore a bad idea, but many of the 'against' arguments are absurd.

Elong

zyk wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Went right over your head, didn't it

I don't think so, but whatever gives you a lul, I guess.

Elong wrote: »

The OP isn't saying faction swappers made the scores this close, the OP is saying that IN SPITE of faction swapping the campaign is extremely competitive, and that they have little impact on the score. It seemed a very simple and subtle message to me.

I think it's pretty clear he's against a faction lock and suggests that multi-faction players keep the scores close. It's not actually very dry.

But regardless of the particular point the OP may have wanted to make, what I posted highlights a theme that I think has been common from players who genuinely don't care about factions.

I happen to think the way ZOS seems to be planning to implement locks will be an outrageous failure and therefore a bad idea, but many of the 'against' arguments are absurd.

As I know the OP, I'm 100% positive you are wrong, again.

zyk

Elong wrote: »

As I know the OP, I'm 100% positive you are wrong, again.

/facepalm
Whatever their intent was, it doesn't change what they actually posted or my point.

If the OP's point was intended to be what you've posted, a close scoreboard is not necessarily reflective of a competitive campaign; each faction may have taken turns completely dominating. In the case of this particular campaign, I would say most hourly intervals did not feature competitive gameplay. At least not when I played, and certainly not after midnight eastern time.

Steelshiv

ellahellabella wrote: »

A close campaign is an exciting campaign!

The campaign score in vivec gives me anxiety.

Elong

zyk wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

As I know the OP, I'm 100% positive you are wrong, again.

/facepalm
Whatever their intent was, it doesn't change what they actually posted or my point.

If the OP's point was intended to be what you've posted, a close scoreboard is not necessarily reflective of a competitive campaign; each faction may have taken turns completely dominating. In the case of this particular campaign, I would say most hourly intervals did not feature competitive gameplay. At least not when I played, and certainly not after midnight eastern time.

You hardly play, this campaign has been competitive as it comes, through all time zones (I know because I moved to a time zone 12 hours different half way through the campaign), and your point wasn't missed it's just totally inaccurate.

Tommy_The_Gun

Alliance lock would not be needed if you would somehow got rid of:
- Zone "spies".
- Scroll recovery "trolls", saboteurs.
- Night / morning cap PvDoor that has a diciding factor when it comes to campaign scoring.
- 2v1 -ing losing faction & gate camping it.
- Playing for AP only.

I dont think you can achive that without faction lock.

zyk

Elong wrote: »

You hardly play, this campaign has been competitive as it comes, through all time zones (I know because I moved to a time zone 12 hours different half way through the campaign)

A common complaint the past two months has been AD pvdooring the map overnight eastern time. You don't have to be in Cyrodiil to see that when it happens.

It's true I'm not able to play as often as I like to, but when I am there's usually no point because the gameplay is pure crap for a variety of reasons -- which is also frequently discussed in the forums. But I'm glad you like it.

Mayrael

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Every faction is within 50 points of each other, on the last day of the campaign!

What the heck?! I want my faction to roll over the whole map in uncompetitive gameplay.

I want to gate both factions so badly that they log off and cyrodiil is dead. These faction hoppers are actually working to make sure the campaign stays competitive, and I HATE IT!

Balanced PvP where either faction could pull ahead even on the last day is the world all the faction cheeters and spias want. It's digusting. I want to dominate the 30 day campaing in the first week, so that it is DEAD for the other 3 weeks.

Mhm... That's why on PC EU without faction lock AD has won around 22/24 campaigns.

ellahellabella

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Alliance lock would not be needed if you would somehow got rid of:
- Zone "spies".
- Scroll recovery "trolls", saboteurs.
- Night / morning cap PvDoor that has a diciding factor when it comes to campaign scoring.
- 2v1 -ing losing faction & gate camping it.
- Playing for AP only.

I dont think you can achive that without faction lock.

We had all of those things when there was a lock last time so no. Faction lock won't stop any of that.

lostcloud

Well, it's not close now after being pumped by 3 bars of DC during the OCE prime time. But it is what it is after 5 years factions rise and fall gratz to DC on the win.

technohic

lostcloud wrote: »

Well, it's not close now after being pumped by 3 bars of DC during the OCE prime time. But it is what it is after 5 years factions rise and fall gratz to DC on the win.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the help we've got on DC had been faction swappers, and they have been here all month. First month I have ever had to wait in queue to get in DC outside of weekends and events. I think the bulk comes at the start of campaign when some groups actually chose which faction they are going to run and faction lock wont stop that. Then when some see that they're outnumbered, they follow to that faction. You just dont see as lopsided when its DC probably because theres plenty of AD and EP. Last month it was AD. When its EP, it gets very lopsided

I also had heard rumors of EU players that switch to NA and went DC giving us a big presence off peak.

Diundriel

same for pc eu sotha ep especially in 2017