Do not change wings!

Gorrest

Sanguinor2

Gorrest wrote: »

Wings Change being a buff depends on the Situation you are in, will most likely be a buff outnumbered but surely a nerf 1v1 consider your mind changed.

Gorrest

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Gorrest wrote: »

Wings Change being a buff depends on the Situation you are in, will most likely be a buff outnumbered but surely a nerf 1v1 consider your mind changed.

Buff in both situations, The only time it will be a nerf is when the your wings is fully used and the person only does heavy frag combos. However, if you recast wings before he does his combo, it wont reflect due to bugs. But reducing the damage by 50% for 6 seconds, you will get more reduction to damage than those 2 light attacks+ skill. The wing change will also make Meteor easy to deal with as it will reduce the damage by 50%.

This is because there 2 bugs with wings.
1. Poison Injection DoT will still apply through wings.
2. Recasting wings while wings is still active will not refresh the amount of projectiles. So if use wings and reflect 3 projectiles, and refresh wings again. You will only be able to reflect 1 projectile.

(Btw easiest way to kill a DK wing spammer is to use 3 light attacks when they wings and then do your combo). They can take the damage and only reflect the light attack, or refresh their wings resulting in only reflecting the light attack.

OwnerOfSuccuby

Minalan wrote: »

Hi, I'm an MDK and I feel entitled to be completely immune to ranged damage. Not only that, but they deserve it BACK!

If fixing wings why not to remove invis from NB, and not to make Sorcerers pet killable than ? Why i have to attack immortal pet that attacks me when i target sorc ? Fix this too than.

Baphomet

Great, now the uniformity will almost be complete.

A future update might as well be called One Tamriel One Class.

Savos_Saren

Gorrest wrote: »

I can’t wait to change that meme when NBs start taking damage from previously applied DOTs while cloaked.

Nowhere on the cloak tooltip does it say “become immune to DOTs while cloaked”. Ergo: bugged.

Aurielle

KingLogix wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

"curse, rune cage, and perfected ayslum weaves with infused oblivion..."

Thanks for telling us your mudcrab rotation... but what do you use for killing DKs?

We don’t often agree on much, but that was hilarious. GG.

None of those abilities listed are reflect able. Rinse > repeat > rune cage around 2nd curse pop > dawny at that time maybe. My comment was mainly to show that most of my damage dealing abilities are non reflectable and was not meant to be mirrored exactly. use the skills i listed, and be methodical... was going to type more, but I just realized I teaching the both of you how to play mag sorcc. yall are retarted...

LMAO, I know how to play magsorc. The combo you listed is worthless. Will kill potatoes and mudcrabs.

Blinkin8r

Better yet, take wings away from DK's, surprise attack and cloak away from nb, and give them to necromancer.

Ariades_swe

KingLogix wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

For all the mag NBs complaining that I am asking for to much how about we remove invis from cloak and just allow you to take 50% less damage from ranged abilities.

Give us burning embers & block cost reduction as well & you have a deal.

Ill trade burning embers, for spectral bow.. power lash > spectral. or spectral to soften targets before I fossilize.

Lol the local village idiot is found guys.

KingLogix

Aurielle wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

"curse, rune cage, and perfected ayslum weaves with infused oblivion..."

Thanks for telling us your mudcrab rotation... but what do you use for killing DKs?

We don’t often agree on much, but that was hilarious. GG.

None of those abilities listed are reflect able. Rinse > repeat > rune cage around 2nd curse pop > dawny at that time maybe. My comment was mainly to show that most of my damage dealing abilities are non reflectable and was not meant to be mirrored exactly. use the skills i listed, and be methodical... was going to type more, but I just realized I teaching the both of you how to play mag sorcc. yall are retarted...

LMAO, I know how to play magsorc. The combo you listed is worthless. Will kill potatoes and mudcrabs.

Yeahhhh, you just suck I cant help trash. You are telling me... there isnt a SINGLE rotation capable of killing a magdk? I think yoyou just need to l2p

Zavijah

Even if they do nerf wings. That's okay, because it then free's us up to further go after Sorc, and finally - take out NB Stealth.

If people think they will be immune to change after everything else is gone, it means they're not keeping their finger to the pulse of what the latest Great Hate will be - and I will enjoy witnessing the domino effect.

Sanguinor2

KingLogix wrote: »

Yeahhhh, you just suck I cant help trash. You are telling me... there isnt a SINGLE rotation capable of killing a magdk? I think yoyou just need to l2p

Remember that shields are nerfed into oblivion and pvp magsorc is dead, especially petsorc died a painful death and is incapable of dealing any Damage now while having no defense

Insco851

Zavijah wrote: »

Even if they do nerf wings. That's okay, because it then free's us up to further go after Sorc, and finally - take out NB Stealth.

If people think they will be immune to change after everything else is gone, it means they're not keeping their finger to the pulse of what the latest Great Hate will be - and I will enjoy witnessing the domino effect.

Lol removing stealth huh.

Right.

Currently playing a No-Cloak MNB but... I can’t see: “To better get in line with our original vision of cloak... we’ve decided to remove it completely” - coming to reality.

KingLogix

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

Yeahhhh, you just suck I cant help trash. You are telling me... there isnt a SINGLE rotation capable of killing a magdk? I think yoyou just need to l2p

Remember that shields are nerfed into oblivion and pvp magsorc is dead, especially petsorc died a painful death and is incapable of dealing any Damage now while having no defense

ohh yess, i forgot

KingLogix

Ariades_swe wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

For all the mag NBs complaining that I am asking for to much how about we remove invis from cloak and just allow you to take 50% less damage from ranged abilities.

Give us burning embers & block cost reduction as well & you have a deal.

Ill trade burning embers, for spectral bow.. power lash > spectral. or spectral to soften targets before I fossilize.

Lol the local village idiot is found guys.

local crying magnb is found. Mag nb kick and cry, but yet... there are more of them in pvp then mag dk o.o

Insco851

KingLogix wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

For all the mag NBs complaining that I am asking for to much how about we remove invis from cloak and just allow you to take 50% less damage from ranged abilities.

Give us burning embers & block cost reduction as well & you have a deal.

Ill trade burning embers, for spectral bow.. power lash > spectral. or spectral to soften targets before I fossilize.

Lol the local village idiot is found guys.

local crying magnb is found. Mag nb kick and cry, but yet... there are more of them in pvp then mag dk o.o

Where? Huh? Wut

thankyourat

KingLogix wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

For all the mag NBs complaining that I am asking for to much how about we remove invis from cloak and just allow you to take 50% less damage from ranged abilities.

Give us burning embers & block cost reduction as well & you have a deal.

Ill trade burning embers, for spectral bow.. power lash > spectral. or spectral to soften targets before I fossilize.

Lol the local village idiot is found guys.

local crying magnb is found. Mag nb kick and cry, but yet... there are more of them in pvp then mag dk o.o

I think you meant to say PvE

Aurielle

KingLogix wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

"curse, rune cage, and perfected ayslum weaves with infused oblivion..."

Thanks for telling us your mudcrab rotation... but what do you use for killing DKs?

We don’t often agree on much, but that was hilarious. GG.

None of those abilities listed are reflect able. Rinse > repeat > rune cage around 2nd curse pop > dawny at that time maybe. My comment was mainly to show that most of my damage dealing abilities are non reflectable and was not meant to be mirrored exactly. use the skills i listed, and be methodical... was going to type more, but I just realized I teaching the both of you how to play mag sorcc. yall are retarted...

LMAO, I know how to play magsorc. The combo you listed is worthless. Will kill potatoes and mudcrabs.

Yeahhhh, you just suck I cant help trash. You are telling me... there isnt a SINGLE rotation capable of killing a magdk? I think yoyou just need to l2p

Sure, @KingLogix , I am “trash.” Some recent no-CP matches for you on my no-cheese, no-pet magsorc:

And just for good measure, my magblade healer:



You will start seeing more ranged magblades switching to heals in BGs once more people realize that they’re OP healers. Enjoy the impending cheese, if you cry hard enough about your wings.

Iskiab

Aurielle wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

"curse, rune cage, and perfected ayslum weaves with infused oblivion..."

Thanks for telling us your mudcrab rotation... but what do you use for killing DKs?

We don’t often agree on much, but that was hilarious. GG.

None of those abilities listed are reflect able. Rinse > repeat > rune cage around 2nd curse pop > dawny at that time maybe. My comment was mainly to show that most of my damage dealing abilities are non reflectable and was not meant to be mirrored exactly. use the skills i listed, and be methodical... was going to type more, but I just realized I teaching the both of you how to play mag sorcc. yall are retarted...

LMAO, I know how to play magsorc. The combo you listed is worthless. Will kill potatoes and mudcrabs.

Yeahhhh, you just suck I cant help trash. You are telling me... there isnt a SINGLE rotation capable of killing a magdk? I think yoyou just need to l2p

Sure, @KingLogix , I am “trash.” Some recent no-CP matches for you on my no-cheese, no-pet magsorc:

And just for good measure, my magblade healer:



You will start seeing more ranged magblades switching to heals in BGs once more people realize that they’re OP healers. Enjoy the impending cheese, if you cry hard enough about your wings.

Not OP! Just strong! All the classes are strong at healing if you build them right.

Aurielle

Iskiab wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

"curse, rune cage, and perfected ayslum weaves with infused oblivion..."

Thanks for telling us your mudcrab rotation... but what do you use for killing DKs?

We don’t often agree on much, but that was hilarious. GG.

None of those abilities listed are reflect able. Rinse > repeat > rune cage around 2nd curse pop > dawny at that time maybe. My comment was mainly to show that most of my damage dealing abilities are non reflectable and was not meant to be mirrored exactly. use the skills i listed, and be methodical... was going to type more, but I just realized I teaching the both of you how to play mag sorcc. yall are retarted...

LMAO, I know how to play magsorc. The combo you listed is worthless. Will kill potatoes and mudcrabs.

Yeahhhh, you just suck I cant help trash. You are telling me... there isnt a SINGLE rotation capable of killing a magdk? I think yoyou just need to l2p

Sure, @KingLogix , I am “trash.” Some recent no-CP matches for you on my no-cheese, no-pet magsorc:

And just for good measure, my magblade healer:



You will start seeing more ranged magblades switching to heals in BGs once more people realize that they’re OP healers. Enjoy the impending cheese, if you cry hard enough about your wings.

Not OP! Just strong! All the classes are strong at healing if you build them right.

I don’t think it’s a stretch to call NB healers OP. I used to play a Templar healer in BGs and found I had to go on the defensive WAY more often than I do on the NB. Also, NB healing is so much easier to sustain, thanks to Healthy Offering. I chain crit heals with that skill all the time; if I tried that with BoL/HtD, I’d be out of magicka pretty quickly. Furthermore, it’s possible to troll heal on NBs, which is a bit harder to do on temp/warden. I normally don’t use cloak unless I absolutely have to, but if there’s a known *** on one of the opposing teams, I will spam cloak while healing whichever teammate they’re trying to focus. All they catch is little glimpses of me, while my teammate’s health pops back up to 100% over and over again. Sometimes I’ll even hold off a little, to let them think they’ll get the kill, then hit Healthy Offering from stealth 2-3 times and throw out a fear just to enrage them them and farm hate tells.

I’d much rather be able to play ranged magNB, as I generally prefer to play DPS with a side helping of a bit of support on my back bar, but the sheer number of wings-spammers in BGs makes it non-viable. I’m glad there aren’t more NB healers around, as it would be pretty frustrating to deal with on a regular basis.

Iskiab

Well, I started magNB in pvp thinking I’d be a dps too. Thing is 3 months ago people said NB healers were garbage - I was made fun of for playing one in BGs so I started that guide. Especially since Health Offering was considered trash.

There are counters to the playstyle but people are not used to seeing the playstyle which is an advantage. I’m sure you could do the same thing with each class and people wouldn’t know what to do against you and do well. I’ve been eyeing a DK and Sorc healer for a while. Wings healer or healer with streak... sounds like it could be fun.

If you think cloak is OP imagine wings so people kill themselves attacking you or streak so you can be somewhere else fast.

ItsNebula

I dont think people are realizing that EVERY class should have another class that counters it, whether its a soft or hard counter. People act like EVERYONE plays a MagDK and they expect to win EVERY fight. Every succesful MMO (PvP wise) has classes/specs that counter another.
Wings are perfectly fine.. its been fine for the 4-5 years the games been out.

Iskiab

Well what are the counter classes then? I’m not on a crusade to have wings nerfed or anything I’m just curious, but if there’s a counter system in place then it should be easy to name them:

MagNB- DK counter
MagWarden - Melee
Werewolves - bow dps specs

What are the others? What’s magdk’s counter?

Sanguinor2

Iskiab wrote: »

Well what are the counter classes then? I’m not on a crusade to have wings nerfed or anything I’m just curious, but if there’s a counter system in place then it should be easy to name them:

MagNB- DK counter
MagWarden - Melee
Werewolves - bow dps specs

What are the others? What’s magdk’s counter?

Templar that cleanses all dots, can cleanse offbalance to avoid power lash even being avaiable and can use their own defenses against dks with total dark.

Insco851

Templar has always been the DK counter. Purge the dots and DK got nothin

50% mitigation wings is still a counter, but to more than just mnb (which has been the hardest of counters in the current form)

wheem_ESO

ItsNebula wrote: »

I dont think people are realizing that EVERY class should have another class that counters it, whether its a soft or hard counter. People act like EVERYONE plays a MagDK and they expect to win EVERY fight. Every succesful MMO (PvP wise) has classes/specs that counter another.
Wings are perfectly fine.. its been fine for the 4-5 years the games been out.

Disagree 100%.

I'd prefer for PvP to be as competitive as possible, not a series of, "I play X, and my opponent plays Y, therefore one of us basically gets a free win" encounters. Perfect balance isn't going to exist, so certain classes or builds having various advantages and disadvantages will be a thing, and that's fine; but hardcounters need to be done away with. And that's even more true when the hardcounters aren't as universal as you're making it sound.

Aurielle

wheem_ESO wrote: »

ItsNebula wrote: »

I dont think people are realizing that EVERY class should have another class that counters it, whether its a soft or hard counter. People act like EVERYONE plays a MagDK and they expect to win EVERY fight. Every succesful MMO (PvP wise) has classes/specs that counter another.
Wings are perfectly fine.. its been fine for the 4-5 years the games been out.

Disagree 100%.

I'd prefer for PvP to be as competitive as possible, not a series of, "I play X, and my opponent plays Y, therefore one of us basically gets a free win" encounters. Perfect balance isn't going to exist, so certain classes or builds having various advantages and disadvantages will be a thing, and that's fine; but hardcounters need to be done away with. And that's even more true when the hardcounters aren't as universal as you're making it sound.

This. Rock-paper-scissors has no place in a PVP game.

Betty_Booms

So what counters a warden bra.

Sanguinor2

Betty_Booms wrote: »

So what counters a warden bra.

Necro

wheem_ESO

Betty_Booms wrote: »

So what counters a warden bra.

Using roots, stuns/knockbacks/other CC, and proper movement in order to avoid their Shalks. It'll generally be quite a bit easier to do that to Magicka than it will be to Stamina, but if either one is making extensive use of Shimmering Shield I wouldn't be too hopeful of landing a solo kill with your Mag Sorc (using Torug's Pact cheese could be helpful though, I suppose).